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RitchQ
12-06-2006, 10:09 PM
I was wondering if anyone had a pattern I could get to make a headliner for my 53 truck. I have purchased the materials I want to use for the job and can wing it, but if someone has already made a pattern it sure would speed things up. I also need a pattern for the wall behind the seats and around the kick panels -- but again thats not my real need!!! :D

JDP
12-06-2006, 11:56 PM
Short of buying a new headliner kit from Studebaker International or borrowing one from someone to use as a pattern, I have no idea's.

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ST2DE5
12-07-2006, 12:11 PM
I bought the headliner kit from LOGA and it didn't take long to install on my 49 C-Cab

rockne10
12-07-2006, 09:30 PM
It's unfortunate you already bought the materials. Now you need to reinvent what Loga has available.[V]

DilloCrafter
12-07-2006, 10:31 PM
Maybe he just wants a pattern so he can do it in a material other than cardboard? I can understand that, as I was reluctant to buy a cardboard headliner, myself, even if it is like the original.

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Bill Elbert
12-09-2006, 07:42 AM
Ritch, THe headliner in my C Cab has the usual "droop", it is in good shape otherwise. I am going to pull it out and attach a couple of pieces of strap iron(1/8")to regain its original contour, when I do I could get an outline for you on wrapping paper. By the way what part of Texas are you in? I am 75 mile west of FT Worth.

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RitchQ
12-10-2006, 12:04 AM
Bill that would be great if you could trace a paper pattern for me while you have it out. I looked at all the headliners on-line and decided I coulc build my own for a fraction of the cost.
If you can trace it off I will come get it. I live in Double Oak. I'm about 25 miles north of Ft Worth. It would be great to see your truck and maybe get time to discuss our projects!!
Let me know if your able to trace it off. I will head over once you have it done.
Thanks,
Ritch

RitchQ
12-10-2006, 12:07 AM
Bill, my cell is 214-762-2300...or you can just post here.
Thanks,
Ritch

JDP
12-10-2006, 12:21 AM
The cardboard is easy enough to cut, it's the stitched edge trim that would be difficult.

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RitchQ
12-10-2006, 07:55 PM
I've decided to go in another direction from the standard cardboard headliner. I went to Lowes and ordered a 5 X 8 sheet of black Plas-Tex. They didn't have it in stock but could special order it. The white they stock is about $19.00 per sheet, the black was $23.00 plus about $12.00 shipping. I also bought 2, 8 foot 1/4 X 1 aluminum strips to make the frame. I also have enough of the Plas-Tex to line the area behind the seat so that's in the plan while I have the seats out. With the pattern that Bill has offered to draw off for me when he fixes his headliner I think I can cut and mount this panel with little problem. The Plas-Tex is so flexible and can be formed to make very tight turns. Its great to be able to cut it with shears and I will us pop rivets to mount it to the aluminum strips.
If I have any luck I will let you know--if not, then I will never mention is again...haha...

Bill Elbert
12-15-2006, 08:22 AM
Ritch, I pulled the headliner out of my 59 and will trace it for you on brown wrapping paper. It is in great condition just has the droops, I am going to attach some 1/8" strap iron to the top via some trim metal screws and reattach in cab. We have a family emergency and have to go to Ft Worth today, will call you on Sunday,
Bill Elbert

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RitchQ
12-23-2006, 11:21 AM
Bill, I just did a mapquest from my house to yours...its 112 miles. Any possibility you could mail those patterns to me? I would gladly pay postage since it would probably be cheaper than gas..haha..

Ritch

Bill Elbert
12-23-2006, 11:44 PM
Ritch, Sorry to be so late in getting back to you, it's the Christmas thing! We are going to be home Tuesday after Christmas Day and I will trace the headliners for you, already have them out and the brown wrapping paper laying by them.

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sntsftbll
12-25-2006, 01:07 AM
If they stock white, why did you order black? Is it a better product?
Looking to make some door panels and kick panels. Will the Plas-Tex accept adhesive to cover it in a vinyl or cloth?

DilloCrafter
12-25-2006, 11:00 AM
Hi sntsftbll,
I realize you are asking that question to anyone who actually has experience with Plas-tex. That's not me, though. But, I imagine it can be roughed up a little with sandpaper, and that a good quality contact cement can be used on it and the vinyl.

I did my kick panels in 1/8" (or 3/16", I can't remember) hardboard, and covered them with black vinyl. They should hold up better than the original cardboard ones, which I used as a pattern (what was left of them anyway).

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sntsftbll
12-25-2006, 01:49 PM
I was asking anyone who knows more than me, and that would be everyone. okay not my 12year old daughter who thinks she does. By hardboard I assume you are refering to masonite?

RitchQ
12-25-2006, 06:02 PM
No, there was no quality difference that I know of between black and white, I just wanted the black interior effect without having to paint the vinyl panels. Some of the LOWES didn't list it in black and didn't want to special order it for me. I did find one that would. I plan on using pop rivets to attach it to the inside struts on the cab where possible. I will use the alluminum strips for the headliner and pop rivet to those. This all sounds really easy / good -- in theory!!! Once I try it I may change my mind.....
Ritch

DilloCrafter
12-25-2006, 07:23 PM
sntsftbll (boy, that's hard to pronounce), yes the stuff once known as Masonite is what I'm referring to when I say "hardboard". That's the more common name nowadays, as I read that the company that coined the name "Masonite" is out of business. Good for that firewall area where the truck vents are, but not flexible at all for a headliner.

Ouch, I wouldn't do pop rivets, personally. They're semi-permanent, until you drill them out. You can still obtain the "tack strips" that are tacked in place, and then you can attach the Plas-tex with screws, just as you would attach the original style cardboard headliner.

If you want it a different color, without covering it with vinyl, I recommend the SEM paint system for prepping the plastic and their plastic/vinyl paint, which comes in a pretty good assortment of colors. I used it to paint a black plastic reproduction dash pad in my truck, and I used the Santa Fe color, which matched the truck's tan interior pretty closely. BTW, Lowe's has some colored screws in their specialty fastener drawers, and they go well with the dashpad. I'm tempted to buy more for both of the tan door panels, but that will get expensive (like everything else I'm doing to this truck - sigh):

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The SEM system consisted of spraying with #38353 (Plastic/Leather Prep), wiping with a clean cloth, then spraying with #38363 (Sand Free), which lightly melts the surface of the plastic. Then, while still wet, spray a light coat of the ColorCoat paint. More coats are applied later. It worked great, and I'm sure it will work on your Plas-tex.



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Anne F. Goodman
12-28-2006, 07:27 PM
I took pictures of Mr Biggs headliner for Casey so he could get hiss headliner installed. I thought these might help someone else out to so here they are.http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12030008.jpg
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DilloCrafter
12-29-2006, 12:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by Anne F. Goodman

I took pictures of Mr Biggs headliner for Casey so he could get hiss headliner installed. I thought these might help someone else out to so here they are
Biggsy, is that your truck's original headliner, or an install of a reproduction? In particular, I'm asking if the front edge is really supposed to be covered by the metal the way yours is. I had to guess on mine, since the original was long gone when I got the truck?

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RitchQ
12-29-2006, 02:48 PM
DilloCrafter, your correct about the pop rivet deal... my plan is to attach the plastex to an aluminum strip with the pop rivets after I have bowed the strips to match the contour of the cab ceiling. I can screw the strips in and take them out as needed. Again, all in theory here -- nothing actually tried / done yet.

Anne, thanks for those pix. It gives me an idea of what the original looked like and will help as I build these out.

Ritch

Bill Elbert
12-29-2006, 03:45 PM
Ritch, mailed the headliner pattern to you in a mail tube. I hope I labeled them correctly, worried about it after I sent it. Been on a couple of Stude adventures the last couple of days. Tell you about them later. Have a good New Year!


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Roscomacaw
12-29-2006, 04:47 PM
That's a replacement headliner. There wasn't a trace of the original when I got the truck. I'm not real happy with this one and the way if fits, but it's better than nuthin'. It's center joint got waffley over time (9years now!)what with the dampness of our fog season here and the intense heat of the summers.[}:)]
I'd love to see one of those fiberglass ones that Phantom sells. Anyone ever had a gander at one of those?[?]

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sntsftbll
12-30-2006, 10:25 PM
RitchQ I followed your lead with plas tex. I went to loews and bought the white to use as door panels. I am not going to be original, I am covering them in vinyl so color did not matter. I cut the first one out today it works well. Easy to cut, a planer works great to get straight lines. I might try it for my headliner also (if you post back that it worked for you) I see why you wanted to use it with the textured side out it would look very good.
Dillocrafter, its actually saints football with no vowels, I coach youth football just not very original with picking a name. You know stereotypical football guy.....

Dwain G.
12-31-2006, 12:00 AM
Supposedly all the 2R headliners from about mid-December 1948-on have a metal reinforcing strip sewn in. For the very early trucks without this strip the factory offered an external reinforcment that pressed up against the headliner and was held by a sheet metal screw front and rear.

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Transtar60
12-31-2006, 01:37 AM
Mr.Biggs have you seen these headliners from Roddoors??
http://www.roddoors.com/pages/hdlnr-dir.html#studestrk
http://www.roddoors.com/images/hdlnrs/hl-stude.jpg
Sooner or later I'd to try this in one of my c-cabs

3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28
4E2
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Roscomacaw
12-31-2006, 03:12 PM
Hey! Those are cool! Maybe I'll treat the ol' Transtar to one of those.:D

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RitchQ
12-31-2006, 08:56 PM
Thanks Bill. I will let you know when they arrive. In this small part of the world not many people have my last name so it will probably show up here..haha... and worse case at one of my son's house.:D

Be sure to let me know when your coming thru. I want to hear about your Stude Stories....

Ritch