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Roscomacaw
12-05-2006, 01:21 PM
Here ya go, Matthew. Frankly, I was sorry to behold this thing when I first laid eyes on it. I THINK it ended up like this because of some crash damage, but I can't recall with certainty now. If it was just something made to be cute, it was a waste of a good Provincial as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea what became of this thing. Again, I have a fuzzy notion that Leonard was trying to find a home for it back then. Heck, it might be sitting someplace moldering away. Maybe one of his daughters would know.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00022.JPG

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00021.JPG

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Mike Van Veghten
12-05-2006, 02:44 PM
Maybe they just wanted a 2dr. wagon...real bad.
They knew there was one within the 4dr they had on hand!

Mike

Mike Van Veghten
12-05-2006, 02:44 PM
Maybe they just wanted a 2dr. wagon...real bad.
They knew there was one within the 4dr they had on hand!

Mike

JBOYLE
12-05-2006, 02:50 PM
It reminds me of a fad in the early 70s (and maybe before)...
people were shrinking 55-57 Chevy wagons....I think even two doors/Nomads.

Can anyone confirm this or am I imaging the whole thing?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
12-05-2006, 02:50 PM
It reminds me of a fad in the early 70s (and maybe before)...
people were shrinking 55-57 Chevy wagons....I think even two doors/Nomads.

Can anyone confirm this or am I imaging the whole thing?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

studeclunker
12-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Now, I'm sure everyone knows how much I ha... I mean, love modifieds.[8)] Still, this one made me laugh. I really liked it.;) It would have looked better with the longer doors though.

I have to agree with you Mr. Biggs. Still, at least they did a really good job on it.:D What do you think they did on the frame? Maybe a Lark frame underneath?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-05-2006, 04:08 PM
Now, I'm sure everyone knows how much I ha... I mean, love modifieds.[8)] Still, this one made me laugh. I really liked it.;) It would have looked better with the longer doors though.

I have to agree with you Mr. Biggs. Still, at least they did a really good job on it.:D What do you think they did on the frame? Maybe a Lark frame underneath?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

bams50
12-05-2006, 04:28 PM
I'd love to see how that drives...

NOW I know what to do with my Provincial...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
12-05-2006, 04:28 PM
I'd love to see how that drives...

NOW I know what to do with my Provincial...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Roscomacaw
12-05-2006, 04:55 PM
I DO remember Leonard saying it was a bit "squirrely"[}:)] I also remember him saying it had at least once been a "clown car" where way more folks that it shoulda held kept pouring out the doors![:o)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-05-2006, 04:55 PM
I DO remember Leonard saying it was a bit "squirrely"[}:)] I also remember him saying it had at least once been a "clown car" where way more folks that it shoulda held kept pouring out the doors![:o)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

lstude
12-05-2006, 08:24 PM
I didn't think you could make a 58 more bizarre that it already is!

If I had a 58 Provincial and I saw this in my dream I would run screaming out to the garage to check on it![:0]:D

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
12-05-2006, 08:24 PM
I didn't think you could make a 58 more bizarre that it already is!

If I had a 58 Provincial and I saw this in my dream I would run screaming out to the garage to check on it![:0]:D

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

mbstude
12-06-2006, 07:22 AM
Thanks for the pics StudeBob. It sure is an odd looking ride.

It reminds me of this "Lark bred with a Hawk" (that's what Steven Cade referred to it as.[:o)]) This was the result of a Hawk with a wrecked rear end and a Lark with a wrecked front end.

http://bulletnose.org/galleries/2006_zone_meet/04.29.06_show_gal/images/IMG_0530.jpg

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-06-2006, 07:22 AM
Thanks for the pics StudeBob. It sure is an odd looking ride.

It reminds me of this "Lark bred with a Hawk" (that's what Steven Cade referred to it as.[:o)]) This was the result of a Hawk with a wrecked rear end and a Lark with a wrecked front end.

http://bulletnose.org/galleries/2006_zone_meet/04.29.06_show_gal/images/IMG_0530.jpg

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

CHAMP
12-06-2006, 08:05 AM
How about going the other way and making a stretched Limo out of it[?]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
12-06-2006, 08:05 AM
How about going the other way and making a stretched Limo out of it[?]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

mbstude
12-06-2006, 08:23 AM
quote:It reminds me of a fad in the early 70s (and maybe before)...
people were shrinking 55-57 Chevy wagons....I think even two doors/Nomads.

Can anyone confirm this or am I imaging the whole thing?

I saw one of those about a year or so ago. The '57 Chevies are tough to look at as they are. When one's all shortened up, it's unbearable! [:0]:D

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-06-2006, 08:23 AM
quote:It reminds me of a fad in the early 70s (and maybe before)...
people were shrinking 55-57 Chevy wagons....I think even two doors/Nomads.

Can anyone confirm this or am I imaging the whole thing?

I saw one of those about a year or so ago. The '57 Chevies are tough to look at as they are. When one's all shortened up, it's unbearable! [:0]:D

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

r1lark
12-06-2006, 11:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Here ya go, Matthew. Frankly, I was sorry to behold this thing when I first laid eyes on it. I THINK it ended up like this because of some crash damage, but I can't recall with certainty now. If it was just something made to be cute, it was a waste of a good Provincial as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea what became of this thing. Again, I have a fuzzy notion that Leonard was trying to find a home for it back then. Heck, it might be sitting someplace moldering away. Maybe one of his daughters would know.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00022.JPG

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00021.JPG

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!



Even tho I like '58 sedans, this one is slightly bizarre. However, painted one solid color instead of the accents, it would look much better IMHO.

There is actually some Studebaker precedent for a shortened wagon like this. In the late '50s (probably '58, but I am at work and don't have access to the info here) a Studebaker engineer proposed a small low-cost car called the 'Scotty' (probably a play on the 'Scotsman' name). The Scotty was basically a shortened wagon similar to this picture. A short proposal paper with a few line drawings was made up to show how this could be done.

The engineer who made this proposal had a presentation at one of the International Meets (South Bend in the late '80s maybe) where he discussed the proposal and provided a copy of his proposal paper. Very interesting. IIRC, there was an article in Turning Wheels a few years later. Seems like his name was Smith, but again I don't remember for sure. Do remember him saying that he figured the proposal was turned down at least in part because Churchill was planning on the Lark for '59. Interestingly, the Lark turned out to be a shortened sedan.......

If anyone wants to see the paper, I can dig it up this weekend, scan it, and post it on the Studebaker Racing Site.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

r1lark
12-06-2006, 11:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Here ya go, Matthew. Frankly, I was sorry to behold this thing when I first laid eyes on it. I THINK it ended up like this because of some crash damage, but I can't recall with certainty now. If it was just something made to be cute, it was a waste of a good Provincial as far as I'm concerned. I have no idea what became of this thing. Again, I have a fuzzy notion that Leonard was trying to find a home for it back then. Heck, it might be sitting someplace moldering away. Maybe one of his daughters would know.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00022.JPG

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/5/DSC00021.JPG

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!



Even tho I like '58 sedans, this one is slightly bizarre. However, painted one solid color instead of the accents, it would look much better IMHO.

There is actually some Studebaker precedent for a shortened wagon like this. In the late '50s (probably '58, but I am at work and don't have access to the info here) a Studebaker engineer proposed a small low-cost car called the 'Scotty' (probably a play on the 'Scotsman' name). The Scotty was basically a shortened wagon similar to this picture. A short proposal paper with a few line drawings was made up to show how this could be done.

The engineer who made this proposal had a presentation at one of the International Meets (South Bend in the late '80s maybe) where he discussed the proposal and provided a copy of his proposal paper. Very interesting. IIRC, there was an article in Turning Wheels a few years later. Seems like his name was Smith, but again I don't remember for sure. Do remember him saying that he figured the proposal was turned down at least in part because Churchill was planning on the Lark for '59. Interestingly, the Lark turned out to be a shortened sedan.......

If anyone wants to see the paper, I can dig it up this weekend, scan it, and post it on the Studebaker Racing Site.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

bams50
12-06-2006, 08:25 PM
Why not post it here?

I'd like to see this car in a lighter color, or 2-toned in lighter colors in a conventional style...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
12-06-2006, 08:25 PM
Why not post it here?

I'd like to see this car in a lighter color, or 2-toned in lighter colors in a conventional style...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

studegary
12-06-2006, 10:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Thanks for the pics StudeBob. It sure is an odd looking ride.

It reminds me of this "Lark bred with a Hawk" (that's what Steven Cade referred to it as.[:o)]) This was the result of a Hawk with a wrecked rear end and a Lark with a wrecked front end.

http://bulletnose.org/galleries/2006_zone_meet/04.29.06_show_gal/images/IMG_0530.jpg

___________________________________________
[b]
Matthew Burnette


That car has been known as the Hark. It was built in New York by Bob Oakes. He has driven it all over. The Hawk and Bob are both residing in Florida the last that I knew.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
12-06-2006, 10:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Thanks for the pics StudeBob. It sure is an odd looking ride.

It reminds me of this "Lark bred with a Hawk" (that's what Steven Cade referred to it as.[:o)]) This was the result of a Hawk with a wrecked rear end and a Lark with a wrecked front end.

http://bulletnose.org/galleries/2006_zone_meet/04.29.06_show_gal/images/IMG_0530.jpg

___________________________________________
[b]
Matthew Burnette


That car has been known as the Hark. It was built in New York by Bob Oakes. He has driven it all over. The Hawk and Bob are both residing in Florida the last that I knew.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

mbstude
12-07-2006, 07:26 AM
quote:That car has been known as the Hark. It was built in New York by Bob Oakes. He has driven it all over. The Hawk and Bob are both residing in Florida the last that I knew.


Yes, it's in Florida. I called it a hark one time, and the owner didn't seem to like that. he prefered 'Black Bird'. [8D]

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-07-2006, 07:26 AM
quote:That car has been known as the Hark. It was built in New York by Bob Oakes. He has driven it all over. The Hawk and Bob are both residing in Florida the last that I knew.


Yes, it's in Florida. I called it a hark one time, and the owner didn't seem to like that. he prefered 'Black Bird'. [8D]

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

StudeRich
12-09-2006, 08:43 PM
You could shave about 200 pounds of trim (junk) off of that '58 shortened Provincial wagon, and save some fuel and it would look a bunch BETTER! :( Also would help to put correct size tires on and get rid of all that added red trim paint![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
12-09-2006, 08:43 PM
You could shave about 200 pounds of trim (junk) off of that '58 shortened Provincial wagon, and save some fuel and it would look a bunch BETTER! :( Also would help to put correct size tires on and get rid of all that added red trim paint![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

r1lark
12-10-2006, 09:53 PM
As promised, here are the scans of the 'Scotty' concept paper, by Jack Smith, dated Oct 11, 1957. Hopefully these seven pages won't take too long to load<G>.
Paul
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%201.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%202.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%203.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%204.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%205.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%206.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%207.jpg

r1lark
12-10-2006, 09:53 PM
As promised, here are the scans of the 'Scotty' concept paper, by Jack Smith, dated Oct 11, 1957. Hopefully these seven pages won't take too long to load<G>.
Paul
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%201.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%202.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%203.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/Scotty%204.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%205.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%206.jpg
http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10041/normal_Scotty%207.jpg

r1lark
12-12-2006, 11:14 AM
A clarification of my earlier post......Jack Smith gave a presentation at the 1995 Dearborn SDC National Meet, and that is where I obtained the copy of the 'Scotty' paper posted above.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

r1lark
12-12-2006, 11:14 AM
A clarification of my earlier post......Jack Smith gave a presentation at the 1995 Dearborn SDC National Meet, and that is where I obtained the copy of the 'Scotty' paper posted above.

Paul

Visit The Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: http://hometown.aol.com/r1skytop/myhomepage/index.html

Roscomacaw
12-12-2006, 12:15 PM
Heh - just look at the rear of that thing. Look at the beltline moulding and the taillites. Someone had SOME inkling of what was going on with the soon-to-be Lark.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-12-2006, 12:15 PM
Heh - just look at the rear of that thing. Look at the beltline moulding and the taillites. Someone had SOME inkling of what was going on with the soon-to-be Lark.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/2006/12/7/truckonhill3.jpg

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
12-12-2006, 04:41 PM
Neat looking car. The exterior is beautiful in its own way. The back seat would have been miserable to ride in though. The Lark was much better designed. I'm glad to see that the Lark was the winner in this case. I don't think the 'Scotty' would have been as beloved as the Lark. Then again, with that back seat down, there's a lot of young people would have loved it in the sixties. Also, with three feet taken out of a Parkview or Scottsman and a 289 or even 259, this car would have been a screamer. More appeal to the young folk. It would have been a great transition car for '58.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-12-2006, 04:41 PM
Neat looking car. The exterior is beautiful in its own way. The back seat would have been miserable to ride in though. The Lark was much better designed. I'm glad to see that the Lark was the winner in this case. I don't think the 'Scotty' would have been as beloved as the Lark. Then again, with that back seat down, there's a lot of young people would have loved it in the sixties. Also, with three feet taken out of a Parkview or Scottsman and a 289 or even 259, this car would have been a screamer. More appeal to the young folk. It would have been a great transition car for '58.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith