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studeclunker
11-26-2006, 07:01 PM
I had an accident with the jack when lowering it off. The jack slipped back off the front axle of my Champ and bang into the oil pan. What would be damaged in this case?[}:)] Should I jack it back up and remove the pan? Should I replace it? Oi![V]

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Ron Smith

rockne10
11-26-2006, 07:24 PM
Sump pick-up is in the bottom, near drainplug. If your accident didn't compromise the gasket seal to block or puncture the pan, all it will do is create an ugly pan.[:0][V]

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
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StudeRich
11-26-2006, 07:26 PM
If you crushed the sump more than about 1/2 to 3/4 inch you will pick-up more sludge in the oil pump pickup screen, or block it. If you crushed the shallow front part, a rod could hit when coming down on the BTC of it's stroke. Maybe best to fix it, but you could run it(idle), listen for noise, watch oil pressure -you'll need to connect one to the right head at the rear where the idiot light sending unit is. Good luck!:)

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Rosstude
11-26-2006, 07:28 PM
May be a problem, and then again it may not. The pan on my Transtar has taken a few off-road hits in the past and seems to be fine, no leaks anyway, but these are more like scrapes.
If it hit the pick up, that could be a problem, depending on how far it got pushed in. Does it leak?, will it start?, is so what is the oil pressure? Any bad sounds when it fires up?

Ross.
Riverside, Ca.
1957 Provincial X2
1958 Transtar
1963 Lark. F.S.

studeclunker
11-26-2006, 07:56 PM
I'm not to the point of actually starting the motor. He... Um, heck, I just got it to turn over for the first time this year, today. The jack slipped between the steering rod and the pan in the forward part of the lower pan. No, it's not shallow, it's a serious dent.
I guess I'll wait for now, concentrate on getting the motor reassembled. The question, I guess, is how far off the bottom of the pan is the strainer. If it's damaged, who has one available? SASCO perhaps? I mean, I could steal one off the original motor, I'd rather not.

Can I get a new pan for this motor? Again, I can steal one off of the possible donor engine I have.[}:)] Still, I'd rather not.

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Ron Smith

rockne10
11-26-2006, 08:50 PM
The strainer has a bit of a hinge to it, so may well have no ill effects, even if it was jostled. Once you get it running, satisfactory oil pressure will indicate nothing to fear.

John Kirchhoff
11-26-2006, 09:06 PM
If you take the pan off to straighten it, I've found a 2X4 or 4X4 block of hard wood like oak works good for a little body and fender work. It helps eliminate the "elephant tracks" a hammer can leave and makes it much easier to reach certain areas.

Roscomacaw
11-27-2006, 12:55 AM
I'd be worried.:( It MIGHT still function and it might not. Brad mentioned that the pickup's hinged a bit but, Brad, that's only on earlier V8s. Later ones had a rigid pickup mounted to a rigid piece of pipe that screws into the oil pump.
I know I'm talking extreme here but then, Clunk's interpretation of a "serious dent" might be less than mine. Can't say because we can't see.[B)]
Ron, no new pans available - wish there were! I don't THINK the pickup tubes are to be had new either. I'd take John's suggestion and bang out the pan with a piece of 2X4 and a hammer. I recently banged the bottom of one to somewhat decent shape like that. Did it with the pan sitting on the lawn so it cushions it a bit.:)

Miscreant adrift in
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Guido
11-27-2006, 12:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs Did it with the pan sitting on the lawn so it cushions it a bit.:)
They have lawns in the desert? ;)

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Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

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mapman
11-27-2006, 01:23 PM
You say the engine isn't together yet but I don't know how far from it. Take the spark plugs out and turn it by hand. If there is any binding it may be hitting the pan or the pick up. If the distributer is out run the oil pump with a drill to see if it still picks up oil. It should quickly get hard to turn. This will help tell if you cracked the oil pick up tube. Jack accidents are never fun. At least no one is hurt.
Rob

Roscomacaw
11-27-2006, 01:48 PM
I'd like to echo what Rob just said - thank goodness it was the pan that suffered and not our pal, Clunk![xx(]

Yes Gary, we do have lawns here in the valley. Technically, it IS desert here, but not to where cactus are the primary greenery. In fact, when settlers first pitched their tents on what's now Visalia, it was covered by GIANT Oak trees and lesser greenery. There was water too. Fact is, big schooners used to sail thru the valley and out to San Francisco in the 1800s!

Here's a photo of my "wasteland" back yard in summer![:0]

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Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
11-27-2006, 02:36 PM
Hey Biggsie! I loooove that lawn decoration!

I know everyone gets tired of those desertscapes and palm tree lined streets, but here's another typical California landscape. The view from my front door:

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This was taken in August of last year. That bare area on the far ridge is what happens when the BLM decides to do a 'controlled burn' on a day that has one percent humidity and seventy mile an hour gusts of wind. If it hadn't rained, the whole town would have burnt. But what can I say? That's the breaks living out in the California Desert (LOL).:D:D

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Ron Smith

Orestudeguy
11-27-2006, 11:43 PM
Ok Ron,

Now that you showed the beautiful view of the valley, take a pic of the ("less than what I'd call a fireroad") driveway up to your place!
LOL!!
Going up is interesting, coming down with a loaded car trailer is something else!
I do appreciate the Wagonaires, and happy that I was able to get them from you thou..
Many thanks,
[8)]

George
65 Commander 2door
64 Wagonaire 3 now!
63 Champ
63 GT Hawk
51 Champion Starlight Coupe

60Lark
11-28-2006, 12:35 AM
The oil pan on my 51 Champion had a good sized dent in it so I bought what was supposed to be a replacement from an SDC vendor but when it arrived it was not the correct oil pan. I already had the damaged oil pan off and decided it would be easier to straighten the dent out rather than messing with trying to get the incorrect pan exchanged. I said all that to say two things. (1) If the pan doesn't have a deep crease, it isn't that hard to straighten out, once you have the pan off. (2) I have no idea what this other oil pan fits, other than it will not fit a 169 cu. in. 6-cyl, if you can determine what it will fit from a pic, I'll take and post a pic of the oil pan, if it will fit, you can have it for the price of shipping from Missouri.

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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

gordr
11-29-2006, 12:52 AM
Ron, if the pan just has a big dent, and hasn't been pulled to the point that the gaskets will leak, or if the pickup screen hasn't been compromised, just MIG weld a washer edge-wise in the bottom of the dent, and use an L-hook in a bodyman's slide hammer to pull out the dent. Then grind the washer off. Repeat as required.

Can save you major time over pan re & re.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

studeclunker
11-29-2006, 02:34 PM
Well, I've finally got the starter to work. It turns the engine over on it's own from the key. This is a big thing for me! Now the damage from the slipped jack is showing. There's a scraping sound when the motor turns. Sigh. Looks like I'll have to pull the pan off and see what needs doing. Right now though, the yard is a swamp with all the melting snow. Oh, for a garage, or even a paved carport.

George, Yeah, I've mentioned my driveway other places. One Lucifer Metastophelies designed it. A Greek fellow, I'm told, who has a reputation of smelling like sulphur...

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Ron Smith

studeclunker
12-03-2006, 12:19 AM
Well, wrestled the @@#*@@@ thing out today. The pickup was turned upwards a bit, but it wasn't a problem. I just took a pipe wrench and turned it down a bit. Problem solved there! Then I got out some high-tech specialized tools and carefully massaged the dents out.;) Four or five wacks with a sledge and block, and the pan is smooth as anyone would want.[}:)] Actually, it's better than when i bought the truck. Put a little gasket sealer on and the old fellow should be ready to roll.

Now for the brakes...

Phil, thanks for the offer.:D If the pan won't fit your Lark, it probably won't fit my Champ.[8] See, the engine is the same. That's why I have the truck. The theory is that with all the vehicles having the same drive train, I can keep at least one of them running at all times. That's the theory anyway... They are all in the same condition right now. Broke down:(

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Ron Smith