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JDP
12-23-2008, 01:21 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330296253163

JDP/Maryland
Please vote for Sid (64GT)in the NYT contest.
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62champ
12-23-2008, 01:27 AM
Know the gentleman who built this car. If I am remembering correctly, I think he found the top to use first then chose how to modify the car so everything would work.

That short wheel base must be a little hairy when you get on it good...

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
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[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

StudeRich
12-23-2008, 02:43 AM
Not bad looking at all! This is one of the first Customs I have seen where the builder didn't drop the front bumper on the ground and ruin the look and ride! It has been lowered all the way around only slightly for good ground clearance and good overall stance. Also the huge wheels are probably hiding the fact that it is lower than it looks. [^]

The "Penguin" seats are not for everyone, also all the White, Gold and Yellow trim, and the grille, rear axle, and pin stripes, bad choice of color for those, they just distract from the otherwise clean look.

This is why if you build a Custom, you need to KEEP it! Since very few people will agree on your choices enough to pay for it.

Interesting, in one Engine Pic it's an R1, and in the other it's an R2
and he says it's an R3! It may be a 304, but I doubt it's an R3 with Heads.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/studerich/53Roadster.jpg

StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

Gary1953
12-23-2008, 03:47 AM
I like it also. Very cool.

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Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

studeski
12-23-2008, 05:34 AM
I agree with StudeRich. The interior sucks, I don't like the wheels and the chassis could have detailed. Yellow axle? No power steering. It doesn't mention R3 but assumes it.

Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
63 GT Hawk R2
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/62hawka/dakota01_250.jpg[/img=left]

r1lark
12-23-2008, 07:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich
Interesting, in one Engine Pic it's an R1

StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

Rich,

Look at that pic again.....I don't think that's an R1. Looks more like a smallblock Chevy to me.

Paul
Winston-Salem, NC
Visit The NEW Studebaker Skytop Registry website at: www.studebakerskytop.com

studeski
12-23-2008, 07:46 AM
Paul,
You're right by Jobe. Now which picture is correct? Yellow wire looms. Different PB unit. Maybe two different cars.........

Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
63 GT Hawk R2
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/62hawka/dakota01_250.jpg[/img=left]

N8N
12-23-2008, 08:20 AM
I think the SBC pic is of a different car that happened to be the same color. Note the stainless side trim just visible in the pic

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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52 Ragtop
12-23-2008, 08:20 AM
Looks like 2 different engine compartments! The on that looks like a non blown car, there is a moulding showing on the left fender, AND the power booster/master cylinders are different. There is no chrome on the side pics.

Jim

barnlark
12-23-2008, 09:29 AM
What's he doing with those engine pics? Anyone live near there to look at this one? The frame color looks like the factory '60 brochure.
Looks like fun, but the listing is questionable. Maybe they are evolution pics without explanation.

lstude
12-23-2008, 09:51 AM
The picture with the SBC has a Hawk fan shroud. Must be a different car.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MyStudebakernobackgroundsm.jpg

barnlark
12-23-2008, 09:59 AM
[quote]Originally posted by 52 Ragtop

Looks like 2 different engine compartments! The on that looks like a non blown car, there is a moulding showing on the left fender, AND the power booster/master cylinders are different. There is no chrome on the side pics.

Red seats, too. What's with this auction?

lstude
12-23-2008, 10:06 AM
quote:Red seats, too. What's with this auction?

And it has a post on the door.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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53k
12-23-2008, 10:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by 62champ

Know the gentleman who built this car. If I am remembering correctly, I think he found the top to use first then chose how to modify the car so everything would work.
That short wheel base must be a little hairy when you get on it good...

Can you shed any light on the engine compartment pix discrepancies?
Like JP I was struck by it being a very nice piece of work (in spite of some of the color choices). I would think his Buy-It-Now price is low considering the investment. The seller appears to be some sort of a dealer (from his user name and previous sales).

Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

62champ
12-23-2008, 11:07 AM
Last time I spoke with the builder was about five years ago and he was still living where the car was made, in the Austin, Texas area. He was the original president of the Texas Hill Country Chapter.

Listing has the car in the Colorado area so I am not sure if it was sold or not.

I seem to remember the motor being Studebaker - he had to figure out how to get everything under the hood.

I think the original builder had this car in South Bend in 2002.

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

52-fan
12-23-2008, 11:19 AM
I agree with you guys about the interior and mix of colors, but IF I could afford the car I could fix those nits. To me high back buckets sticking up just kill the look with the top down and those yellow looms under the hood look out of place. Nice effort though and I would welcome the owner to any meeting we had.

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1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, both w/overdrive.Searcy,Arkansas
"I may be lazy, but I'm not shiftless."

TX Rebel
12-23-2008, 11:37 AM
I believe that is the car Ken Berry built and displayed in Omaha, and I recall he sold it a couple of years ago for what I thought was a very reasonable price because he was just not getting any action at the higher price he had originally offered it for. Indeed, customs ARE cars to build for ones self and KEEP! I have seen many instances of a fellow spending 100 grand on a beautiful custom, winning a room full of trophies, and selling it for $30K, especially Studebakers. I wish I could have bought the yellow custom 33 coupe I saw for sale in the Spring for about $50K!

Barry'd in Studes

JLasvegas
12-23-2008, 12:18 PM
High back seats do not belong in any Vert, ever

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/3053270621_acbec95891_t.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3027/3053282963_80ff432e9c_t.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3289/3053279651_46c4f7971f_t.jpg
1964 Daytona Wagonaire
259cid flight o matic

buddymander
12-23-2008, 12:29 PM
I guess it wasn't enough to have a shorten
ed 53 Stude convertible. He had to scam it up with yellow trim and crazy interior. To get more attention? I never did get why anybody would choose a rare body style and then make it all flashy with crazy paint or trim. Just the fact of what it IS should be enough.

Desert Explorer
12-23-2008, 12:58 PM
Wow that could have been really beautiful........ I have to agree that much of the details are tastelessly done........................ However, just to be contrary (and it is really against my nature, as I am really a stock resto guy at heart) but this is done in the newer style folks call Resto-Mod, and for that it is not bad. Nice to see Studes making it across that boundry, and not just forgotten to the new generation of builders (you can take a lot rougher and less complete car and do something like this, when a regular restoration would be too far to go).

Anyhow, that said........... I'm cought between "Oooooh" & "YUCK!"

barnlark
12-23-2008, 01:17 PM
I don't want to trash anyone's car, I just want to know why the pictures do not match.

merv
12-23-2008, 01:33 PM
i live about 20 miles from this car and am going to look at i this afternoon. i don't think it is a scam. i talked to the owner and he seems to be on the up and up

merv
12-23-2008, 01:37 PM
[quote]Originally posted by barnlark

I don't want to trash anyone's car, I just want to know why the pictures do not match.
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he just added another picture and why the one dosen't match

tbredehoft
12-23-2008, 01:40 PM
The non-blown engine has a Hawk front clip, note the hood latch plate location.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
(Under Construction 571 hrs.)
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

WCP
12-23-2008, 01:41 PM
Notice the usual 2x4 dent in the engine pan bottom. Not professional!

Steve T
12-23-2008, 02:00 PM
I like it. (The car, not the dent!) I'd get rid of the yellow, and maybe change the seats; and I'm not sure I care for the 80s-Corvette-like wheels...but an SWB roadster variation on Mr Bourke's coupe is a nice idea indeed. I'm picturing it in either a deep metallic maroon or a deep metallic grey, with deepdish chrome wire wheels. Mmmm.

S.

studegary
12-23-2008, 04:14 PM
I have seen several of these Studebakers that were hardtops and then made into convertibles and also shortened and placed on a Lark frame.
I liked this one enough to bid on it.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

gordr
12-23-2008, 04:59 PM
I like it, too. I see the seller has explained the spurious engine-room picture. Easy enough to make a mistake. No biggie.

I wish there were a little more data on how the roof was done, and how the wheelbase was shortened, and what was done to the frame. If that car was at Omaha, chances are Craig P. will have some pics.

I agree with the comments regarding the seats and the wheels. If it were my car, I'd go with low-back seats, or at least seats with an adjustable head rest, older Volvo maybe. And some sort of Torque-thrust type wheel, to keep them era-appropriate to the car.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

bams50
12-23-2008, 05:37 PM
I've been trying to figure out what those wheels are... I think they're regular production car wheels- maybe Lincoln or Grand Marquis...? Any ideas?

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
12-23-2008, 07:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

I've been trying to figure out what those wheels are... I think they're regular production car wheels- maybe Lincoln or Grand Marquis...? Any ideas?







Corvette. Steve already ID'd them in an earlier post.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/finished044.jpg

barnlark
12-23-2008, 07:31 PM
Glad it's legit. Good luck buyers. eBay doesn't make it easy, do they? Accurate descriptions should trump their rules, or be part of them within reason.

bams50
12-23-2008, 08:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by bams50

I've been trying to figure out what those wheels are... I think they're regular production car wheels- maybe Lincoln or Grand Marquis...? Any ideas?







Corvette. Steve already ID'd them in an earlier post.




I'm not sure about that. Steve said "Corvette-like", and I agree- but they don't quite look like Vette wheels to me

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

Dick Steinkamp
12-23-2008, 08:22 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50


I'm not sure about that. Steve said "Corvette-like", and I agree- but they don't quite look like Vette wheels to me




1993-1996 Corvette wheels...

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/chevrolet-corvette/images/chevrolet-corvette-1994a.jpg

eBay car...

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Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Stude-a-mino%20old%20pics/oldpics6asmall.jpg http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/finished044.jpg

S2DSteve
12-23-2008, 08:33 PM
Pretty nice piece of work IMOHO. We were parked side-by-side for some time at Omaha, and I looked it over thoroughly. Naturally I would do some things differently, but he got the hard stuff right and everything else would be fairly easy to change. I do have to disagree with StudeRich on the stance. It just sits too high for my tastes-air ride would be one of the things I would add. If I had the extra room (and spare change) I would be tempted to hit the "buy it now"-there's no way you could duplicate it for that amount. I know Ken was asking a LOT more than that when he first offered it for sale.

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Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

Pat Dilling
12-23-2008, 08:33 PM
I like it. In some pictures is has a Sunbeam Alpine/Tiger look to it. Definitely a sports car aura. Anything I don't like about the car could be easily changed or fixed. Looks like it is well constructed. I'd like to see it in person some day.

Pat

Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
Custom '53 Starlight aka Stu Cool
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bams50
12-23-2008, 08:45 PM
I guess that's it, Dick. Thanks.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

StudeRich
12-24-2008, 02:47 AM
That figures! One look at that Convertible that always looks like it has 4 broken springs tells it ALL! [xx(] Doesn't it have a DRIVEABLE height, I've never seen it in that mode?


quote:Originally posted by S2DSteve

I do have to disagree with StudeRich on the stance. It just sits too high for my tastes-air ride would be one of the things I would add.


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StudeRich at Studebakers Northwest -Ferndale,WA

studeski
12-24-2008, 07:02 AM
It seems once the whitewalls and wheel covers start to disappear under the wheel well openings they do look to low. Look at Dick's signature in his message above. The Ute pic on the right looks much better with the higher stance. I guess the shape of the wheel opening would be a big factor too.

Claude Chmielewski
Studeski
http://www.studeski.com
Fillmore, Wisconsin
47 M-16 Truck
62 GT Hawk
63 Lark
64 Commander Wagonaire
50 Champion Regal (parts car)
63 GT Hawk R2
[img=left]http://www.studeski.com/62hawk/62hawka/dakota01_250.jpg[/img=left]

jimmijim8
12-24-2008, 07:59 AM
Nice build, nice car. I like the stance. Colors are subjective to ones personal opinion. For the price, and if it is engineered correctly, I'd say it's a good deal. I like it. jimmijim

bams50
12-24-2008, 09:38 AM
Well, you know the saying- "If you think it's too low, you're too old!"

If that's true I've been too old most of my life[:I] There are plenty of cars that look good lowered, but I've yet to see a Studebaker car I thought looked better lowered... to me they always look like they need a suspension rebuild[|)][|)][|)] TEHO, of course.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

studegary
12-24-2008, 02:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

I like it, too. I see the seller has explained the spurious engine-room picture. Easy enough to make a mistake. No biggie.

I wish there were a little more data on how the roof was done, and how the wheelbase was shortened, and what was done to the frame. If that car was at Omaha, chances are Craig P. will have some pics.

Gord Richmond,


He explains that the car is on a Lark convertible frame. This is the way that I have seen these shortened convertibles built in the past. This gives a 12 inch shorter whelbase (120.5 to 108.5) without any frame alterations.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer