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bams50
11-26-2006, 07:14 AM
Saw this one this summer at our weekly cruise:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/2358000-2358999/2358680_33_full.jpg

Owner said he bought it in PA when he went to look at another car...

Not a very popular car, but I loved it [8D]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

s1b
11-26-2006, 09:27 AM
Nice car. I like the 56/57 cars.I have a 56 Champion 2dr and love it.Few and far between.

Orlando FLA

s1b
11-26-2006, 09:27 AM
Nice car. I like the 56/57 cars.I have a 56 Champion 2dr and love it.Few and far between.

Orlando FLA

lstude
11-26-2006, 09:40 AM
There is a 57 Scotsman for sale in Louisa, VA, but they want $2,500.00 for it. It has been sitting on a used car lot for over a year. I think it is still there. If anybody is interested, Frank Drumheller would know if it is still there.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Studebakerphotosfromdisc098.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-26-2006, 09:40 AM
There is a 57 Scotsman for sale in Louisa, VA, but they want $2,500.00 for it. It has been sitting on a used car lot for over a year. I think it is still there. If anybody is interested, Frank Drumheller would know if it is still there.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Studebakerphotosfromdisc098.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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mbstude
11-26-2006, 10:11 AM
quote:Nice car. I like the 56/57 cars.I have a 56 Champion 2dr and love it.Few and far between.

I like those too. My Dad has a pretty '56 Champ two door.
185 flat head 6, OD trans, dual exhaust. [8D]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56003.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56002.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56004.jpg

View from the driver's seat. ;)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56008.jpg



_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-26-2006, 10:11 AM
quote:Nice car. I like the 56/57 cars.I have a 56 Champion 2dr and love it.Few and far between.

I like those too. My Dad has a pretty '56 Champ two door.
185 flat head 6, OD trans, dual exhaust. [8D]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56003.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56002.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56004.jpg

View from the driver's seat. ;)
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/000wash_56008.jpg



_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

lstude
11-26-2006, 10:28 AM
That is a nice 56 Champion, Matthew. It looks like you have lots of Studebakers around there. What is that on top of the shed? Does the 56 have real dual exhaust, or just a piece of tail pipe at the opening of the bumper? There was a 57 Two door at the Spokane meet.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/SpokaneMeettrip225.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-26-2006, 10:28 AM
That is a nice 56 Champion, Matthew. It looks like you have lots of Studebakers around there. What is that on top of the shed? Does the 56 have real dual exhaust, or just a piece of tail pipe at the opening of the bumper? There was a 57 Two door at the Spokane meet.


http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/SpokaneMeettrip225.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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mbstude
11-26-2006, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the compliments. The exhaust pipe splits right behind the engine into two pipes, so it's real dual exhaust, but only has one inlet from the engine.

Yes, there's a few old Studes around. :D That on the building is the remains of a rotted '39 Plymouth coupe. It's just a shell with doors. My uncle bought it off eBay. The ad said it was a Stude, but we figured out it's not. [V]

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-26-2006, 10:38 AM
Thanks for the compliments. The exhaust pipe splits right behind the engine into two pipes, so it's real dual exhaust, but only has one inlet from the engine.

Yes, there's a few old Studes around. :D That on the building is the remains of a rotted '39 Plymouth coupe. It's just a shell with doors. My uncle bought it off eBay. The ad said it was a Stude, but we figured out it's not. [V]

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

lstude
11-26-2006, 11:05 AM
quote:That on the building is the remains of a rotted '39 Plymouth coupe. It's just a shell with doors. My uncle bought it off eBay. The ad said it was a Stude, but we figured out it's not.
That is funny. My first car was a 40 Plymouth that someone gave me when I was 13 years old. Below is my sister and her friend on it.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/FamilyStudephotos068.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
11-26-2006, 11:05 AM
quote:That on the building is the remains of a rotted '39 Plymouth coupe. It's just a shell with doors. My uncle bought it off eBay. The ad said it was a Stude, but we figured out it's not.
That is funny. My first car was a 40 Plymouth that someone gave me when I was 13 years old. Below is my sister and her friend on it.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/FamilyStudephotos068.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

studelark
11-26-2006, 11:13 AM
Yes, the photos of the '57 Scotsman posted by Leonard, which really does justice to the car, shows the car where it still resides. Its a restorable car out of Pennsylvania. When it showed up over two years ago, a friend and I stopped one afternoon to check it out. As I am a fan of Scotspersons, I hopped out of my truck and trotted up to the car and swung open the driver's door, popped my head in to read the odometer-WOW, I withdrew faster than a speeding bullet. A possum had crawled into the car and died a week or so earlier. It took several hours to get my breath back!! I haven't been back, although the car is only 20 miles from here.

I never even talked with the owners, but I heard from the grapevine they were asking $2500. I have a feeling it could be bought for less without the odor, but I lost my interest long ago!

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
no Scotsman 2 door sitting on my hill stinking up the place!

studelark
11-26-2006, 11:13 AM
Yes, the photos of the '57 Scotsman posted by Leonard, which really does justice to the car, shows the car where it still resides. Its a restorable car out of Pennsylvania. When it showed up over two years ago, a friend and I stopped one afternoon to check it out. As I am a fan of Scotspersons, I hopped out of my truck and trotted up to the car and swung open the driver's door, popped my head in to read the odometer-WOW, I withdrew faster than a speeding bullet. A possum had crawled into the car and died a week or so earlier. It took several hours to get my breath back!! I haven't been back, although the car is only 20 miles from here.

I never even talked with the owners, but I heard from the grapevine they were asking $2500. I have a feeling it could be bought for less without the odor, but I lost my interest long ago!

Frank Drumheller
Louisa, VA
'60 Lark Regal VI 4 door
'48 M16-52 Studebaker/Boyer fire truck
no Scotsman 2 door sitting on my hill stinking up the place!

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:06 PM
There's something a bit odd about that blue Scotsman. It's wearing a Champion grille instead of the Scotsman issue and it has F2 side mouldings where a Scotsman wouldn't have ANY side mouldings at all.[?]
It's got the Scotsman instrument cluster (all two of them + 2 idiot lights)and Scotsman steering wheel as well as Scotsman issue tail and tag lite housings. Maybe it was wrecked one time and the available repair parts constituted an upgrade. OR - maybe an owner just wanted to "gussie" it up a bit![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:06 PM
There's something a bit odd about that blue Scotsman. It's wearing a Champion grille instead of the Scotsman issue and it has F2 side mouldings where a Scotsman wouldn't have ANY side mouldings at all.[?]
It's got the Scotsman instrument cluster (all two of them + 2 idiot lights)and Scotsman steering wheel as well as Scotsman issue tail and tag lite housings. Maybe it was wrecked one time and the available repair parts constituted an upgrade. OR - maybe an owner just wanted to "gussie" it up a bit![^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

lstude
11-26-2006, 03:19 PM
When I first looked at the car, I also thought it was a Champion because of the chrome trim and full wheel covers, but as I looked closer at the solid door panels with no arm rests and no window cranks on the rear windows and the black dash gauges an little "S" on the grille, it seemed to have started life as a Scotsman. I didn't realize that the Champion grille was different from the Scotsman other than the Scotsman grille was not chrome, but painted silver. I have only seen one restored Scotsman at a Studebaker meet. I would like to see this one restored back to original, but I don't want to be the one who does it. It didn't smell as bad when I looked at it. It just smelled very musty.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-26-2006, 03:19 PM
When I first looked at the car, I also thought it was a Champion because of the chrome trim and full wheel covers, but as I looked closer at the solid door panels with no arm rests and no window cranks on the rear windows and the black dash gauges an little "S" on the grille, it seemed to have started life as a Scotsman. I didn't realize that the Champion grille was different from the Scotsman other than the Scotsman grille was not chrome, but painted silver. I have only seen one restored Scotsman at a Studebaker meet. I would like to see this one restored back to original, but I don't want to be the one who does it. It didn't smell as bad when I looked at it. It just smelled very musty.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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bob40
11-26-2006, 03:40 PM
Having sold 2 Studes this year I'm feeling a bit empty.A Scotsman is on my hit list but it has to be a nice driver.

bob40
11-26-2006, 03:40 PM
Having sold 2 Studes this year I'm feeling a bit empty.A Scotsman is on my hit list but it has to be a nice driver.

mbstude
11-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Mr. Biggs, our '56 Champ has that same steering wheel as that blue Scotsman, is it correct for the '56?



_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-26-2006, 03:43 PM
Mr. Biggs, our '56 Champ has that same steering wheel as that blue Scotsman, is it correct for the '56?



_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:54 PM
Yup! What's the horn button look like, Matthew? I'll bet it's black with the Stude crest in it.:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:54 PM
Yup! What's the horn button look like, Matthew? I'll bet it's black with the Stude crest in it.:)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

mbstude
11-26-2006, 03:57 PM
quote:Yup! What's the horn button look like, Matthew? I'll bet it's black with the Stude crest in it.


I can't recall for sure, but it seems like that's what it has. [8D]

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-26-2006, 03:57 PM
quote:Yup! What's the horn button look like, Matthew? I'll bet it's black with the Stude crest in it.


I can't recall for sure, but it seems like that's what it has. [8D]

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/side_body_avatar.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

JDP
11-26-2006, 04:30 PM
Here's a picture of the nicest driving Studebaker I've ever owned. It was a 25,000 mile Survivor car: (57 Commander wagon) Sold it for $4000 maybe five years ago and though I'd made a killing.

http://www.stude.com/sold/57a.jpg

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-26-2006, 04:30 PM
Here's a picture of the nicest driving Studebaker I've ever owned. It was a 25,000 mile Survivor car: (57 Commander wagon) Sold it for $4000 maybe five years ago and though I'd made a killing.

http://www.stude.com/sold/57a.jpg

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

lstude
11-26-2006, 05:08 PM
That is the prettiest 57 wagon I have ever seen. Who owns this 57 wagon that is always at York and Reedsville?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Reedsville2006013.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
11-26-2006, 05:08 PM
That is the prettiest 57 wagon I have ever seen. Who owns this 57 wagon that is always at York and Reedsville?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Reedsville2006013.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

StudeRich
11-26-2006, 05:22 PM
That's (2) very nice Parkviews! Looks like he's got enough oil to keep it full!:D LOL At least he's got the BEST brand! :D

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
11-26-2006, 05:22 PM
That's (2) very nice Parkviews! Looks like he's got enough oil to keep it full!:D LOL At least he's got the BEST brand! :D

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Studedude1961
11-26-2006, 07:35 PM
I still believe in the next 10 years or so we are going to see 1950s Studebaker station wagon prices skyrocket. Is it me or do they get better looking every year?

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
11-26-2006, 07:35 PM
I still believe in the next 10 years or so we are going to see 1950s Studebaker station wagon prices skyrocket. Is it me or do they get better looking every year?

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

StudeDave57
11-26-2006, 08:26 PM
Boy did I pick a bad day to work, like I have a choice!!! :)

First things first-
JDP, where did that Parkview ever get off too? I'd sure like to know!!! Have you got any s/n or body tag info on it? I've been trying to track as many of them down as I can- one day I'll set up some sort of website...
Yes, let's see what we can do about finding the owner of the 'other' wagon pictured here~ I've never seen that one, and need the same numbers from that car!!! What are the odds that it might be the same Parkview??? Not many left, I only know of about 6... ;) [:0]

Mr. Biggs, I hate to disagree with you, but that Scotsman could've been ordered with those moldings- it was an option. I've seen a bunch of them that way, and even owned one! I also believe the '57 Scotsmen had the same grille as the other '57 sedans, not the one the '58s used that you're thinking of. It's hard to say because it seems all the Scotsmen I ever see are '58s!!! All 'factory' pictures of '57s I've seen had the regular sedan grille...
My '57 Champion F2 has that same steering wheel, but diferent window cranks and door handles inside~ left-over '55 stuff if you can believe it!!! [:0] Click the pics and see~

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=73

Lastly, did anyone else notice that the first car pictured (the red 4 door) has no side trim except the 'beltline' stuff below the side windows and the stuff around the back glass? Those tail light housings look painted as well, don't they? I wonder if it's a Scotsman [?] [:0]

I think that'll do it- for now!!! ;) :)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
11-26-2006, 08:26 PM
Boy did I pick a bad day to work, like I have a choice!!! :)

First things first-
JDP, where did that Parkview ever get off too? I'd sure like to know!!! Have you got any s/n or body tag info on it? I've been trying to track as many of them down as I can- one day I'll set up some sort of website...
Yes, let's see what we can do about finding the owner of the 'other' wagon pictured here~ I've never seen that one, and need the same numbers from that car!!! What are the odds that it might be the same Parkview??? Not many left, I only know of about 6... ;) [:0]

Mr. Biggs, I hate to disagree with you, but that Scotsman could've been ordered with those moldings- it was an option. I've seen a bunch of them that way, and even owned one! I also believe the '57 Scotsmen had the same grille as the other '57 sedans, not the one the '58s used that you're thinking of. It's hard to say because it seems all the Scotsmen I ever see are '58s!!! All 'factory' pictures of '57s I've seen had the regular sedan grille...
My '57 Champion F2 has that same steering wheel, but diferent window cranks and door handles inside~ left-over '55 stuff if you can believe it!!! [:0] Click the pics and see~

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=73

Lastly, did anyone else notice that the first car pictured (the red 4 door) has no side trim except the 'beltline' stuff below the side windows and the stuff around the back glass? Those tail light housings look painted as well, don't they? I wonder if it's a Scotsman [?] [:0]

I think that'll do it- for now!!! ;) :)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

bams50
11-26-2006, 08:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

That is the prettiest 57 wagon I have ever seen. Who owns this 57 wagon that is always at York and Reedsville?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Reedsville2006013.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg


Why don't you call him and find out? :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
11-26-2006, 08:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

That is the prettiest 57 wagon I have ever seen. Who owns this 57 wagon that is always at York and Reedsville?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Reedsville2006013.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg


Why don't you call him and find out? :D

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

StudeDave57
11-26-2006, 08:40 PM
I plan to~ I wrote that before I noticed the phone number, opps!!!! [8] [V]

[b]StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
11-26-2006, 08:40 PM
I plan to~ I wrote that before I noticed the phone number, opps!!!! [8] [V]

[b]StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

JDP
11-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Sold the Parkview at York five years or so back, then it showed up for sale again at York maybe two years ago. Not sure where it is, but suspect in the mid Atlantic.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Sold the Parkview at York five years or so back, then it showed up for sale again at York maybe two years ago. Not sure where it is, but suspect in the mid Atlantic.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

lstude
11-28-2006, 04:56 AM
There is a 57 Parkview wagon on eBay now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-Studebaker-Parkview-2-Dr-Station-Wagon_W0QQitemZ110061262987QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57StudebakerParkviewwagonside.jpg


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lstude
11-28-2006, 04:56 AM
There is a 57 Parkview wagon on eBay now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-Studebaker-Parkview-2-Dr-Station-Wagon_W0QQitemZ110061262987QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6466QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/57StudebakerParkviewwagonside.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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StudeDave57
11-28-2006, 11:15 AM
That car has seen better days! [:0] I hope it goes to a good home. ;)
His production number is off just a bit~ a total of 738 were made~
14 of those went to Canada, 61 were exported elsewhere...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
11-28-2006, 11:15 AM
That car has seen better days! [:0] I hope it goes to a good home. ;)
His production number is off just a bit~ a total of 738 were made~
14 of those went to Canada, 61 were exported elsewhere...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

bob40
11-28-2006, 05:00 PM
I made a vow no more project cars.Sigh

bob40
11-28-2006, 05:00 PM
I made a vow no more project cars.Sigh

8E45E
11-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Mr. Biggs, I hate to disagree with you, but that Scotsman could've been ordered with those moldings- it was an option. I've seen a bunch of them that way, and even owned one! I also believe the '57 Scotsmen had the same grille as the other '57 sedans, not the one the '58s used that you're thinking of. It's hard to say because it seems all the Scotsmen I ever see are '58s!!! All 'factory' pictures of '57s I've seen had the regular sedan grille...

Very true, Dave. I can't say about '57's for sure, but there was definitely a 'chrome dress-up' option for '58 Scotsmans. A while ago, I got a 1958 Accessories order form (this is not the catalog, but what a Stude dealer would check off and submit when you ordered a car) on Ebay. The reason I ordered it was because of the lore surrounding what was available on a Scotsman and what supposedly wasn't. A radio WAS optional on a Scotsman, including AC-2907 signal-seeker radio, which could also be had with dual rear antennae. You had to also order AC-2915 'radio installation kit' to make it fit your Scotsman, however. Seems one could option out a Scotman a lot more than most of the showroom literature implied.

Craig.

8E45E
11-28-2006, 05:21 PM
Mr. Biggs, I hate to disagree with you, but that Scotsman could've been ordered with those moldings- it was an option. I've seen a bunch of them that way, and even owned one! I also believe the '57 Scotsmen had the same grille as the other '57 sedans, not the one the '58s used that you're thinking of. It's hard to say because it seems all the Scotsmen I ever see are '58s!!! All 'factory' pictures of '57s I've seen had the regular sedan grille...

Very true, Dave. I can't say about '57's for sure, but there was definitely a 'chrome dress-up' option for '58 Scotsmans. A while ago, I got a 1958 Accessories order form (this is not the catalog, but what a Stude dealer would check off and submit when you ordered a car) on Ebay. The reason I ordered it was because of the lore surrounding what was available on a Scotsman and what supposedly wasn't. A radio WAS optional on a Scotsman, including AC-2907 signal-seeker radio, which could also be had with dual rear antennae. You had to also order AC-2915 'radio installation kit' to make it fit your Scotsman, however. Seems one could option out a Scotman a lot more than most of the showroom literature implied.

Craig.

Roscomacaw
11-28-2006, 06:01 PM
Craig - per the parts book Grille - PN 1320376 - W,F,D,P,Y, 57G,B,H
Grille - PN1323484P -W1,F1,D1 57G

The mouldings certainly WOULD fit. Again, I rely on the book to define which models should wear them. W2-F2-D2 is the lowest trim level listed for those mouldings.
Do you have any lit to substantiate that they're a W1-F1-D1 option?[:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-28-2006, 06:01 PM
Craig - per the parts book Grille - PN 1320376 - W,F,D,P,Y, 57G,B,H
Grille - PN1323484P -W1,F1,D1 57G

The mouldings certainly WOULD fit. Again, I rely on the book to define which models should wear them. W2-F2-D2 is the lowest trim level listed for those mouldings.
Do you have any lit to substantiate that they're a W1-F1-D1 option?[:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

8E45E
11-28-2006, 07:37 PM
Do you have any lit to substantiate that they're a W1-F1-D1 option?[:I]

Hi Bob:

Here is from that Order Form. It doesn't really say as to what the 'chrome dress up kit' consisted of. Still rather interesting how an SDC judge could be caught off guard seeing a Scotsman 'fully equipped'!!

http://static.flickr.com/121/309084513_1bf70590a7_m.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/309084510_a65fbf9150.jpg?v=0


Craig


Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe


[/quote]

8E45E
11-28-2006, 07:37 PM
Do you have any lit to substantiate that they're a W1-F1-D1 option?[:I]

Hi Bob:

Here is from that Order Form. It doesn't really say as to what the 'chrome dress up kit' consisted of. Still rather interesting how an SDC judge could be caught off guard seeing a Scotsman 'fully equipped'!!

http://static.flickr.com/121/309084513_1bf70590a7_m.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/309084510_a65fbf9150.jpg?v=0


Craig


Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe


[/quote]

8E45E
11-28-2006, 10:57 PM
[quote]Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Pretty sure we have AC-2894, and it is 3 mouldings,(each side) 2 door edge guards, fuel door guard, and all the clips and hardware, templates to install it.

It does not have any 'chrome goodies' in the kit.

I know on the Deluxe Larks and '64 Challenger, the 'dress up kit' or 'appearance kit' included front and rear window trim (and a hood ornament on the '64 Challengers). As a Scotsman is very plain, the only way to 'dress' it up would be to add some chrome/stainless trim you would think. What are the three mouldings per side you are referring to? Stainless side trim?


Craig

8E45E
11-28-2006, 10:57 PM
[quote]Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Pretty sure we have AC-2894, and it is 3 mouldings,(each side) 2 door edge guards, fuel door guard, and all the clips and hardware, templates to install it.

It does not have any 'chrome goodies' in the kit.

I know on the Deluxe Larks and '64 Challenger, the 'dress up kit' or 'appearance kit' included front and rear window trim (and a hood ornament on the '64 Challengers). As a Scotsman is very plain, the only way to 'dress' it up would be to add some chrome/stainless trim you would think. What are the three mouldings per side you are referring to? Stainless side trim?


Craig

StudeDave57
11-28-2006, 11:22 PM
quote:What are the three mouldings per side you are referring to? Stainless side trim?
That'd be my guess. [^] Mike, you better not let those go, BTW... ;)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
11-28-2006, 11:22 PM
quote:What are the three mouldings per side you are referring to? Stainless side trim?
That'd be my guess. [^] Mike, you better not let those go, BTW... ;)

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Roscomacaw
11-29-2006, 01:01 AM
Well, I confess, whatever Scotsmans I've seen have been basically stark naked.[:0] And there's nothing less stimulating that a naked Scotsman![:I] Unless the viewer is a Scottish lass maybe.[:X]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-29-2006, 01:01 AM
Well, I confess, whatever Scotsmans I've seen have been basically stark naked.[:0] And there's nothing less stimulating that a naked Scotsman![:I] Unless the viewer is a Scottish lass maybe.[:X]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

bams50
11-29-2006, 05:40 AM
Wow, that's a first- someone finally find a way to use the "kisses" smiley on a Stude forum ;)

That one and the "shy" smiley are the only two I've never used...

Nice work!

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
11-29-2006, 05:40 AM
Wow, that's a first- someone finally find a way to use the "kisses" smiley on a Stude forum ;)

That one and the "shy" smiley are the only two I've never used...

Nice work!

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

8E45E
11-29-2006, 02:04 PM
[quote]Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

That AC kit would 'even' the lesser models by adding the stainless BSM's like the other models had. (Body Side Mouldings on fender, door and small one on 1/4 panel)


There was a 'scotsman' story in TW a few years back. I am sure they came up with more info than disscussed so far. MOst Scotsmans I have seen were bare bones, no options besides the essentials, probably added at the dealer. (heater, mirrors)


I remember that article on the Scotsman, and if its the same one, I've found the information contained came from only a few pieces of factory literature; not all of what was printed during the entire model year. As most everyone knows, Studebaker's marketing department changed their minds faster than the weather, and what may have been true at the beginning of the model year was revised later on. Usually these updates were found in Sales Letters to Dealers and Service Bulletins. And of course, not to mention what was 'special ordered' on certain cars in which Studebaker was only more than happy to oblige to keep the customer happy and make the sale. I remember in that same article which had accompanying contemporary road tests from Motor Life and other mags; the article stated 'automatic was not availible'on a Scotsman. The accompanying magazine article stated an automatic was on the factory option list beginning in March, 1958. I did bring that to the author's attention, and it did appear in the Recaps a month or two later.

But you are correct, most Scotsmans I have seen are indeed rather sparsely equipped, though I did see one with Twin Traction that Mark Soholt has.

Craig.

8E45E
11-29-2006, 02:04 PM
[quote]Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

That AC kit would 'even' the lesser models by adding the stainless BSM's like the other models had. (Body Side Mouldings on fender, door and small one on 1/4 panel)


There was a 'scotsman' story in TW a few years back. I am sure they came up with more info than disscussed so far. MOst Scotsmans I have seen were bare bones, no options besides the essentials, probably added at the dealer. (heater, mirrors)


I remember that article on the Scotsman, and if its the same one, I've found the information contained came from only a few pieces of factory literature; not all of what was printed during the entire model year. As most everyone knows, Studebaker's marketing department changed their minds faster than the weather, and what may have been true at the beginning of the model year was revised later on. Usually these updates were found in Sales Letters to Dealers and Service Bulletins. And of course, not to mention what was 'special ordered' on certain cars in which Studebaker was only more than happy to oblige to keep the customer happy and make the sale. I remember in that same article which had accompanying contemporary road tests from Motor Life and other mags; the article stated 'automatic was not availible'on a Scotsman. The accompanying magazine article stated an automatic was on the factory option list beginning in March, 1958. I did bring that to the author's attention, and it did appear in the Recaps a month or two later.

But you are correct, most Scotsmans I have seen are indeed rather sparsely equipped, though I did see one with Twin Traction that Mark Soholt has.

Craig.

lstude
12-03-2006, 11:19 AM
I found this "Scotsman Dress Up Kit" in the 58 Studebaker Accessory catalog.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58StudebakeraccessoriescatalogScots.jpg



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-03-2006, 11:19 AM
I found this "Scotsman Dress Up Kit" in the 58 Studebaker Accessory catalog.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/58StudebakeraccessoriescatalogScots.jpg



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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StudeDave57
12-03-2006, 01:18 PM
Nice find!!! I wonder why Studebaker used a 1957 for the photo~
Check the 'chrome turd' ornament on the hood, and the tail lights...
This picture does prove me and my 'grille theroy' for '57 wrong though- I now stand corrected!!!

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
12-03-2006, 01:18 PM
Nice find!!! I wonder why Studebaker used a 1957 for the photo~
Check the 'chrome turd' ornament on the hood, and the tail lights...
This picture does prove me and my 'grille theroy' for '57 wrong though- I now stand corrected!!!

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

lstude
12-03-2006, 01:31 PM
They also said you could get chrome headlight rims and the picture doesn't have them. I think sometimes there was a disconnect between management and the ad agency.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
12-03-2006, 01:31 PM
They also said you could get chrome headlight rims and the picture doesn't have them. I think sometimes there was a disconnect between management and the ad agency.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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StudeDave57
12-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Now that I look at the picture again I also see what look like door handle guards... [?]
Now that I think about it~ 'Angel' ('cuz she wasn't!!! ;)) my '58 Scotsman wagon had alot of options~ overdrive, electric wipers, door handle guards, door edge guards, gas door guard, and the side trim. She also had one of those under dash heaters, but not the one in your other post. Somewhere in her life she also got a set of '56 wheelcovers as well.
I often wonder what ever happened to her...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
12-03-2006, 01:48 PM
Now that I look at the picture again I also see what look like door handle guards... [?]
Now that I think about it~ 'Angel' ('cuz she wasn't!!! ;)) my '58 Scotsman wagon had alot of options~ overdrive, electric wipers, door handle guards, door edge guards, gas door guard, and the side trim. She also had one of those under dash heaters, but not the one in your other post. Somewhere in her life she also got a set of '56 wheelcovers as well.
I often wonder what ever happened to her...

StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'