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studeclunker
11-05-2008, 04:07 PM
This is a cry for help. I desparately need a starter for Bess and or Ed. Both of mine are dead, again.

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Roscomacaw
11-05-2008, 04:20 PM
Are they stick or auto?

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sals54
11-05-2008, 05:06 PM
Ron. I'm in Sacramento and I have several V8 starters laying around here. Let me know what you need.

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bams50
11-05-2008, 06:03 PM
Ron, are there no rebuilders anywhere near you? Those places can usually make everything new for not much money and guarantee it, with quick turnaround. Most starters are pretty similar inside, and they probably have anything it would need on hand.

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studeclunker
11-05-2008, 10:59 PM
I've tried to get the rebuilder here in Redding to do these starters. He's refused twice.

Both Bess and Ed have 259 V8s.

I'd prefer a starter for a '56. It seems to work better with both motors. The '64 starter keeps eating up the gear. However, the '56 starter has a broken lead (the thin copper bands inside). I called Studebakers West and, well... they're a bit expensive. Besides, they don't have any in stock. The brushes in both starters look good and they spin quite well. That is, when I can get them to work.[B)][8]

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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

george o
11-06-2008, 07:17 AM
He might not be any less expensive, but have you tried Dave Thebault(sp) he seem to always have a lot if these types of things at the shows. He advertises in turning wheels and it probably at Reedsville today.

Take Care

George o

rusty nut garage
11-06-2008, 08:43 AM
I'd suggest you look for another rebuilder. Curious as to why he'd refuse to rebuild these. These are very common and nothing special or complicated by an electrical shop.
You have more than 1 stude you should have a spare and when yours goes down you have one in stock BTDT


[quote]Originally posted by studeclunker

[font=Comic Sans MS][size=3]I've tried to get the rebuilder here in Redding to do these starters. He's refused twice.



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studeclunker
11-06-2008, 10:53 AM
Fellas, Redding isn't Los Angeles. It isn't even like San Fransisco or Sacramento. We have but one rebuilder here who does this kind of thing (that I know of) and he's refused twice to do my starters. The attitude of a lot of businessmen around here is that they're retired or the only act in town and they do what they want and won't what they don't.[8]

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Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Dick Steinkamp
11-06-2008, 11:01 AM
Clunk,

A google search returns 10 auto electric repair places in Redding. Give Fred Cook a buzz. He'll let you know the best one.


Aaaa Auto Repair
(530) 722-1105 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 20048 Viking Way
Redding, CA Map


Angelo's European Specialty
(530) 722-0805 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 2428 Victor Ave
Redding, CA Map


Craig's Alternator Svc
(530) 246-2747 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 6841 Eastside Rd # F
Redding, CA Map


Earl's Auto Electric
(530) 243-5000 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 931 Butte St
Redding, CA Map


G & T Auto Electric
(530) 243-5050 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 774 Twin View Blvd
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Goodyear's Auto Electric
(530) 223-0670 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 5490 Churn Creek Rd
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Nicholls Auto Svc
(530) 223-4469 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 20307 Charlanne Dr
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Northern California Charging
(530) 243-8810 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 1410 Beltline Rd # 6
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R-T Auto Repair
(530) 241-1186 See reviews on Yahoo! Local 1030 Lake Blvd
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Tom Bryant's Automotive
(530) 222-3313 Web Site See reviews on Yahoo! Local 2354 Churn Creek Rd
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Dick Steinkamp
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studeclunker
11-06-2008, 11:07 AM
Good morning Dick. Since you've gone to such trouble, I'll try calling them again. Yes, I have a phone book too.;) It's just getting these people past the word 'Studebaker'.

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K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

vegas paul
11-06-2008, 11:47 AM
Try giving them the words Autolite or Prestolite or Delco, (or whatever the mfg. is for your starter) don't mention Studebaker, it makes no difference to them from an electrical standpoint.

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63larkcustom
11-06-2008, 01:32 PM
I've found that to be true too.. Ask for the mfgr p/n on the part and they seem to readily want to help. Say Studebaker and they have an automatic, we don't have those response.

gordr
11-06-2008, 01:58 PM
Ron, you failed to tell us whether Bess and Ed have automatic or standard transmissions. The starters are different, the automatic using a longer "snout" on the drive end. Search this site, and I think you'll locate pictures.

Since you say one starter keeps chewing up the gear, it sounds to me like there is a parts mis-match somewhere. Since Studebaker parts are so readily interchangeable, it's possible to match up parts that actually aren't intended to work together. Six-volt cars used flywheels with a coarser tooth pitch on the ring gear. If a six-volt flywheel were mated with a 12-volt starter, or vice versa, the combination "might" work, but the wear rate on one or both gears would be terrific. Alternatively, you might be chewing up the starter gear by using an automatic starter on a manual tranny car.

If you DO have mismatched parts, simply replacing something that goes bad with another of the same won't fix the underlying problem.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

PlainBrownR2
11-06-2008, 04:13 PM
It's certainly worked for us not mentioning Studebaker when we had our alternators and a starter rebuilt. Until late, we took our Prestolite 35 and 40 amp alternators to a little place here that repairs farm implement equipment. This is of course after calling them and asking them if they repaired Prestolites and Autolites. The first thing they would say is "Oh, tractor alternator [:o)]". For around 85 bucks we had em repaired, for around 110 we had them look almost like new:). Shop around, you'd be surprised, you really would, as this equipment is not limited to just Studebakers.

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StudeRich
11-06-2008, 08:04 PM
OR...a non-factory matched (dialed-in) Engine and Bellhousing combination! :(


quote:Originally posted by gordr

/Cut/Since you say one starter keeps chewing up the gear, it sounds to me like there is a parts mis-match somewhere. Since Studebaker parts are so readily interchangeable, it's possible to match up parts that actually aren't intended to work together./Cut/

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

studeclunker
11-06-2008, 11:47 PM
Sorry Gord. They're both manuals. The starters for both motors are matched to them.

The difference is the sixty-four. The bellhousing and flywheel came off a dead sixty-four and onto a rebuilt motor. Yes, I'm sure the problem is a non-dialed-in bellhousing. However, since I don't have the tools and all the local mechanics do is give me stupid looks when I ask them to do it, such hasn't been done. I'll have to take it almost two hundred miles to a mechanic in Medford Or. to get the bell housing dialed in.

The '56's starter is just plain broken. If the electrical pickup could be fixed, the thing would work like new. I just don't know how to go about it. By the by, the '56 starter works better on the '64 motor than the '64 starter does!

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Home of the famous Mr. Ed!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith
Where the heck is Lewiston, CA?

Roscomacaw
11-07-2008, 11:38 AM
Well, Sal's offered. If he hasn't got one, I MAY have one. I say "may" because most of mine are for automatics. Of course, you could just swap the nose housing off of yours. You'd have to pick up the shipping tho.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door