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kmul221
12-03-2006, 08:09 AM
I imagine most of us have stories to tell of sellers who thought what they had was ultra rare & valuable leading to scrapped cars; because they were not living in the real world.Case in point I have two examples.
About 10yrs. ago there were three cars behind a barn that had been slated for demolition,they were two Canadian assembled Studebaker
64 convertibles and a 65 pillared coupe,all were condition 3-4 cars &
V/8's,complete & with numerous options.I offered the owner $500. per car as I knew I could make 1 possibly 2 nice cars from the vehicles.
No way,he wanted $5000. per car & that was final! I thought it was just me, but several other Stude lovers got the same answer.About 4yrs. later a new survey was being put in where the barn was & when the storm sewers were being back-filled all three of the cars were pushed in with the fill!
Finally about the same time period there was a lovely 55 Champion "C"
body sitting next to a derelict rural house.It was coral & black with the wide "Butterknife trim" auto,p/s,p/b radio,etc. & was a strong #3 car.I asked the elderly original owner if was interested in selling,he replied if he couldn't get $10,000. for it he was going to give it to his son to restore.Long story short;It sat there 5 years,slowly sinking into the ground & getting vandalized & in the end was scrapped.Sorry to be so long winded but incidents like this kind of bring a tear to my eyes.Anybody else have similar stories to tell?

lstude
12-03-2006, 08:31 AM
I think that anyone who is in the old car hobby has similar stories. I have lots of them myself, from a completely original 52 Champion hardtop that wasted away on a used car lot in Farmville, VA to a 50 Commander convertible in a junk yard near Wytheville, VA in the late 80s that the owner wanted $10,000.00 for. He showed me a magazine that said it was worth $50,000.00 in number one condition. Of course, with hardly any floors, it would probably take that much to make it a #1 car. The junk yard has been cleared, and I am sure the car has been crushed.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-03-2006, 08:31 AM
I think that anyone who is in the old car hobby has similar stories. I have lots of them myself, from a completely original 52 Champion hardtop that wasted away on a used car lot in Farmville, VA to a 50 Commander convertible in a junk yard near Wytheville, VA in the late 80s that the owner wanted $10,000.00 for. He showed me a magazine that said it was worth $50,000.00 in number one condition. Of course, with hardly any floors, it would probably take that much to make it a #1 car. The junk yard has been cleared, and I am sure the car has been crushed.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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hank63
12-03-2006, 09:35 AM
It's bad enough when nice cars go to waste due to delusions. It's even worse when it's due to bad luck.
4 years ago, I had a phone call from a bloke asking me if I was interested in a spare pre-select gear box for one of my cars. He knew of a NOS such box that somebody was trying to sell. I got a phone number and tried to call, no luck. Got through the next day, only to be told the box had gone to the scrap-metal crowd as nobody was interested. It was a spare part gear box in it's original "grease paper" in it's original wooden crate from 1950 !!!
My language got a bit crusty by then.
Fortunately, my old banger still runs OK, but it would have been just peachy with a new box.
/H

hank63
12-03-2006, 09:35 AM
It's bad enough when nice cars go to waste due to delusions. It's even worse when it's due to bad luck.
4 years ago, I had a phone call from a bloke asking me if I was interested in a spare pre-select gear box for one of my cars. He knew of a NOS such box that somebody was trying to sell. I got a phone number and tried to call, no luck. Got through the next day, only to be told the box had gone to the scrap-metal crowd as nobody was interested. It was a spare part gear box in it's original "grease paper" in it's original wooden crate from 1950 !!!
My language got a bit crusty by then.
Fortunately, my old banger still runs OK, but it would have been just peachy with a new box.
/H

lstude
12-03-2006, 12:46 PM
This is a famous photograph by W. Eugene Smith, but I added the comments at the bottom
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Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-03-2006, 12:46 PM
This is a famous photograph by W. Eugene Smith, but I added the comments at the bottom
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Dreamphrases.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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Dick Steinkamp
12-03-2006, 02:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude
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Classic! :D:D

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Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

Dick Steinkamp
12-03-2006, 02:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude
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Classic! :D:D

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Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

53k
12-03-2006, 03:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

I imagine most of us have stories to tell of sellers who thought what they had was ultra rare & valuable leading to scrapped cars; because they were not living in the real world....

One of the saddest and most disgusting incidents of this type occurred on Cumberland Island, Georgia. Some years ago the National Park Service took over the island which had been the kingdom of a number of very rich families. One of the estates had a large carriage house. The Park Service DROVE six or so cars out of the carriage house and parked them in a row along one of the sand roads. The newest car was a maroon '50 Commander convertible, automatic, full wheel covers, wide whites, etc. The others were 20s and 30s woodies (don't know the makes). The Cumberland Island visitor book shows the Commander in pristine shape, but when I saw it in '92 the top and seats were rotted away and the rear end was sunk in the ground. The woodies were just much worse.

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Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
12-03-2006, 03:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by kmul221

I imagine most of us have stories to tell of sellers who thought what they had was ultra rare & valuable leading to scrapped cars; because they were not living in the real world....

One of the saddest and most disgusting incidents of this type occurred on Cumberland Island, Georgia. Some years ago the National Park Service took over the island which had been the kingdom of a number of very rich families. One of the estates had a large carriage house. The Park Service DROVE six or so cars out of the carriage house and parked them in a row along one of the sand roads. The newest car was a maroon '50 Commander convertible, automatic, full wheel covers, wide whites, etc. The others were 20s and 30s woodies (don't know the makes). The Cumberland Island visitor book shows the Commander in pristine shape, but when I saw it in '92 the top and seats were rotted away and the rear end was sunk in the ground. The woodies were just much worse.

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

showbizkid
12-03-2006, 04:50 PM
One of my first objects of car lust was a TR3 that was in pieces under a lean-to over the fence from a greenhouse I worked at. I was 16; I wanted that car so bad I could taste it. I knew I could put it back together.

So I went over and asked the elderly lady who lived there if I could buy it from her. No, she said, it had been her husbands' and he was going to restore it before he died, and she couldn't bear to part with it. Over the next 3 summers I visited her numerous times and the answer was always the same. One day I came over and everything was gone - car, lean-to, brush. Her son had hired someone to come out with a bulldozer and a dump truck and scrape the property clean. :(


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
12-03-2006, 04:50 PM
One of my first objects of car lust was a TR3 that was in pieces under a lean-to over the fence from a greenhouse I worked at. I was 16; I wanted that car so bad I could taste it. I knew I could put it back together.

So I went over and asked the elderly lady who lived there if I could buy it from her. No, she said, it had been her husbands' and he was going to restore it before he died, and she couldn't bear to part with it. Over the next 3 summers I visited her numerous times and the answer was always the same. One day I came over and everything was gone - car, lean-to, brush. Her son had hired someone to come out with a bulldozer and a dump truck and scrape the property clean. :(


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

mbstude
12-03-2006, 04:57 PM
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Dreamphrases.jpg

Take the $100,000 and run. [:o)]

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-03-2006, 04:57 PM
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Take the $100,000 and run. [:o)]

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-03-2006, 05:00 PM
Mike, why didn't you save them??? It must be nice to live in a place where cars don't rust. Here in GA, ANY of those cars are like gold mines. RUST FREE!
Lots of rain and high humidity isn't the best place for preserving an old car. [V]

I'll add one of the greater losses in Georgia.
About 20 miles from here, there used to be a HUGE junk yard with cars ranging from the '20's to today. There were MANY Studes in that place. Quite a few of them have been restored and many parts have been salvaged. I have the Champion hood script from a 1941 model that was in there.
There were Studes ranging from a couple of '39 Champs to a '56J. My grandad bought the 56J engine and to remove it, the junkyard worker hooked a boom truck to the tail end, pickup it up, and literally shook the car until the engine fell out. [:0][}:)] The carb was slap full of dirt. [V]
I was rather young when I went there those few times, but can recall a lot of sweet cars. There was a '55 Prez State sedan that had caught fire and burned. (Well, not so sweet[xx(] -The rear bumper was on our '57 Hawk til just a few years back)
There were '47-'52s galore, with a few bullet noses with nice sheetmetal. One time we went, there was a '50 Champ two door sitting there upside down with its OD trans just there for the taking. :D As my grandad had everything loose but a cable, a fella walked up and said "Well, thanks for getting my trans out". As he had bought it earlier that day. [:I]

Anyways, the man that owned the place passed away and his kids brought in a crusher and smooshed everything. I wish my grandad had've bought all of the Studes, but he didn't.

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-03-2006, 05:00 PM
Mike, why didn't you save them??? It must be nice to live in a place where cars don't rust. Here in GA, ANY of those cars are like gold mines. RUST FREE!
Lots of rain and high humidity isn't the best place for preserving an old car. [V]

I'll add one of the greater losses in Georgia.
About 20 miles from here, there used to be a HUGE junk yard with cars ranging from the '20's to today. There were MANY Studes in that place. Quite a few of them have been restored and many parts have been salvaged. I have the Champion hood script from a 1941 model that was in there.
There were Studes ranging from a couple of '39 Champs to a '56J. My grandad bought the 56J engine and to remove it, the junkyard worker hooked a boom truck to the tail end, pickup it up, and literally shook the car until the engine fell out. [:0][}:)] The carb was slap full of dirt. [V]
I was rather young when I went there those few times, but can recall a lot of sweet cars. There was a '55 Prez State sedan that had caught fire and burned. (Well, not so sweet[xx(] -The rear bumper was on our '57 Hawk til just a few years back)
There were '47-'52s galore, with a few bullet noses with nice sheetmetal. One time we went, there was a '50 Champ two door sitting there upside down with its OD trans just there for the taking. :D As my grandad had everything loose but a cable, a fella walked up and said "Well, thanks for getting my trans out". As he had bought it earlier that day. [:I]

Anyways, the man that owned the place passed away and his kids brought in a crusher and smooshed everything. I wish my grandad had've bought all of the Studes, but he didn't.

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

JRoberts
12-03-2006, 05:19 PM
Many years ago a friend of mine was looking for a Studebaker. We found a '65 two door Daytona. Looking at the car we knew it had not run for a while, as there were two coils (not hooked up) lying under the hood, a screw driver proping the carb open, and a couple of flat tires. We spoke to a lady in the house nezt to where the car was setting and he said it was her daughter's car. We left a phone number and drove on home. Later the daughter called and told us that the car had been her fathers before it passed a way. Now this was about 15 years ago. She said she would sell the car but wanted $3500 for it. In the m eantime we had done some research and found that a good friend had sold her father many body parts for the car. It seems it had been hit broadside be a large truck. The result was that the car was, or should have been, totaled. Confronted with this information the daughter claimed that if she didn't get at least $3500 for the car she would let it rust away.....and she did (let it rust away that is.).
Joe Roberts

JRoberts
12-03-2006, 05:19 PM
Many years ago a friend of mine was looking for a Studebaker. We found a '65 two door Daytona. Looking at the car we knew it had not run for a while, as there were two coils (not hooked up) lying under the hood, a screw driver proping the carb open, and a couple of flat tires. We spoke to a lady in the house nezt to where the car was setting and he said it was her daughter's car. We left a phone number and drove on home. Later the daughter called and told us that the car had been her fathers before it passed a way. Now this was about 15 years ago. She said she would sell the car but wanted $3500 for it. In the m eantime we had done some research and found that a good friend had sold her father many body parts for the car. It seems it had been hit broadside be a large truck. The result was that the car was, or should have been, totaled. Confronted with this information the daughter claimed that if she didn't get at least $3500 for the car she would let it rust away.....and she did (let it rust away that is.).
Joe Roberts

studegary
12-03-2006, 07:00 PM
This reminds me of a friend that had a lot of interesting cars in nice condition. If he got tired of a car or gave up on the project, he would just use the entire car for landfill. Three examples;
1) 1941(?) Lincoln Continental convertible complete with running V12,
2) 1959(?) Imperial hardtop coupe - the one with a stainless steel roof panel,
3) 1956 Golden Hawk with overdrive.

I managed to buy his 1957 Golden Hawk, with overdrive, project.

The friend is now also landfill along with many of his cars. He died young, but at least he isn't destroying any more collector cars.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
12-03-2006, 07:00 PM
This reminds me of a friend that had a lot of interesting cars in nice condition. If he got tired of a car or gave up on the project, he would just use the entire car for landfill. Three examples;
1) 1941(?) Lincoln Continental convertible complete with running V12,
2) 1959(?) Imperial hardtop coupe - the one with a stainless steel roof panel,
3) 1956 Golden Hawk with overdrive.

I managed to buy his 1957 Golden Hawk, with overdrive, project.

The friend is now also landfill along with many of his cars. He died young, but at least he isn't destroying any more collector cars.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Roscomacaw
12-03-2006, 08:02 PM
While living in Georgia in the 70s, I followed a tip that took me to a very "rustic" home that was well off the beaten path. There was a 57 Commander with factory A/C, a decent 52 hardtop and two other Stude sedans, the type they were I've long forgotten.
The 57 I remember because I bought it and had to come back with a trailer to get it. The 52 I remember because I had been debating on whether or not I would make an offer for it when I went to retrieve the 57.
I get there to load the 57 and I asked if I could look at the 52 again. The rather rough-lookin' gent hesitated a moment before he said: "I guess you could look at it agin if'n ya really want to. You kin still see mos' of tha roof stickin' out of the dirt."[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
12-03-2006, 08:02 PM
While living in Georgia in the 70s, I followed a tip that took me to a very "rustic" home that was well off the beaten path. There was a 57 Commander with factory A/C, a decent 52 hardtop and two other Stude sedans, the type they were I've long forgotten.
The 57 I remember because I bought it and had to come back with a trailer to get it. The 52 I remember because I had been debating on whether or not I would make an offer for it when I went to retrieve the 57.
I get there to load the 57 and I asked if I could look at the 52 again. The rather rough-lookin' gent hesitated a moment before he said: "I guess you could look at it agin if'n ya really want to. You kin still see mos' of tha roof stickin' out of the dirt."[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

mbstude
12-03-2006, 08:16 PM
What happened to that '57 with AC Biggs? At a swap meet in west GA last year there was a rough '57 Commander sedan with trunk mounted AC. The car needed total restoration.

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
12-03-2006, 08:16 PM
What happened to that '57 with AC Biggs? At a swap meet in west GA last year there was a rough '57 Commander sedan with trunk mounted AC. The car needed total restoration.

___________________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

Transtar56
12-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Gary, you reminded me of a 59 Imperial hardtop that I tried to buy for years. It was parked because the brakes were toast and the owner kept telling me there was no way he'd ever sell that car. It was in very nice original condition with leather interior,stainless steel roof,and the big 413.
The next thing I knew the car was being driven by the village idiot,who somehow talked the old fella into parting with it.
He destroyed the car completely in about a year. He wrecked it completely when the police were chasing him. Thought he could outrun anything with it.

Transtar56
12-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Gary, you reminded me of a 59 Imperial hardtop that I tried to buy for years. It was parked because the brakes were toast and the owner kept telling me there was no way he'd ever sell that car. It was in very nice original condition with leather interior,stainless steel roof,and the big 413.
The next thing I knew the car was being driven by the village idiot,who somehow talked the old fella into parting with it.
He destroyed the car completely in about a year. He wrecked it completely when the police were chasing him. Thought he could outrun anything with it.

studeclunker
12-04-2006, 12:27 AM
There is a fellow in Redding that has a collection of cars ranging from the early thirties to the seventies. They're mostly Caddies, but there are a handful of Studes and a Packard or two in the front. He must have close to a thousand cars all told. The local urchins have had their fun with the majority in the larger collection, thankfully the Studes were spared. Still, he won't answer calls, won't return calls, and the cars are sitting out in that lot rusting away. They'll probably get crushed when he dies. The county of Shasta loves to do that...[V]

By the by, I've entered a thread on these cars some time ago, and the same appeared in TW around, oh, five or six months ago. Sorry, all my TWs are packed, so I'm not sure.

Well, since the plans for Charlotte are derailed, maybe I'll be able to hunt him down.

Found it, here's the link (just in case you're interested):

http://studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3692&SearchTerms=wasting+away



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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-04-2006, 12:27 AM
There is a fellow in Redding that has a collection of cars ranging from the early thirties to the seventies. They're mostly Caddies, but there are a handful of Studes and a Packard or two in the front. He must have close to a thousand cars all told. The local urchins have had their fun with the majority in the larger collection, thankfully the Studes were spared. Still, he won't answer calls, won't return calls, and the cars are sitting out in that lot rusting away. They'll probably get crushed when he dies. The county of Shasta loves to do that...[V]

By the by, I've entered a thread on these cars some time ago, and the same appeared in TW around, oh, five or six months ago. Sorry, all my TWs are packed, so I'm not sure.

Well, since the plans for Charlotte are derailed, maybe I'll be able to hunt him down.

Found it, here's the link (just in case you're interested):

http://studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3692&SearchTerms=wasting+away



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Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

Blue 15G
12-04-2006, 06:41 AM
Yes, we all have similar stories and they're all sad. Mine is finding a decent, restorable '55 President 2 door hardtop, red and black, with overdrive in a guy's back yard back in 1974. I talked to him, he let me look the car over, but said he would never sell it. He was the original owner. True to his word, it was still there in the same spot until approximately 1995, and by then it was half sunken into the ground, thoroughly rotted out. One day it was finally gone. He probably died and had himself buried in it.

Blue 15G
12-04-2006, 06:41 AM
Yes, we all have similar stories and they're all sad. Mine is finding a decent, restorable '55 President 2 door hardtop, red and black, with overdrive in a guy's back yard back in 1974. I talked to him, he let me look the car over, but said he would never sell it. He was the original owner. True to his word, it was still there in the same spot until approximately 1995, and by then it was half sunken into the ground, thoroughly rotted out. One day it was finally gone. He probably died and had himself buried in it.

55s
12-04-2006, 08:27 PM
I have to reply to this one.

In general, Studebaker owners are CHEAP. They want something for next to nothing.

I do have lots of neat stuff. I have given away stuff before, and sold stuff for a song. I have purchased reasonably too, but I will not haggle down any other Studebaker vendor. I believe we already have bargain basement prices.

To even store something for many years is a considerable cost. When you buy a part for your car, consider that someone has been storing it for 50 years!

Consider the gentleman who left a very nice 59 Hawk in my dad's barn for 15 years. Very little rent was ever collected, even though there was a signed agreement, and I guess the car could have been sold for storage, as is often the case. With considerable difficulty, the owner was located and the car was returned to him free of charges. He could not afford the back rent. But he was very happy to get his car back finally.

Anything is for sale, given an fair price - but I do mean fair.

55s - a Hoarder and proud of it.

55s
12-04-2006, 08:27 PM
I have to reply to this one.

In general, Studebaker owners are CHEAP. They want something for next to nothing.

I do have lots of neat stuff. I have given away stuff before, and sold stuff for a song. I have purchased reasonably too, but I will not haggle down any other Studebaker vendor. I believe we already have bargain basement prices.

To even store something for many years is a considerable cost. When you buy a part for your car, consider that someone has been storing it for 50 years!

Consider the gentleman who left a very nice 59 Hawk in my dad's barn for 15 years. Very little rent was ever collected, even though there was a signed agreement, and I guess the car could have been sold for storage, as is often the case. With considerable difficulty, the owner was located and the car was returned to him free of charges. He could not afford the back rent. But he was very happy to get his car back finally.

Anything is for sale, given an fair price - but I do mean fair.

55s - a Hoarder and proud of it.

John Kirchhoff
12-04-2006, 09:25 PM
Probably 20 years ago a pink '57 Packardbaker sedan set in front of a carpet store for a long while. The supercharger was gone, interior shot and it had the usual rust. I talked to the owner and offered him $200 and he took great offense, saying he could get that much for each taillight lens. Six months later I saw it at another Stude collector's and he said he got it for $50.

About the same time I found a sagging Champ in the weeds that was owned by an oil jobber. No need to tell you what the bed looked like after who knows how many 55 gallon oil drums had been dropped onto the bed. I offered him $250 but that wasn't nearly enough. A year or so later I found the same truck in a local junk yard and I know he never gave any more than $25 for a junker. He wanted $350 but unfortunately by that time, we owed money to 22 doctors and hospitals, so buying it was out of the question.

One's sense of pride sometimes gets in the way of business sense and common sense.

John Kirchhoff
12-04-2006, 09:25 PM
Probably 20 years ago a pink '57 Packardbaker sedan set in front of a carpet store for a long while. The supercharger was gone, interior shot and it had the usual rust. I talked to the owner and offered him $200 and he took great offense, saying he could get that much for each taillight lens. Six months later I saw it at another Stude collector's and he said he got it for $50.

About the same time I found a sagging Champ in the weeds that was owned by an oil jobber. No need to tell you what the bed looked like after who knows how many 55 gallon oil drums had been dropped onto the bed. I offered him $250 but that wasn't nearly enough. A year or so later I found the same truck in a local junk yard and I know he never gave any more than $25 for a junker. He wanted $350 but unfortunately by that time, we owed money to 22 doctors and hospitals, so buying it was out of the question.

One's sense of pride sometimes gets in the way of business sense and common sense.

JDP
12-05-2006, 06:45 PM
Here's a collection just waiting to be restored.:)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ39405QQihZ003QQitemZ130056072600QQrdZ1

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
12-05-2006, 06:45 PM
Here's a collection just waiting to be restored.:)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ39405QQihZ003QQitemZ130056072600QQrdZ1

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 GT hawk
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black)
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk (Black) #2
63 Avanti R1
63 Daytona convert
63 Lark 2 door
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
59 3E truck
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

Swifster
12-05-2006, 07:16 PM
The sad part there is that those cars could be parted, given the time, and probably return 4X that much. But for $10K, those are as good as scrap :(.

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

Swifster
12-05-2006, 07:16 PM
The sad part there is that those cars could be parted, given the time, and probably return 4X that much. But for $10K, those are as good as scrap :(.

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

lstude
12-05-2006, 07:38 PM
I went to an auction near Carlisle, PA a few years ago where a guy had died about 20 years ago leaving over 200 Studebakers. His kids just left them on the farm and the trees grew up around them, until the county made them get rid of them. Most of the cars went to a scrap dealer for $15.00 to $20.00 each. I bet they didn't get over $5,000.00 for the whole lot, except for a 1916 Studebaker that had been kept in the barn. I may have posted these pics before, so if you have seen them, I'm sorry.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/53StudebakersatCarlisleauction.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/55SpeedsteratCarlisleauction.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58PackardatCarlisleauction.jpg

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
12-05-2006, 07:38 PM
I went to an auction near Carlisle, PA a few years ago where a guy had died about 20 years ago leaving over 200 Studebakers. His kids just left them on the farm and the trees grew up around them, until the county made them get rid of them. Most of the cars went to a scrap dealer for $15.00 to $20.00 each. I bet they didn't get over $5,000.00 for the whole lot, except for a 1916 Studebaker that had been kept in the barn. I may have posted these pics before, so if you have seen them, I'm sorry.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/53StudebakersatCarlisleauction.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/55SpeedsteratCarlisleauction.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58PackardatCarlisleauction.jpg

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

PackardV8
12-08-2006, 12:50 PM
Yes, 55s, the CASO is a well-recognized fact, as is the human nature desire for a bargain. However, expecting owners to sell cheap to the first offer is not what this thread is discussing.

What all who love Studebakers abhor is watching the owner who is letting a vehicle deteriorate to the point of being past saving, while refusing all or reasonable offers.

While we recognize private property rights includes the right to refuse to sell and the right to destroy one's own property, common decency implies responsible stewardship of irreplaceable resources and artistic treasures.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

PackardV8
12-08-2006, 12:50 PM
Yes, 55s, the CASO is a well-recognized fact, as is the human nature desire for a bargain. However, expecting owners to sell cheap to the first offer is not what this thread is discussing.

What all who love Studebakers abhor is watching the owner who is letting a vehicle deteriorate to the point of being past saving, while refusing all or reasonable offers.

While we recognize private property rights includes the right to refuse to sell and the right to destroy one's own property, common decency implies responsible stewardship of irreplaceable resources and artistic treasures.

thnx, jv.

PackardV8

Anne F. Goodman
12-08-2006, 02:38 PM
We found this Packardhawk. Its been outside for the last 20years. The last person who had it died new owner 5 years ago. Gonna do something with it oneday. Do you know how much they sell for on ebay? These are the Answers you get. Anyhow thought I'd share pictures it was a 68 mile roundtrip in Mabel This morning.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080001.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080002.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080003.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080004.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080005.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080006.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080007.jpg
This is on Elm Ave South of Fresno
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080008.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080009.jpg

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Cahttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035

Anne F. Goodman
12-08-2006, 02:38 PM
We found this Packardhawk. Its been outside for the last 20years. The last person who had it died new owner 5 years ago. Gonna do something with it oneday. Do you know how much they sell for on ebay? These are the Answers you get. Anyhow thought I'd share pictures it was a 68 mile roundtrip in Mabel This morning.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080001.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080002.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080003.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080004.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080005.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080006.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080007.jpg
This is on Elm Ave South of Fresno
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080008.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/12080009.jpg

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Cahttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035

JBOYLE
12-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Too bad about the Packard. That BT-13 hull on the roof might be worth something to the right guy. Not too many left.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
12-08-2006, 03:26 PM
Too bad about the Packard. That BT-13 hull on the roof might be worth something to the right guy. Not too many left.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Anne F. Goodman
12-08-2006, 05:54 PM
The news on the Packard maybe isn't as bad as first thought. he is willing to sell I just don't know how much. Any body have any idea how much to bid on this Packard its supposed to be all there. Supercharger and all.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Cahttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035

Anne F. Goodman
12-08-2006, 05:54 PM
The news on the Packard maybe isn't as bad as first thought. he is willing to sell I just don't know how much. Any body have any idea how much to bid on this Packard its supposed to be all there. Supercharger and all.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion 4Dr.Regal
Gus 1958 Transtar
Fresno,Cahttp://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o269/nw3anne/Mabel.jpg?t=1165475035

41 Frank
12-08-2006, 06:16 PM
Anne my several year old Byers guide says $3360.00 for a number 5 car and it appears this car is a #5, complete , not running, not wrecked.

41 Frank
12-08-2006, 06:16 PM
Anne my several year old Byers guide says $3360.00 for a number 5 car and it appears this car is a #5, complete , not running, not wrecked.

studegary
12-10-2006, 01:37 PM
I was involved in turning a Packard Hawk that looked worse than that one into an International Senior First winner. Be ready for a lot of time and expense. The "complete" part is the most important. As far as the interior, it doesn't matter if the seats are nearly good or shot because you will just put a new leather interior kit in it either way. Those outside arm rests are what I see as the biggest challenge on this car.

This also gets the memory going to a complete, one owner, Packard Hawk, in much better shape than this one, that I passed on in 1961 for $375. Even I realize that those days are gone forever.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
12-10-2006, 01:37 PM
I was involved in turning a Packard Hawk that looked worse than that one into an International Senior First winner. Be ready for a lot of time and expense. The "complete" part is the most important. As far as the interior, it doesn't matter if the seats are nearly good or shot because you will just put a new leather interior kit in it either way. Those outside arm rests are what I see as the biggest challenge on this car.

This also gets the memory going to a complete, one owner, Packard Hawk, in much better shape than this one, that I passed on in 1961 for $375. Even I realize that those days are gone forever.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

kmul221
12-10-2006, 04:39 PM
There was a fellow now deceased who had a decent but shop-worn Packard Hawk.When I had mine; a car I found sitting in storage since 62 in Buffalo NY.This was about 86 & I thought I had a gotten a good deal.
He proceeded to tell me that he had been working at a new car dealership in 62 & a lady came in with a Packard-Hawk as a trade-in because the super-charger was chattering & she didn't want to fix it AGAIN !
The manager told her they didn't want the car even on trade & she would be better off trying to sell it private.The future owner(deceased)phoned the woman at home & offered her $250. for it & she agreed .His son now ownes it & it's still shop-worn but with minimal worl it could be a beauty

kmul221
12-10-2006, 04:39 PM
There was a fellow now deceased who had a decent but shop-worn Packard Hawk.When I had mine; a car I found sitting in storage since 62 in Buffalo NY.This was about 86 & I thought I had a gotten a good deal.
He proceeded to tell me that he had been working at a new car dealership in 62 & a lady came in with a Packard-Hawk as a trade-in because the super-charger was chattering & she didn't want to fix it AGAIN !
The manager told her they didn't want the car even on trade & she would be better off trying to sell it private.The future owner(deceased)phoned the woman at home & offered her $250. for it & she agreed .His son now ownes it & it's still shop-worn but with minimal worl it could be a beauty

55s
12-10-2006, 06:42 PM
Yes, I own that $250 Packard Hawk. However, that price was back in the 1970s whan nobody wanted any Studebaker. For a "shopworn" car, it somehow needed all chrome redone, replacement of the two front fenders, a whole repaint of the car, complete overhaul of the motor, including adding a supercharger, new brakes, new exhaust, and just about everything else. Everything was replaced or refinished except the leather upholstery. He also invested considerable money in barns to store it and others for many years. It is still a very nice car, and it was driven to Orillia for the Ontario Chapter Studebaker car show about three year ago. My dad did drive it to an International SDC event at least once. In conclusion, it currently is a beauty, much beyond "shopworn". I also have a twin, now in primer.

Sometimes time doesn't let me play as much as I would like to, but I fully intend to "play" with it this coming summer along with my other playmates. My dad had the foresight to purchase this car at a time when the market was non-existent. I suppose it could have been much better if all he bought all MOPAR products.

55s
12-10-2006, 06:42 PM
Yes, I own that $250 Packard Hawk. However, that price was back in the 1970s whan nobody wanted any Studebaker. For a "shopworn" car, it somehow needed all chrome redone, replacement of the two front fenders, a whole repaint of the car, complete overhaul of the motor, including adding a supercharger, new brakes, new exhaust, and just about everything else. Everything was replaced or refinished except the leather upholstery. He also invested considerable money in barns to store it and others for many years. It is still a very nice car, and it was driven to Orillia for the Ontario Chapter Studebaker car show about three year ago. My dad did drive it to an International SDC event at least once. In conclusion, it currently is a beauty, much beyond "shopworn". I also have a twin, now in primer.

Sometimes time doesn't let me play as much as I would like to, but I fully intend to "play" with it this coming summer along with my other playmates. My dad had the foresight to purchase this car at a time when the market was non-existent. I suppose it could have been much better if all he bought all MOPAR products.