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Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 03:47 PM
Making progress, but continue to run into snags and surprises.

Brian Curtis came over yesterday and we bled the brakes, found and fixed all the leaks, installed the emergency brake system, throttle linkage, drive shaft, loosely put the front sheet metal together and maybe 10 other things. It helps to have another pair of hands...especially an expert pair like Brian's.

It's looking more like a car...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend012.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend013.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend001.jpg

The paint's not buffed out yet, so the rest of the sheet metal assembly will have to wait for that.

Dash is in...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend006.jpg

The green top part ties in exactly to the painted sill on the doors.

You can barely see BondoBill's S/N decal on the door post. The devil is in the details [^].

Still looking for a 53-55 C/K V8 shroud.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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StudeRich
11-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I think with that low '53-'54 hood you are going to need a '53-'55 Commander/President V-8 Shroud Dick, the '56-'64 Hawk type will not fit!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 03:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I think with that low '53-'54 hood you are going to need a '53-'55 Commander/President V-8 Shroud Dick, the '56-'64 Hawk type will not fit!



Oops...you're right, Rich. Typo. I've corrected it.


Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Chris Pile
11-02-2008, 05:00 PM
Looking promising, Dick!
I know it's gonna be killer!

Chris Pile
Midway Chapter SDC
The Studebaker Special

sweetolbob
11-02-2008, 05:21 PM
Dick - The Ute looks great. The finish just gleams. Just a thought, The shroud looks like it belongs and represents a ton of work. Why not shorten the fan blades to clear for the show. It only needs to be driven on and off the floor. That would give you time to do it differently afterwards. Can't imagine it would be noticed by most folks. Bob

JDP
11-02-2008, 06:15 PM
I just got a shroud today, N8 thinks it's early.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

N8N
11-02-2008, 06:38 PM
It is but I'm 99.44% sure that it is sedan. Compare it with my car to be sure though.

the shroud on the left looks right, too bad it is trimmed. JDP's looks like the one on the right.

Dick, I see you have a hole in the floor, is that going to have a floor shift? did you see where I showed you how to use a 4-speed collar and keep your early steering wheel?

It does look really good, keep up the good work...

nate

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Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 06:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

2 shrouds in my shop. The one on the left is 'unknown' and appears to be trimmed .



The left one is REALLY trimmed [:0].

Do you know what the one on the right is from, Mike? It looks like a C/K. If it is an early C/K, the distance between the mounting holes should be about 11".



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 06:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by sweetolbob

Dick - The Ute looks great. The finish just gleams. Just a thought, The shroud looks like it belongs and represents a ton of work. Why not shorten the fan blades to clear for the show. It only needs to be driven on and off the floor. That would give you time to do it differently afterwards. Can't imagine it would be noticed by most folks. Bob


I think that's what I will do, Bob. StudeRich surfaced a 15" 6 cylinder fan and I was just at his place and picked it up. I test fitted it and it fits nicely in my current shroud. I want to go ahead and get the correct shroud so I can run the correct fan, but the pressure is off. If I have enough time prior to the show, I'll prep and paint the shroud and do the switch. If not, I'll do it after the show.

Great minds.... [^]

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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BobPalma
11-02-2008, 06:53 PM
:) Dick: I guess I missed something in the discussion. What is wrong with the fan shroud now on the car? [8D]BP

Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 06:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N


Dick, I see you have a hole in the floor, is that going to have a floor shift? did you see where I showed you how to use a 4-speed collar and keep your early steering wheel?



Gord built me a T-86 OD with a Jeep (Bronco?) floor shift conversion. That's what will be in the car. Quite in keeping with the old skool theme [8D].

Actually I used a stock collar. I shaved it and filled it. It looks factory and I get to keep the stock steering wheel.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dick Steinkamp
11-02-2008, 07:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Dick: I guess I missed something in the discussion. What is wrong with the fan shroud now on the car? [8D]BP


I believe it is a 6 cylinder shroud...still a 53-55 C/K, but offset to the right slightly for the 6 cylinder water pump. The stock 17" fan doesn't clear.

I told of the problem over on the Tech forum here...

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23623

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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N8N
11-02-2008, 07:05 PM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by N8N


Dick, I see you have a hole in the floor, is that going to have a floor shift? did you see where I showed you how to use a 4-speed collar and keep your early steering wheel?



Gord built me a T-86 OD with a Jeep (Bronco?) floor shift conversion. That's what will be in the car. Quite in keeping with the old skool theme [8D].

Actually I used a stock collar. I shaved it and filled it. It looks factory and I get to keep the stock steering wheel.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA


That works too. You could have used the 4-speed/powershift collar by drilling two holes in an early 3-speed turn signal switch housing as well (less work,) but if'n you already shaved it, might as well use it.

nate



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sweetolbob
11-02-2008, 08:23 PM
Dick, It may be to late but item #220301767767 on Ebay may be what you want. Don't think it will sell so you may be able to contact the seller. Bob

gordr
11-02-2008, 08:32 PM
The Ute is looking great, Dick. I just arrived at the wellsite last night, but I should be home on the next weekend, if all goes well here. I have a fair number of fans at home that I could look through.

Whatever fan you use, go over it with a fine-tooth comb and a big magnifying glass, to ensure that it has no cracks around the rivets. It'd be a shame to have a fan blade fly off and mess up that beautiful paint, or worse, you!

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

8E45E
11-02-2008, 08:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

The Ute is looking great, Dick. I just arrived at the wellsite last night, but I should be home on the next weekend, if all goes well here.


I take it you will not be at the meeting on Tuesday??

Craig

mbstude
11-02-2008, 08:52 PM
Dick, that engine is the best looking Stude engine I've seen. I love it!

Very nice. [8D]

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
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Dick Steinkamp
11-03-2008, 12:44 AM
quote:Originally posted by gordr
I have a fair number of fans at home that I could look through.




Thanks, Gord. I got a 15 incher from Studerich and it fits. It is at least a temporary solution until I find the right shroud.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dick Steinkamp
11-03-2008, 12:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

Dick, that engine is the best looking Stude engine I've seen. I love it!



Thanks, Matthew. I should get the carbs, air cleaners, throttle linkage, etc. on it this week to finish if off.

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dick Steinkamp
11-03-2008, 12:46 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
Wish I were closer, Dick... I'm the best man with a buffer I know...


I wish you were closer too, Dave...but then we'd probably get in WAY too much trouble [}:)] :D

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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StudeMann
11-03-2008, 03:30 PM
Dick,

I have been watching your progress on the Ute with much interest. It's looking great!

One thing occurred to me when I saw the first 2 photos in this thread. It would be very nice to have the green flow through from the nose to tail. Just my opinion, but the black appears a little 'jarring' amidst all the subtle tones of the rest of the car. What effect would painting the top tank of the radiator to match the body & fan shroud have on the cooling? Of course the radiator core and bottom tank would remain black but I wonder whether the top tank needs to be black.

For what it's worth, there's my 2 cents.

Keep up the incredible work!

Cheers,

Jim

"Ahh, a bear in his natural habitat...a Studebaker!"
Fozzie Bear in 'The Muppet Movie'

51 Land Cruiser (Elsie)
Jim Mann
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

studegary
11-03-2008, 03:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeMann

Dick,

I have been watching your progress on the Ute with much interest. It's looking great!

One thing occurred to me when I saw the first 2 photos in this thread. It would be very nice to have the green flow through from the nose to tail. Just my opinion, but the black appears a little 'jarring' amidst all the subtle tones of the rest of the car. What effect would painting the top tank of the radiator to match the body & fan shroud have on the cooling? Of course the radiator core and bottom tank would remain black but I wonder whether the top tank needs to be black.

For what it's worth, there's my 2 cents.

Keep up the incredible work!

Cheers,

Jim




Flat black paint on the top tank does help a little, but is not necessary. It was quite common on 1950s customs to polish the top tank for the look. I drove my 1949 Mercury with a polished top tank for many years with no noticeable difference in cooling.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Dick Steinkamp
11-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Jim and Gary,
With any custom or modified car, decisions have to be made every step of the way. Everything from color to the fastener to use. To me, that makes it a lot more "fun" than just following the "cook book" to do a restoration. Not that I have anything against stock ones...I've done many and also enjoy that...just not as much :).

I did consider a green radiator as well as a polished one. In fact, the radiator I got with the car had a polished and lacquered top tank. In the end, I chose black. Here's the reason.

Although this is a custom and anything goes, I still wanted to have a "theme" all the way through. The theme starts with only those things that could have/would have been done to the car in 1958 when it was originally customized. This one will end up more detailed than what was done then, but that's probably the biggest difference. Along with that main theme, I wanted sort of an OEM "look" to many of the details. This led me to the black radiator, generator, starter, distributor...stock exhaust manifolds, stock interior (except for the material and pattern), stock suspension and brakes, cad plated brackets, etc. Almost like if you squint real hard you could sorta kinda envision Studebaker producing these.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Keep the ideas coming, however. I don't have a monopoly on ideas and it is not too late to do something better than what I have in mind.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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StudeMann
11-04-2008, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the explanation, Dick. Now I understand what you're thinking. As an architect in real life, I understand how to create a 'back story' that helps guide decisions in making design choices.

Cheers!

Jim

"Ahh, a bear in his natural habitat...a Studebaker!"
Fozzie Bear in 'The Muppet Movie'

51 Land Cruiser (Elsie)
Jim Mann
Victoria, B.C.
Canada

N8N
11-04-2008, 12:25 PM
Dick,

you and I think scarily alike. With my car, if I ever get around to really getting to it, I am shooting for something that would have been a Stude nut's warmed-up daily driver in the mid-late 60's. By biggest concessions to modernity are the Edelbrock carb, electronic ignition, and the M-body wheels. We'll have to wait and see how successful I am, I don't seem to be nearly as productive as you :(

nate

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Dick Steinkamp
11-04-2008, 03:15 PM
quote:Originally posted by N8N

Dick,

you and I think scarily alike. With my car, if I ever get around to really getting to it, I am shooting for something that would have been a Stude nut's warmed-up daily driver in the mid-late 60's. By biggest concessions to modernity are the Edelbrock carb, electronic ignition, and the M-body wheels. We'll have to wait and see how successful I am,


That's exactly what I did with my black Starliner. I graduated from high school in 1965 and I built the car that I wished I could have owned then. IMHO, it is always best to decide on a theme and then be true to it in every detail. The car really "hangs together" that way.

No problem with the carb and ignition. They are relatively invisible. I'm not sure what M-Body wheels are, however. Wheels are important to the theme.

quote:

I don't seem to be nearly as productive as you :(



Hey, I'm "gainfully unemployed" :). That allows me to spend as much time as I want on cars. In reality, I'm spending TOO much time on this one. Generally 7 days a week. Deadlines suck :(. I did the Starliner when I was working. It took 5 years. I thought that was pretty good considering the actual job thing.

Here's the motor a little more together...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend029.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/frontend022.jpg




Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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studegary
11-04-2008, 03:30 PM
A polished top tank would be correct for a car customized in the late '50s. The radiator that you got with the car, with the polished top tank, is probably what the car had when it was customized in 1958. Of course, you have the luxury of checking with the original builder of your custom. I was customizing my cars and cars for others in the '50s, so my opinion is based on experience of the time.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

StudeRich
11-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Looking good Dick! So that's the 6 Cylinder fan painted Gold instead of it's original Red/Orange, in there eh? It seems to fit fine! [^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Scott
11-04-2008, 04:00 PM
Oh, I can't watch anymore. It just makes all my efforts look like _______. Fill in the blank.

Dick Steinkamp
11-04-2008, 08:59 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

Looking good Dick! So that's the 6 Cylinder fan painted Gold instead of it's original Red/Orange, in there eh? It seems to fit fine! [^]



That's it, Rich. Thanks!



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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ddub
11-04-2008, 09:10 PM
Boy, that engine looks FABULOUS!

Don Wilson
53 Commander Hardtop
64 Champ 1/2 ton
Centralia, WA

N8N
11-05-2008, 08:03 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp


quote:Originally posted by N8N

Dick,

you and I think scarily alike. With my car, if I ever get around to really getting to it, I am shooting for something that would have been a Stude nut's warmed-up daily driver in the mid-late 60's. By biggest concessions to modernity are the Edelbrock carb, electronic ignition, and the M-body wheels. We'll have to wait and see how successful I am,


That's exactly what I did with my black Starliner. I graduated from high school in 1965 and I built the car that I wished I could have owned then. IMHO, it is always best to decide on a theme and then be true to it in every detail. The car really "hangs together" that way.

No problem with the carb and ignition. They are relatively invisible. I'm not sure what M-Body wheels are, however. Wheels are important to the theme.



they're the MoPar cop car wheels - kind of like a Chevy Rallye but I don't believe that they were used until the mid 70's.

http://members.cox.net/njnagel2/2008_06_01/2008_06_01.html

as for your car... yeah, if I could have afforded to buy it, I wouldn't be working on anything right now. I hope that mine looks half as good when I'm done with it.

nate


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Dick Steinkamp
11-09-2008, 03:09 PM
The engine compartment is essentially done at this point (except for installing the plug wires and a few odds and ends). We put the hood on yesterday. Jon finished the underside of the hood as nicely as the top side. I love how the engine is reflected in the hood [8D]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/hood004.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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BobPalma
11-09-2008, 04:26 PM
:) Nice looking engine room, Dick.

Did you use a new cowl-to-hood seal across the back of the hood? Repro? How did it fit? There's another thread going on in Technical about that issue, and I've been hearing it for awhile now. 'Might be nice if you could post your experience(s) fitting the hood if you used a new, reproduction hood-to-cowl seal. :DBP

Dick Steinkamp
11-09-2008, 08:29 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma

:) Nice looking engine room, Dick.

Did you use a new cowl-to-hood seal across the back of the hood? Repro? How did it fit? There's another thread going on in Technical about that issue, and I've been hearing it for awhile now. 'Might be nice if you could post your experience(s) fitting the hood if you used a new, reproduction hood-to-cowl seal. :DBP


I haven't installed it yet, but it is a new repop seal from StudeRich. I'll let all know how that goes.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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