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Kdancy
08-15-2006, 07:16 PM
I am going to build an engine cradle to haul a Stude V-8 with everything on it. Thought I'd check first and see if anyone has pics or suggestions from one they have already built. I'm thinking that 2" with 1/4 wall should be minimum ?

Alan
08-15-2006, 09:06 PM
kdancy, I have built a number of them and use 1 1/2" square X .080" wall tube. The only thing I have found is to use the urethane casters rather then the steel or cast iron ones it is easier to push around. If you would like I could post a pic.

Kdancy
08-15-2006, 09:53 PM
Alan,
Yes, please post the pics or e-mail them to me. Just want to make sure I make the mounting points right. Use the front motor mount areas and the rear bellhousing mount surface? What point do you use if bellhousing is either off or on engine?

PackardV8
08-15-2006, 10:19 PM
Since the Studebaker V8 is heavier everywhere than it needs to be, by all means, use 1/4" wall tubing. (.080" or .125" will hold a Stude V8, but then it wouldn't feel right.)

Do you want a stand just for storage, for actually running in an engine, or for working on it? If you are going to use it just for transport, a wooden cradle with a pallet on the bottom is the best and easiest. I take a small, sturdy pallet and use common construction grade 2x4s to make a frame as wide as the pan rails and high enough to have the pan clear the pallet by a couple of inches. Make it long enough to protect the fan, if that is installed. This way, it can be loaded by a fork lift, pallet jack or the engine hoisted up and set down on the pallet in the truck bed. Freight companies won't touch anything with casters or wheels on it for obvious reasons.

If you are building it to work on the engine, I have one which supports the engine at both ends I like much better than the one-legged design sold today.

If you are building it to run in the engine, I just finished a full scale test stand and I can post photos of that.




PackardV8

JDP
08-15-2006, 10:38 PM
I built a test stand in a hour or so useing a cut down front and rear X member tied togeather with angle iron.

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Kdancy
08-16-2006, 07:13 AM
quote:Originally posted by PackardV8

Since the Studebaker V8 is heavier everywhere than it needs to be, by all means, use 1/4" wall tubing. (.080" or .125" will hold a Stude V8, but then it wouldn't feel right.)

Do you want a stand just for storage, for actually running in an engine, or for working on it? If you are going to use it just for transport, a wooden cradle with a pallet on the bottom is the best and easiest. I take a small, sturdy pallet and use common construction grade 2x4s to make a frame as wide as the pan rails and high enough to have the pan clear the pallet by a couple of inches. Make it long enough to protect the fan, if that is installed. This way, it can be loaded by a fork lift, pallet jack or the engine hoisted up and set down on the pallet in the truck bed. Freight companies won't touch anything with casters or wheels on it for obvious reasons.

If you are building it to work on the engine, I have one which supports the engine at both ends I like much better than the one-legged design sold today.

If you are building it to run in the engine, I just finished a full scale test stand and I can post photos of that.




PackardV8


Yes PackardV8, please post the photos. This cradle will be used for transport and for storage. I would also like to build a test stand as well --

stude53
08-16-2006, 12:00 PM
kdancy,
Here is a site that shows a neat test stand, with dimensional drawings that may be a help.
http://www.mightymount.com/MMTechInfo.htm
[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
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Newton Grove, NC

Roscomacaw
08-16-2006, 12:16 PM
I cut the front section of a Champ truck frame off, just behind the second crossmember. Then I used some channel steel to make legs. Onto the legs, I welded some Harbor Freight casters with pneumatic tires. I"ve used this "fixture" test fire engines and as a handy mount while dialing in bellhousings.;)
Of course, you could do the same with a car frame section. Waste not, want not.[^]

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1953 Commander coupe
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Roscomacaw
08-16-2006, 02:45 PM
Here's a photo of a cradle that came to me with the acquisition of an engine awhile back. I didn't design it, but it works right nice. It had casters on the outrigger legs but I took them off so I could use it to haul an engine to StudeKen's place.
It's just some 2X4s and some bits of 3/8ths ply. The notch on the one siderail is for the dipstick tube.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/906179/1156148366703_Engcradle.jpg

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1960 Larkvertible V8
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1953 Commander coupe
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1955 President State
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1963 Daytona project FS

JDP
08-16-2006, 06:00 PM
Here's my two:
http://stude.com/Tstand.jpg
http://stude.com/Sstand.jpg

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Guido
08-16-2006, 10:04 PM
JDP,

Don't use a 6 blade fan on that test stand, or the whole unit is likely to start into taxi mode down your driveway in an attempt to get airborne! :D

Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

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JDP
08-16-2006, 11:58 PM
A R1 engine will lift a wheel when you rev it.

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63 Avanti R2/4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
56 Power Hawk/4 speed/289
52 Starliner
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Kdancy
08-17-2006, 06:57 AM
All good info! I will probably build a version of both types (static and test) cradles.

bams50
08-17-2006, 01:50 PM
Nice, John!! I could build the stands, but to get them to tell me what they are like yours........[:0]

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Kdancy
08-18-2006, 09:49 AM
Okay,
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/studehdtp53/c842bdd6.jpg

based on all your info, I built this one yesterday
out of 2x 1/4"T square tubing. I left the ends open
so that I could insert a radiator panel on one end
and a "dash" panel on the other end for engine start
up and running. Now I am going to build a couple
using 1.5" square tubing for setting an engine on
without the bellhousing.


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dclewallen
08-18-2006, 01:24 PM
JDP, Is your static stand designed for an engine with the trans attached? If not, I can't picture how the rear of the block is supported. Thanks,

Darryl C. Lewallen Clarkesville, Ga.

JDP
08-18-2006, 01:32 PM
Gez, you did a great job. If you built a few more, you could resell a few I'm sure.

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63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
56 Power Hawk/4 speed/289
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
08-18-2006, 01:34 PM
It mounts the stick shift bell housing on the rear brace.

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63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2/4 speed
62 Lark 2 door
62 GT(parts car)
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
56 Power Hawk/4 speed/289
52 Starliner
51 Commander

studebaker-R2-4-me
08-02-2007, 02:57 PM
Thanks for the inspiration. The paint is barely dry but I've been wanting to build an engine cradle since the York swap meet. The Atlanta's finest garbage men took the last one.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/studebaker-r2-4-me/IMGP0101.jpg
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http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/studebaker-r2-4-me/IMGP0104.jpg

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o278/studebaker-r2-4-me/IMGP0100.jpg

Now I can start adding all the parts.







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