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Guido
11-24-2006, 06:38 AM
I was perusing e-bay ads this morning and came across a '57 Golden Hawk with an opening bid of $750.00. This is the preview picture that appeared:
http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/79/e0/c650_12.JPG
However, this is the car that he is actually selling:
http://i21.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/79/e0/c724_12.JPG
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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

BobPalma
11-24-2006, 07:12 AM
:) Gary: Don't be too hard on our buddy Lee selling this car. I was instrumental in his buying the estate that included this car. There was considerable effort (miles, days, wintertime extraction from a cold-storage building where it had been for years) put forth getting the car accumulated to the point you see it here...not to mention straightening out the paperwork. As opposed to robbing parts from this car, Lee added parts from his stash to make it more complete than it was when we picked it up. [:0]

It is a genuine, original-engine 1957 Golden Hawk. ;) I've seen a lot worse projects resurrected without their original engines, and, as Lee says, the engine does turn and has never apparently been stuck; it might even run with a little effort! That's a big plus. The miles shown could be right. :)

Golden Hawks will likely remain the pinnacle of postwar Studebaker collector cars, so if the effort is to be put forth restoring a postwar Studebaker, one of them is the one to restore. Lee really will sell this to the highest bidder without reserve (or shills!), and he has a 100% Feedback Rating. What more could fellow hobbyists ask?

(As to his e-bay presentation: Even the worst fishermen use the most attractive bait they can find in their tackle box...and Lee has a lot of bait!!! Bait Supreme, you might say...oops, that would be BS...[:0]) :D;)[^] BP

BobPalma
11-24-2006, 07:12 AM
:) Gary: Don't be too hard on our buddy Lee selling this car. I was instrumental in his buying the estate that included this car. There was considerable effort (miles, days, wintertime extraction from a cold-storage building where it had been for years) put forth getting the car accumulated to the point you see it here...not to mention straightening out the paperwork. As opposed to robbing parts from this car, Lee added parts from his stash to make it more complete than it was when we picked it up. [:0]

It is a genuine, original-engine 1957 Golden Hawk. ;) I've seen a lot worse projects resurrected without their original engines, and, as Lee says, the engine does turn and has never apparently been stuck; it might even run with a little effort! That's a big plus. The miles shown could be right. :)

Golden Hawks will likely remain the pinnacle of postwar Studebaker collector cars, so if the effort is to be put forth restoring a postwar Studebaker, one of them is the one to restore. Lee really will sell this to the highest bidder without reserve (or shills!), and he has a 100% Feedback Rating. What more could fellow hobbyists ask?

(As to his e-bay presentation: Even the worst fishermen use the most attractive bait they can find in their tackle box...and Lee has a lot of bait!!! Bait Supreme, you might say...oops, that would be BS...[:0]) :D;)[^] BP

DilloCrafter
11-24-2006, 08:49 AM
I'm sure Lee is an honest guy, and only means well, but his use of that "what this car COULD look like" photo as the thumbnail photo and the first large photo in the listing could spell trouble for him. I predict that everyone who clicks on his listing after seeing a perfect looking Golden Hawk will feel as Guido did - shocked and somewhat tricked into looking at the listing.

Imagine you were single and in the market for a new "love of your life", so you sign up with an online dating service. You see a set of photos of potential "sweeties", and you click on this particular pretty young thing's photo, only to find it was taken 30 years ago!

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1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
11-24-2006, 08:49 AM
I'm sure Lee is an honest guy, and only means well, but his use of that "what this car COULD look like" photo as the thumbnail photo and the first large photo in the listing could spell trouble for him. I predict that everyone who clicks on his listing after seeing a perfect looking Golden Hawk will feel as Guido did - shocked and somewhat tricked into looking at the listing.

Imagine you were single and in the market for a new "love of your life", so you sign up with an online dating service. You see a set of photos of potential "sweeties", and you click on this particular pretty young thing's photo, only to find it was taken 30 years ago!

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Guido
11-24-2006, 08:55 AM
I have no problem with Lee's efforts to save the car. However, he chose a picture of something other than the vehicle being sold for the ad. As Paul says, he could use that picture to represent how the vehicle COULD look, but do not use it to represent the vehicle that is being sold.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-24-2006, 08:55 AM
I have no problem with Lee's efforts to save the car. However, he chose a picture of something other than the vehicle being sold for the ad. As Paul says, he could use that picture to represent how the vehicle COULD look, but do not use it to represent the vehicle that is being sold.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

CHAMP
11-24-2006, 09:05 AM
Lee maybe honest but that picture use seems deceptive to me.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

CHAMP
11-24-2006, 09:05 AM
Lee maybe honest but that picture use seems deceptive to me.

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

JDP
11-24-2006, 09:21 AM
I'd call it marketing, not trickery. I've seen sellers show a picture of of cute girl to sell a car part to get your interest and no one thought they were buying the girl. Sure, he baited you to take a closer look, but it worked.
He might have added a disclaimer saying "This is what the car could look like", but I don't think anyone would think they were buying the restored car for $750 with all the other pictures and accurate description.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-24-2006, 09:21 AM
I'd call it marketing, not trickery. I've seen sellers show a picture of of cute girl to sell a car part to get your interest and no one thought they were buying the girl. Sure, he baited you to take a closer look, but it worked.
He might have added a disclaimer saying "This is what the car could look like", but I don't think anyone would think they were buying the restored car for $750 with all the other pictures and accurate description.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

klifton1
11-24-2006, 10:08 AM
Didn't fool me for a min. But it sure got me to look. Good marketing.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

klifton1
11-24-2006, 10:08 AM
Didn't fool me for a min. But it sure got me to look. Good marketing.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

53k
11-24-2006, 11:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I'd call it marketing, not trickery. I've seen sellers show a picture of of cute girl to sell a car part to get your interest and no one thought they were buying the girl. Sure, he baited you to take a closer look, but it worked.
He might have added a disclaimer saying "This is what the car could look like", but I don't think anyone would think they were buying the restored car for $750 with all the other pictures and accurate description.
JDP
Arnold Md.

Lee has already amended his listing-
"Apparently, there are some out there who think I am using deception and trickery in this advertisment. Just to make sure everyone out there is clear on this auction, the picture of the beautifully restored 1957 Golden Hawk is NOT the car you are buying. It is simply a representation of what the car shown in the other 23 could look like after restoration.
If you honestly thought you could buy that car for a $750 starting bid, with no reserve, I want to take the same meds you are!
Thanks again for looking and if you have any questions about the car, feel free to contact me."



[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
11-24-2006, 11:49 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

I'd call it marketing, not trickery. I've seen sellers show a picture of of cute girl to sell a car part to get your interest and no one thought they were buying the girl. Sure, he baited you to take a closer look, but it worked.
He might have added a disclaimer saying "This is what the car could look like", but I don't think anyone would think they were buying the restored car for $750 with all the other pictures and accurate description.
JDP
Arnold Md.

Lee has already amended his listing-
"Apparently, there are some out there who think I am using deception and trickery in this advertisment. Just to make sure everyone out there is clear on this auction, the picture of the beautifully restored 1957 Golden Hawk is NOT the car you are buying. It is simply a representation of what the car shown in the other 23 could look like after restoration.
If you honestly thought you could buy that car for a $750 starting bid, with no reserve, I want to take the same meds you are!
Thanks again for looking and if you have any questions about the car, feel free to contact me."



[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

kurtruk
11-24-2006, 01:35 PM
A bit deceptive to me, too.

What amazes me is how much it looks like the scale model Motor City (?) junk/project car being sold. Maybe someone could post a pic of that and see how much they resemble one another.

KURTRUK

kurtruk
11-24-2006, 01:35 PM
A bit deceptive to me, too.

What amazes me is how much it looks like the scale model Motor City (?) junk/project car being sold. Maybe someone could post a pic of that and see how much they resemble one another.

KURTRUK

studeclunker
11-24-2006, 02:27 PM
If a disclaimer is utilized, there is something wrong with the ad. But then again, where does 'truth in advertising' have any place in the modern world? Posting this picture so that it's the first accessed, is false advertising. No matter how well intentioned. Ethics gentlemen, ethics...

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Lotsa Larks!
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Ron Smith

studeclunker
11-24-2006, 02:27 PM
If a disclaimer is utilized, there is something wrong with the ad. But then again, where does 'truth in advertising' have any place in the modern world? Posting this picture so that it's the first accessed, is false advertising. No matter how well intentioned. Ethics gentlemen, ethics...

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/54wagonblue-2.jpghttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Studeclunker/studebaby/red54wagon-1.jpg
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

daytona62
11-24-2006, 03:52 PM
<center>You guys are too funny! </center>

I have to thank John and Bob for standing up for my ethics or, as some of you feel, lack thereof. The ad was not meant as deceptive but was designed to put the car's best foot forward and what could be achieved with time and effort.

The next time someone lists something you don't like, it would be nice if you were to address the seller directly so he could get the ad up to YOUR standards rather than slandering him in a public forum. The Studebaker community is a small place, made even smaller by our on-line capabilities, and comments like the ones I have read here do nothing but breed discontent and chase potential new members away.

There are some truly deceptive and misrepresented cars and ads out there and I have been taken by some of the best of them. I don't see this ad as being in that category. If you feel I totally lied to you and wasted 15 seconds of your life by 'tricking' you into looking at the ad, I apologize. I also hope that none of you ever buy anything I put on auction as I'd hate to sell you an NOS or used part that does not 'live up to your standards'.

daytona62
11-24-2006, 03:52 PM
<center>You guys are too funny! </center>

I have to thank John and Bob for standing up for my ethics or, as some of you feel, lack thereof. The ad was not meant as deceptive but was designed to put the car's best foot forward and what could be achieved with time and effort.

The next time someone lists something you don't like, it would be nice if you were to address the seller directly so he could get the ad up to YOUR standards rather than slandering him in a public forum. The Studebaker community is a small place, made even smaller by our on-line capabilities, and comments like the ones I have read here do nothing but breed discontent and chase potential new members away.

There are some truly deceptive and misrepresented cars and ads out there and I have been taken by some of the best of them. I don't see this ad as being in that category. If you feel I totally lied to you and wasted 15 seconds of your life by 'tricking' you into looking at the ad, I apologize. I also hope that none of you ever buy anything I put on auction as I'd hate to sell you an NOS or used part that does not 'live up to your standards'.

arkiejazz
11-24-2006, 04:03 PM
Lee, I wouldn't worry about it. Your disclaimer shouldn't have even been necessary, but since you included it I say case closed.

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

arkiejazz
11-24-2006, 04:03 PM
Lee, I wouldn't worry about it. Your disclaimer shouldn't have even been necessary, but since you included it I say case closed.

steve blake
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http://tinyurl.com/l7oqh

Guido
11-24-2006, 05:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by daytona62

The ad was not meant as deceptive but was designed to put the car's best foot forward and what could be achieved with time and effort.

Unfortunately, one would not see any of the car depicted with the listing when they clicked on the ad. I am in no way against trying to draw attention to an item that is for sale, but to picture a totally different vehicle in much better condition is akin to the old bait and switch.

I would not have a problem if a real image of the vehicle had been depicted and a restored version used for comparison, but the vehicle pictured is not the one for sale. Sure you can argue that you couldn't get such a vehicle for $750.00 but there are many people who list with low opening bids to generate interest and then have a reserve.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-24-2006, 05:19 PM
quote:Originally posted by daytona62

The ad was not meant as deceptive but was designed to put the car's best foot forward and what could be achieved with time and effort.

Unfortunately, one would not see any of the car depicted with the listing when they clicked on the ad. I am in no way against trying to draw attention to an item that is for sale, but to picture a totally different vehicle in much better condition is akin to the old bait and switch.

I would not have a problem if a real image of the vehicle had been depicted and a restored version used for comparison, but the vehicle pictured is not the one for sale. Sure you can argue that you couldn't get such a vehicle for $750.00 but there are many people who list with low opening bids to generate interest and then have a reserve.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

mbstude
11-24-2006, 05:24 PM
Here's my Motor City 1:18 scale project car.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071110.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071052.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071040.jpg

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-24-2006, 05:24 PM
Here's my Motor City 1:18 scale project car.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071110.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071052.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/061124071040.jpg

_____________________________________

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

Swifster
11-25-2006, 07:59 PM
I find this to be excellent marketing for a car that might not get that much interest. There are a lot of ways to get attention and this is one of them. This is Ebay, internet land of oppotunity. The description doesn't lie. I've seen better cars with unlisted warts that were not discussed. That to me, is deceptive.

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

Swifster
11-25-2006, 07:59 PM
I find this to be excellent marketing for a car that might not get that much interest. There are a lot of ways to get attention and this is one of them. This is Ebay, internet land of oppotunity. The description doesn't lie. I've seen better cars with unlisted warts that were not discussed. That to me, is deceptive.

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

JDP
11-25-2006, 08:14 PM
I have used pictures of Dave's Sheba to show what is possible and used a factory photo once or twice with a project car. With a car as rough as the one Lee listed, you almost need a done car to show what the car looks like. If anything, Lee might have added a note that the car for sale is not the one pictured, but to me, it reminds me of the disclaimers on a car commercial that says. "car does not operate under water.:)

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-25-2006, 08:14 PM
I have used pictures of Dave's Sheba to show what is possible and used a factory photo once or twice with a project car. With a car as rough as the one Lee listed, you almost need a done car to show what the car looks like. If anything, Lee might have added a note that the car for sale is not the one pictured, but to me, it reminds me of the disclaimers on a car commercial that says. "car does not operate under water.:)

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-26-2006, 01:45 PM
Looks like Lee sold it to the high bidder once it went over 4K. I've done the same more then once if the bidders go nuts.

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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-26-2006, 01:45 PM
Looks like Lee sold it to the high bidder once it went over 4K. I've done the same more then once if the bidders go nuts.

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
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My Ebay Items
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64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

daytona62
11-26-2006, 03:31 PM
Yes, I ended the auction early and sold it to the high bidder.

He called me this morning and we spent 45 minutes on the phone. I stood next to the car and walked around it several times answering all his questions and adding all the things I saw that he did not ask me about. After asking him a dozen times if he was SURE this was the car he wanted, I agreed to end the auction with him as high bidder. I also kept asking him if he understood what it would take to get it back together and how much time and money it would take to do it... His claim was, "I'm originally from Michigan and know just how bad the rust can be up in your area". To the car's credit, it does have exceptional hog troughs and the doors close solidly, with no quiver from the cowl or B-pillars.

What is REALLY the kicker on this deal is that he is driving in to pick it up in a couple weeks from CALIFORNIA! I told him he was nuts and I didn't expect the car to bring over $1500 but he assured me this was THE car he wanted and was happy with the price.... go figure....

daytona62
11-26-2006, 03:31 PM
Yes, I ended the auction early and sold it to the high bidder.

He called me this morning and we spent 45 minutes on the phone. I stood next to the car and walked around it several times answering all his questions and adding all the things I saw that he did not ask me about. After asking him a dozen times if he was SURE this was the car he wanted, I agreed to end the auction with him as high bidder. I also kept asking him if he understood what it would take to get it back together and how much time and money it would take to do it... His claim was, "I'm originally from Michigan and know just how bad the rust can be up in your area". To the car's credit, it does have exceptional hog troughs and the doors close solidly, with no quiver from the cowl or B-pillars.

What is REALLY the kicker on this deal is that he is driving in to pick it up in a couple weeks from CALIFORNIA! I told him he was nuts and I didn't expect the car to bring over $1500 but he assured me this was THE car he wanted and was happy with the price.... go figure....

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:35 PM
That IS incredible![:0] But hey - whatever it takes to float one's boat. If it puts another Stude back on the road it's only a good thing in the end.[^]

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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-26-2006, 03:35 PM
That IS incredible![:0] But hey - whatever it takes to float one's boat. If it puts another Stude back on the road it's only a good thing in the end.[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

JDP
11-26-2006, 04:19 PM
Funny think about values, they are not based on what you think the car is worth,or your budget, it's what it's worth to the buyer. I just exchanged a few e-mails with three forum members asking about Rose, the 64 Daytona. Many buyers figure since I paid $3050 for the car, a fair price would be 4K.
Ignoring the fact that I have maybe a $1000 in parts and 50 hours of labor in the car, I set my asking price based on what I think the market for the car is, not my total investment in csah.
Like Lee, the market has shocked me a few times, on more then one occassion I've had cars go for double what I expected. Once no one believed the 25K bid on a restored 57 Golden Hawk I sold, but I'd buy it back today for 35K in a New York minute.:)

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JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
11-26-2006, 04:19 PM
Funny think about values, they are not based on what you think the car is worth,or your budget, it's what it's worth to the buyer. I just exchanged a few e-mails with three forum members asking about Rose, the 64 Daytona. Many buyers figure since I paid $3050 for the car, a fair price would be 4K.
Ignoring the fact that I have maybe a $1000 in parts and 50 hours of labor in the car, I set my asking price based on what I think the market for the car is, not my total investment in csah.
Like Lee, the market has shocked me a few times, on more then one occassion I've had cars go for double what I expected. Once no one believed the 25K bid on a restored 57 Golden Hawk I sold, but I'd buy it back today for 35K in a New York minute.:)

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
JDP
Arnold Md.
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
My Ebay Items
http://www.stude.com/EBAY/

64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Hawk
52 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

raprice
11-27-2006, 12:51 PM
I dunno, all it seems to need is a compounding and a waxing (lol).
Rog
:D

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
11-27-2006, 12:51 PM
I dunno, all it seems to need is a compounding and a waxing (lol).
Rog
:D

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop