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Anne F. Goodman
11-23-2006, 01:54 PM
I have to overhaul the engine in 1949 Champion this winter. Using oil etc. Want to switch to 1955 6 . What kind of problems could I run into. Will the oil pan & stuff fit to switch parts from one to another? Also Anyone know of the bigger 6 for sale in the Fresno,CA area. Thanks in advance. Oh we will be keeping it Stude powered. Just want a little more Stude Power.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion
Gus 1958 Transtar

Roscomacaw
11-23-2006, 03:12 PM
Anne, it should be an EASY swap. Yeah, pan and everything else would swap just fine. I don't KNOW of a 185 locally, but we should be able to scare one up eventually.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

raprice
11-23-2006, 03:37 PM
I agree. Externally, the engines are identical.
Hope your Thanksgiving was great.
Rog:)

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

StudeDave57
11-23-2006, 03:56 PM
As mine are V8s (or have NO motor)~ I'm just wondering~ [?]

Why a '55? My guess is that you already have one... Would you be interrested in a '63 OHV? Just let me know, it ought not need much~ Dad (StudeRich) can tell you all about it...


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

Dwain G.
11-23-2006, 04:22 PM
After the 185 came out in 1955 it also became the service replacement engine for earlier models, and the 170 was dropped. The factory put together three different conversion packages of extra parts needed to install these engines in various vehicles.
For instance, the 1949 rear plate won't fit the '55 engine, and earlier oil pans will not fit the 185. Whether or not the oil pan currently on this '55 engine will clear the '49 steering I'm not sure.

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Dwain G.

Anne F. Goodman
11-23-2006, 05:50 PM
The reason I said a 55 was my son's car had one we sold it about two years ago. I just wanted an easy swap with more power. So yes I need an engine 6 best deal. Let me know. Thanks Guys

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion
Gus 1958 Transtar

DilloCrafter
11-23-2006, 06:01 PM
What about that truck Mr. Biggs took some parts off of in a junkyard? Didn't he say it had a Commander Six? Or is that not an easy swap with a Champion Six? Are you getting tired of seeing a question mark at the end of every sentence I write?

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1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
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Deep in the heart of Texas

mbstude
11-23-2006, 06:39 PM
If you put a Commander 6 in a Champion, it really wouldn't be a true Champion then. :)

Also, I think the 185 was used from 1955 to 1958, although I could be wrong.

We have a 1955 185 in our shop with a rod knocking. It was in the '52 Champ when we got it. It now has a 170 from another '59 Scotsman truck. We have plans to rebuild it. If the 170 in my '59 truck ever goes, there'll be a spare! With 2 carbs, oh yeah! [:p]
We really have no other cars to put it in. Everything else runs fine.

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Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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mbstude
11-23-2006, 06:40 PM
I wished you had've saved that rust free cab Biggs... [V] Something us over here in Georgia would love to have. :)

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Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, Georgia
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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Roscomacaw
11-23-2006, 07:26 PM
Dillo,

That truck is LONG crushed and shredded. Besides, that Big 6 wouldn't shoehorn into that Champion very easy. [:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

rockne10
11-23-2006, 10:19 PM
Agree! The Commander front clips were longer through 1950 because the engine was longer. I suppose it could be done if you moved the radiator to the trunk. Anne has the right idea. A 185 in place of the 170 is a no-brainer, if one is available. I thought they were used for several years.[?]


Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
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previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

Anne F. Goodman
11-24-2006, 12:13 AM
Thanks Guys for all of your help. So I will be patiently waiting for someone to come forward with a overhaulable 185. Because we could overhaul my existing engine but I will go through really bad Stude withdrawals not having one to drive for a few weeks. Guys I don't think I could make it. I drive mine daily not that it is my only car its by far my favorite. My poor ol 69 El Camino just sits there, I've driven it for 25 years. Anyhow thanks for your help.

Mabel 1949 Champion
1957 Silverhawk
1955 Champion
Gus 1958 Transtar

CHAMP
11-24-2006, 07:43 AM
The 185 gets it's bigger cubic inches by a longer stroke. I would think you could bore the 170 out and wind up somewhere near the same cubic inches with a larger cylinder bore. I know that would take a little longer. If you can't find a 185 it might be easier to find a 170 engine and rebuild it with larger pistons. Just thought I would throw some other options at you. It's supposed to be a nice day here in Maryland, I think my Studebaker out today for a drivr! Have a great Studebaker day!!![8D]

GARY H 2DR.SEDAN 48 STUDEBAKER CHAMPION NORTHEAST MD.

royvaldez
11-24-2006, 10:06 AM
Hey guys, I have a 185 stude motor. Currently, the motor is apart. The crank does not need any machining. If you need to look at motor contact me on my cell 530-320-6299. I live east of Placerville, Ca. Will trade for front grill and driver side fender for a 1949 stude truck 2r5. You can take an have checked if you want before you trade for parts.