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Jimmie
12-27-2008, 10:51 PM
I decided this afternoon that since I have the doghouse off and the engine out of my 50 that it would be real handy to grease the ball joints. One of them will not take grease. I took the nut off and took it out of the bracket. I can move it around but not easily. I changed fittings and used a piece of wire to try to clean out any hardened grease before putting the new fitting in. Nothing came out on the end of the wire and it just feels empty up inside. I can see the top of the ball while greasing it and there is not a sign of anything passing through. Also, after attempting to grease it, the bolt that sticks up from the ball will not move-even with lots of effort on my part. When I take the fitting out I can hear pressure being released and can then move the bolt/ball. I have sprayed WD-40 on the top of the ball in hopes that it will run down inside and loosen things up and allow grease to pass around the ball but to no avail. It took grease the last time I greased the car back in the summer. This is a new on on me.

Jimmie
Orleans, Indiana

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Allan Songer
12-28-2008, 12:25 AM
Ball joints?

StudeRich
12-28-2008, 03:08 AM
Studebakers do not have Ball Joints, those are the cheap little items on the outboard ends of the control arms that are used on the cheaply built competitive makes to take the place of the King Pins.

Maybe you were working on the tie rods, or the reach rod?

Jimmie
12-28-2008, 09:48 PM
Sorry about my stupid mix-up in terms, I meant tie rod ends-hope I don't misspell anything.

Jimmie
Orleans, Indiana














quote:Originally posted by Allan Songer

Ball joints?


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Jimmie
12-28-2008, 09:54 PM
Thanks for straightening me out, I do know that they are tie-rod ends as I have replaced them on different cars from time to time and have also dealt with worn king pins as well. No excuses, I just made a stupid mistake with terms.

Thanks again.

Jimmie

Orleans, Indiana






quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Studebakers do not have Ball Joints, those are the cheap little items on the outboard ends of the control arms that are used on the cheaply built competitive makes to take the place of the King Pins.

Maybe you were working on the tie rods, or the reach rod?


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ChampTrucking
12-29-2008, 05:32 AM
"Sorry about my stupid mix up in terms"
LOL
Heck I thought this was a post about a brothel!!
hee hee hee(':D')

leyrret
12-29-2008, 05:49 AM
I have on occasion heated the item with a torch as long as there is nothing you can destroy like rubber. It will make grease flow. You have to be careful not to spray yourself with hot grease if it lets go. I once
drove an old B model Mack that I had to do this to one kingpin every couple of weeks to keep steering loose enough to drive.

sweetolbob
12-29-2008, 12:13 PM
Jimmie

If it were mine, I remove the grease zerk an try to force grease through the zerk. If it won't flow grease, replace it and grease the end.

If it passes grease, I'd replace the end. It's trying to tell you something and the last thing I want to lose is a tie rod end. I believe, the old ones are not the safety style.

JMHO, Bob ;)

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buddymander
12-29-2008, 01:19 PM
I would at least squirt some oil in there with the zerk out.

52hawk
12-29-2008, 05:02 PM
I think your tie rod end is saying "replace me" .

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N8N
12-29-2008, 05:16 PM
To be fair, the tie rod ends *are* technically ball joints, just not what a mechanic thinks of when he says "ball joints" :)

Make sure you hit ALL the trunnions as well, and most especially the fittings on the kingpins... and the driveshaft U-joints, if yours are equipped with grease fittings. And the rear outboard wheel bearings (they are not lubed by the diff oil as is typical modern practice.) Lotsa stuff to grease on a Stude :)

nate

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55s
12-29-2008, 05:17 PM
I haven't had this problem personally, however, I watched an old Stude mechanic put grease in a reluctant zerk by having his assistant work the steering back and forth until the grease went in. It was up on a hoist with no weight on the suspension (this is key - no weight on the suspension). He actually spent more than half an hour greasing my car then changing the oil for less than $10. (Grease jobs used to be free with oil changes). PATIENCE!!

I believe that heat and removing the zerk to test (already mentioned) are other good strategies.

Don't blow the rubber seals with too high powered a grease gun. Gentle application, old grease should just start to ease out. Wipe off excess.

Paul

P.S.: Use a chart - there are about 25 fittings and usually some get missed by mechanics.

jlmccuan
12-29-2008, 05:29 PM
Seems like on the farm we had a tool that was set over the grease zerk and hit with a hammer. It was filled with grease and the hydraulic impact would force grease around the ball valve and spring in the zerk. Once it was freed up, the fitting would take grease from the grease gun.

Jim
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bams50
12-29-2008, 05:43 PM
I can't tell you how many times I came across old pickups with seized king pins over the years. People would give up on trucks because they became near-impossible to keep in the road. My Dad cured them every time doing this:

Raise and support the vehicle. Post a helper behind the wheel. Fire up the torch and heat the axle where the king pin passes through, until it starts to glow red. Once it does, immediately grab the grease gun and pump in grease, while the helper turns the wheels back and forth. Grease, heat, and grease again, until grease shows out at both ends of the axle. Same for the other side. Allow to cool and add more grease till it seeps out. If you're doing it right, it's a smoky and stinky process;)

After this, you can check for any play in the pins. If you find any, plan to replace them; but rarely will you find any looseness.

You will be amazed at how much more pleasurable the steering will be. I think most of the time people think they need to add power steering to a car, they would actually scrap the idea if the front suspension was lubed properly.

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Parish, central NY 13131

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Jimmie
12-29-2008, 11:54 PM
Nate-

Thanks for the suggestions.

Jimmie
Orleans, Indiana




quote:Originally posted by N8N

To be fair, the tie rod ends *are* technically ball joints, just not what a mechanic thinks of when he says "ball joints" :)

Make sure you hit ALL the trunnions as well, and most especially the fittings on the kingpins... and the driveshaft U-joints, if yours are equipped with grease fittings. And the rear outboard wheel bearings (they are not lubed by the diff oil as is typical modern practice.) Lotsa stuff to grease on a Stude :)

nate

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I'VE SAVED SO MUCH DAYLIGHT THAT THERE'S NO DARK TO SLEEP IN ANYMORE!

Jimmie
12-30-2008, 12:01 AM
Thanks to all for the suggestions. I will try the torch idea.

Jimmie
Orleans, Indiana




quote:Originally posted by bams50

I can't tell you how many times I came across old pickups with seized king pins over the years. People would give up on trucks because they became near-impossible to keep in the road. My Dad cured them every time doing this:

Raise and support the vehicle. Post a helper behind the wheel. Fire up the torch and heat the axle where the king pin passes through, until it starts to glow red. Once it does, immediately grab the grease gun and pump in grease, while the helper turns the wheels back and forth. Grease, heat, and grease again, until grease shows out at both ends of the axle. Same for the other side. Allow to cool and add more grease till it seeps out. If you're doing it right, it's a smoky and stinky process;)

After this, you can check for any play in the pins. If you find any, plan to replace them; but rarely will you find any looseness.

You will be amazed at how much more pleasurable the steering will be. I think most of the time people think they need to add power steering to a car, they would actually scrap the idea if the front suspension was lubed properly.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"






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1950 CHAMPION -ORANGE COUNTY, INDIANA
I'VE SAVED SO MUCH DAYLIGHT THAT THERE'S NO DARK TO SLEEP IN ANYMORE!