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JDP
01-04-2009, 04:50 PM
I was about ready to fire up the project Avanti and was ready to add 5 gallons of fresh gas. I then noticed the filler neck was not attached to the tank, so out comes the backseat to get to the tank and attach it. Surprise !, no gas tank.[8]

JDP/Maryland

BobGlasscock
01-04-2009, 04:53 PM
thank you, thank you, thank you. :) Now I don't feel quite so silly. :D;)

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Anne F. Goodman
01-04-2009, 05:19 PM
LMAO That was great!!!!! Thank you for the Laugh:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Gus 1958 Transtar
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gordr
01-04-2009, 05:50 PM
That would have been an expensive fill-up, in more ways than one! Do you have a spare tank on hand?

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

PlainBrownR2
01-04-2009, 06:23 PM
Careful with that precious commodity there!! [:o)] From personal experience with lines and gas tank fixes, these situations can very quickly become a very expensive repair with all that fuel everywhere!! [:o)]

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jlmccuan
01-04-2009, 06:40 PM
JDP, I don't think even I have bought a used car with no gas tank. LOL Now I have a new item to add to the checklist.

Jim
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JDP
01-04-2009, 06:45 PM
No,I need to chase down a tank.

JDP/Maryland

BobGlasscock
01-04-2009, 08:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

No,I need to chase down a tank.

JDP/Maryland



Shouldn't be too hard to catch if it's OUTTA GAS!!! :D

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barnlark
01-04-2009, 08:19 PM
Is that tank shared with any other car?

N8N
01-04-2009, 08:21 PM
I'm guessing "no." Most Studebakers used a tank under the trunk floor, behind the rear axle - the Avanti tank was mounted behind the back seat, in front of a fiberglass bulkhead separating the trunk from the passenger compartment - looks sort of like an old Ford pickup gas tank but thicker. I guess the designers wanted a perfectly flat trunk floor so they mounted the spare tire where the gas tank would have gone for a Lark. It really does make the trunk more usable, FWIW...

nate

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JDP
01-04-2009, 08:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Is that tank shared with any other car?


Other Avanti's.:)

JDP/Maryland

nels
01-04-2009, 08:52 PM
You know GM bought an Avanti II way back when so they could crash test it. They were looking at putting the tank above the Axle as in the Avanti and wanted to see the effect.

sbca96
01-04-2009, 09:28 PM
They tend to leak when they get old, perhaps thats why they removed
this one, it was leaking ... now? Problem solved.;)

Tom

'63 Avanti, zinc plated drilled & slotted 03 Mustang Cobra 13" front disc/98 GT rear brakes, 03 Cobra 17" wheels, GM alt, 97 Z28 leather seats, soon: TKO 5-spd, Ported heads w/SST full flow valves, 'R3' 276 cam, Edelbrock AFB Carb, GM HEI distributor, 8.8mm plug wires

Retired
01-04-2009, 09:35 PM
Repros in stainless are available.See AOAI Magazine ad.

Richard

sbca96
01-04-2009, 09:43 PM
I would love to see a blow molded PLASTIC tank available. Stainless is
not exactly light, strapping that much weight up that high doesnt make
a whole lot of sense. They hurt the handling of the GTO when they put
the gas tank in the trunk here in the USA. In Australia its under the
trunk like the Hawk. Not only did they screw up the center of gravity,
they also took away half the trunk!![}:)]

Tom

nels
01-04-2009, 10:34 PM
Is this your turquoise 64?

PlainBrownR2
01-04-2009, 11:17 PM
quote:
You know GM bought an Avanti II way back when so they could crash test it. They were looking at putting the tank above the Axle as in the Avanti and wanted to see the effect.


Due to the Avanti's gravity fed system, I wonder if this occurred before or after they began employting the same system on the Corvette. They didn't nickname the '67 Corvette "The Torch" for nothing ya know... [}:)]

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gordr
01-04-2009, 11:28 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96

I would love to see a blow molded PLASTIC tank available. Stainless is
not exactly light, strapping that much weight up that high doesnt make
a whole lot of sense. They hurt the handling of the GTO when they put
the gas tank in the trunk here in the USA. In Australia its under the
trunk like the Hawk. Not only did they screw up the center of gravity,
they also took away half the trunk!![}:)]

Tom


Tom, the original Avanti tank has two baffles (IIRC), to keep fuel from sloshing from side to side while cornering. Kind of hard to incorporate baffles into a blow-molded tank, leastwise none of the blow-molded tanks I've seen have them.

The Avanti tank isn't that heavy; I doubt more than 5 or 10 pounds could be saved by going to molded plastic, which probably doesn't make much difference on the street. Moving the battery to the rear will gain you more balance, IMHO.

I wonder if the folks who build fuel cells for race cars could do one up in the form factor of an Avanti tank, and if such a thing would be affordable?

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

JDP
01-04-2009, 11:28 PM
I've had two Avanti's fill the oil pan with gasoline from a bad fuel pump. One, I only found out by trying to start it and blowing it out the breather. It could have easily blown up.

JDP/Maryland

nels
01-04-2009, 11:43 PM
I've had that same problem. The car ran but oil pressure was low. Checked the oil and it was way, way up on the stick. Probably three gallons of gas and 5 qts of oil.

53k
01-05-2009, 09:36 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I've had two Avanti's fill the oil pan with gasoline from a bad fuel pump. One, I only found out by trying to start it and blowing it out the breather. It could have easily blown up.

Never had it happen on a Studebaker Avanti, but my '76 Avanti fuel pump dumped the entire tank on my two-car garage floor. Just inside the door from the garage was the gas water heater and the gas furnace...[:0]...

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

53k
01-05-2009, 09:40 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I was about ready to fire up the project Avanti and was ready to add 5 gallons of fresh gas. I then noticed the filler neck was not attached to the tank, so out comes the backseat to get to the tank and attach it. Surprise !, no gas tank.[8]

I seem to remember that when that man in Cleveland (?) called me about the car he said the gas tank was out of it. That was part of what discouraged me from checking out the car (he also forgot to tell me it was a true '64 supercharged four-speed[V]).
Either the seller didn't give the tank to Lee or Lee still has it.

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

barnlark
01-05-2009, 10:11 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

[quote]Originally posted by barnlark

Is that tank shared with any other car?


Other Avanti's.:)

Sorry, I've never seen one. There were many saved tanks of varying sizes at that farm of parts I helped with, so I thought I'd ask.

JDP
01-05-2009, 10:56 AM
It looks like no other Studebaker gas tank, basically a long box about as high as it is deep.

JDP/Maryland

Roscomacaw
01-05-2009, 11:48 AM
Just go to Wally World and get one of them red 5 gallon gas cans.[V] A proper ID piece of filler hose with a shop rag for a cap and the fuel return line into the vent cap nipple![B)] Oh... wait... no place for the pick-up line.[xx(]

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1963 Cruiser
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

JDP
01-05-2009, 01:03 PM
Good news, Lee the guy that I sold and bought back the Avanti from is shipping a tank to me. He's not sure if he got it with the car, but it's the right tank. I sold the car without seeing it five year ago.

JDP/Maryland

sbca96
01-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Before you put the tank in, send it off to the pressure tested.

I would consider an aluminum tank as a replacement.;)

Tom

barnlark
01-05-2009, 10:15 PM
[quote]Originally posted by JDP

It looks like no other Studebaker gas tank, basically a long box about as high as it is deep.

A happy ending, good. [^] There was one that looked like my old bobtail bronco gas tank at that farm, so I was going to check. Sorry for the uneducated Avanti question. I knew they shared the same X frame with my car and I have an extra tank for mine. Always live and learn something new here.

JDP
01-05-2009, 10:28 PM
Well, went to start it today after hooking up the exhaust and found a dead fuel pump. I'll try again the A.M.

JDP/Maryland

Stude8
01-06-2009, 12:48 AM
Why wouldn't you want all the weight you can get over the rear wheels in an Avanti?

When we built Ron Hall's Bonneville Avanti the rule book said you had to have mufflers but didn't say they had to be hooked up so we filled them with lead wheel balance weights to add to traction. Two 125lb ballast mufflers help a lot on the wet salt at the 5 mile marker.
Stude8

1928 Commander GB

sbca96
01-06-2009, 03:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by Stude8

Why wouldn't you want all the weight you can get over the rear wheels in an Avanti?

When we built Ron Hall's Bonneville Avanti the rule book said you had to have mufflers but didn't say they had to be hooked up so we filled them with lead

Because some people like to go around corners, not just in a straight
line at ungodly speeds. The more weight there is, and the higher up
it is, the more the car will lean, the thicker sway bars you need, and
the wider the tires. Lowering the weight, and LOWERING the weight is
the best way to improve without having to dump tons of cash.;)

Tom

JDP
01-06-2009, 05:32 PM
Installed the rebuilt pump, and started up the Avanti after over 30 years, found a leaky expansion tank and ordered a rebuilt one. "Nothing more expensive then a cheap Avanti.", but hoping to have a "driveway driver" for under 6K in the car.

JDP/Maryland

Desert Explorer
01-06-2009, 05:36 PM
Shes Alive! I know that feeling. Many congratulations on this step in the process. Sometimes the rewards are the big reason to keep going.

sbca96
01-07-2009, 02:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP
started up the Avanti after over 30 years, found a leaky expansion tank and ordered a rebuilt one. "Nothing more expensive then a cheap Avanti.", but hoping to have a "driveway driver" for under 6K in the car.

A local radiator worth their salt should have been able to fix that
tank for about 20 to 40 bucks. I have mine resealed about 10 years
ago and its still going strong. The seam is weak.

There is such a thing as cost cutting without lower quality.

Tom

JDP
01-08-2009, 12:01 AM
Started on the brakes today. It look like the PO installed all new calipers, wheel cylinders and the rest when he parked it, now they are just rusty cores from sitting for over 30 years.

JDP/Maryland

JDP
01-13-2009, 08:39 PM
Well, rebuilt the calipers, master cylinder added new hoses and wheel cylinders. I installed the gas tank with new hoses. Fires it up and found the water pump was stuck from sitting, broke it loose and it was fine. No charge, but occasional spark near voltage regulator, tightened the ground, spark stopped and now charging. Installed rebuilt expansion tank.
Checked the gauges, all but the clock working fine. Heater, radio and lights worked, but no wipers, taped motor, wipers took off. Interior cleaned up very nicely. Here's a running budget.

Head gasket, valve job on one head, 2 new valves, cover gaskets $120
New spark plugs, plug wires $40
Rebuilt expansion tank $165
Oil, filter, antifreeze, thermostat $25
Carb, fuel pump kit, hoses $60
Master cylinder, wheel cylinders, hoses, caliper kits. $250
Turn signal lens $12
Battery $60
Half a exhaust system $130

I'm about $900 in on a cheap $5300 Avanti and over $500 of that ware parts I had in stock. The thing moves on it's own after 35 years, and that was the goal.


JDP/Maryland

sbca96
01-14-2009, 02:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP
The thing moves on it's own after 35 years, and that was the goal

WOOOHOOOO!

Tom

53k
01-14-2009, 09:47 AM
Progress pix?

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

JDP
01-14-2009, 10:01 AM
It's not changed enough for pictures, still ugly, and will stay that way.:)

JDP/Maryland

N8N
01-14-2009, 11:09 AM
how's it run, just curious? If you still have the old expansion tank I can run it by the guy down the street next time I come over, he might be able to fix it for the same or less than you paid for the replacement so you can have one "in stock" (same guy that rodded/resoldered the radiator on my '55)

nate

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sbca96
01-15-2009, 12:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N
If you still have the old expansion tank I can run it by the guy down the street next time I come over, he might be able to fix it for the same or less than you paid for the replacement so you can have one "in stock"

Yah! Good idea, though it sounds familar.[:p]

Tom

JDP
01-15-2009, 12:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N

how's it run, just curious? If you still have the old expansion tank I can run it by the guy down the street next time I come over, he might be able to fix it for the same or less than you paid for the replacement so you can have one "in stock" (same guy that rodded/resoldered the radiator on my '55)

nate

Jon Myer restores them for $150 with my old core. It runs great but still smokes a bit, hoping the rings free up.
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JDP/Maryland

sbca96
01-15-2009, 02:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by sbca96
A local radiator worth their salt should have been able to fix that
tank for about 20 to 40 bucks. I have mine resealed about 10 years
ago and its still going strong. The seam is weak.

There is such a thing as cost cutting without lower quality.

Tom

geojerry
01-17-2009, 09:53 AM
John,

Noticed it's 5 degrees this morning in the Annapolis area. How can anyone work on a car in these conditions. Hope you have a heater in your garage.

PS - It's 75 today down here in Ft. Lauderdale. Washing the GT Hawk and Avanti this morning in my driveway. Then off to a car show with the GT Hawk.[8D]

Jerry

PlainBrownR2
01-17-2009, 06:03 PM
quote:
Noticed it's 5 degrees this morning in the Annapolis area. How can anyone work on a car in these conditions. Hope you have a heater in your garage.

Very carefully. Dress well, don't rush yourself, and if it gets too cold it's time to come inside. Just ask the man who's putting his steering box together in it. [:o)]

Of course there's a few farm folk I know out here who go out in this weather with a hat and short sleeves. When you're out all day in it, after awhile 30 degrees can become quite comfortable [}:)].

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JDP
01-17-2009, 08:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by geojerry

John,

Noticed it's 5 degrees this morning in the Annapolis area. How can anyone work on a car in these conditions. Hope you have a heater in your garage.

PS - It's 75 today down here in Ft. Lauderdale. Washing the GT Hawk and Avanti this morning in my driveway. Then off to a car show with the GT Hawk.[8D]

Jerry


Gas furnace, keeps it at a toasty 70 degrees or better.

JDP/Maryland

JeffDeWitt
04-12-2009, 09:31 AM
quote:Originally posted by jlmccuan

JDP, I don't think even I have bought a used car with no gas tank. LOL Now I have a new item to add to the checklist.

Jim
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I have, bought my Champ from JP and it didn't have a gas tank (or a radiator). But of course I knew that when I told him I'd take it.

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Retired
04-12-2009, 09:49 AM
The Useless Hole. Note the hole in the center of the floor below the fuel tank. It was in the original design to route the fuel line. Later changed in production to the side. Make a patch and close it thereby eliminating (A)Dust & stones from gathering in the tank area. (B) An Echo chamber of road and rear wheel noise. AOAI Magazine years ago published an article titled "The Useless Hole" discribing in detail a way to patch the hole.

Richard

Mike
04-12-2009, 10:38 AM
"Richard" wrote:
The Useless Hole. Note the hole in the center of the floor below the fuel tank. It was in the original design to route the fuel line. Later changed in production to the side. Make a patch and close it thereby eliminating (A)Dust & stones from gathering in the tank area. (B) An Echo chamber of road and rear wheel noise. AOAI Magazine years ago published an article titled "The Useless Hole" discribing in detail a way to patch the hole.

My '64 Avanti was made in Oct. '63. There is a large hole in the floor where there is a 90 degree fitting in the bottom of the tank. It's between the two exhaust tail pipes, at the center line of the car. Do you mean they changed this design, later? When?
Mike M.

WCP
04-12-2009, 02:11 PM
The hole that is being referred to is directly in front of the hole for the fuel tank outlet right angle fitting, and immediately behind the tank compartment closure bulkhead. I would and always have left that hole open to vent fuel vapours from potential tank leaks that often occur with Avanti tanks after years of service (when you smell fuel from the rear underside of the car, it is time to investigate). I also pass wiring through that hole for the rear mounted electric fuel pump and solenoid shutoff. I don't think sealing it up is a good idea.

Retired
04-12-2009, 08:14 PM
I discovered the hole while detailing the interior of my '63 and wrote to N&A Avanti II. Nat Altman responded with the informaton about changing the fuel line direction by Studebaker. He agreed with my question about sealing the hole. What I was suprised at, was, the elimination of the road noise. I agree it makes a pefect drain should the fuel tank leak. P.S. The hole in question is directly over the "pumpkin".

Richard