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tstclr
11-18-2006, 05:55 PM
It really is a disease, isn't it?

Today I picked up a 64 Daytona 4 door. The owner says it's a Daytona but I'm not sure. He said someone stole the Daytona emblems off the fenders. Right now it has "Studebaker" emblems there. I'll have to get the cowl numbers and determine what it really is. It has the 6 with an auto. It is Hamilton built. It wont win any stoplight drag races but it does run quite smooth. Mileage is 61000. It does have the checkered flag emblems on the C-pillar. It is Strato Blue with light blue interior. The interior is so so-some tears on the seat bottoms. It was heavily undercoated and I spent the afternoon with the car at work on the hoist scraping it away as it is really flaking and starting to rust underneath. The floors are good. The inside of the rockers had some small holes that I repaired. Everything seems to work. The brakes are a bit wonky. When standing still, the pedal is hard. When moving, the pedal fades. If you pump them, the pedal is hard and you have lots of brakes, next attempt they fade. The owner said they needed adjusting. Suggestions? I suspected a master cylinder but find it wierd they are hard when the car is not moving. I paid a whopping $800 for the car ($CDN) and the owner thru in a decent drivers fender for my 63! It also needs front springs-he threw in a set as well. How hard are they to replace? I'm nowhere near that stage on my 63.. I need washer nozzles. The car has the plunger and resevoir, but the nozzles must have been taken for another project. Also, the front seatbelts are gone. The backs are there. I'm "new school" and won't drive without at least a lap belt. I plan to oil spray the heck out of her and drive her most of the year. I'll post pics when the car is back home. I couldnt believe the number of comments from folks when we were bringing her home. It was amazing for such a "lowly 4 door"!
Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

avantilover
11-18-2006, 06:07 PM
Hi Todd, According to my 1964 catalog (PD 64-10)there were 2 and 4 door Sedans, Daytona Convertible and Hardtops, Wagonaire, Cruiser, Hawk and Avanti models, therefore you have a 4dr Sedan.
Regardless, the price sounds good and since you're getting plenty of folks looking at it, you'll gain much enjoyment from it. The heavy undercoating likely saved it from serious rust.

Goodluck with it.



John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
11-18-2006, 06:07 PM
Hi Todd, According to my 1964 catalog (PD 64-10)there were 2 and 4 door Sedans, Daytona Convertible and Hardtops, Wagonaire, Cruiser, Hawk and Avanti models, therefore you have a 4dr Sedan.
Regardless, the price sounds good and since you're getting plenty of folks looking at it, you'll gain much enjoyment from it. The heavy undercoating likely saved it from serious rust.

Goodluck with it.



John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

Guido
11-18-2006, 06:12 PM
Todd,

I exchanged e-mails with the owner, but never got any pictures. Not the most exciting car, but it sounds as if you got a good deal.

Gary

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
11-18-2006, 06:12 PM
Todd,

I exchanged e-mails with the owner, but never got any pictures. Not the most exciting car, but it sounds as if you got a good deal.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Dick Steinkamp
11-18-2006, 06:13 PM
It sounds like a great car. Those 4 door Larks are real bargains. Lots of rust free, low mileage, well taken care of ones out there for little money.

Changing front springs is fairly simple. After removing the shock, I put a jack under the inside part of the lower control arm then remove the 4 bolts that hold the lower control arm to the frame. Let down the jack, r and r the spring, then reverse the process.


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Dick Steinkamp
11-18-2006, 06:13 PM
It sounds like a great car. Those 4 door Larks are real bargains. Lots of rust free, low mileage, well taken care of ones out there for little money.

Changing front springs is fairly simple. After removing the shock, I put a jack under the inside part of the lower control arm then remove the 4 bolts that hold the lower control arm to the frame. Let down the jack, r and r the spring, then reverse the process.


http://static.flickr.com/100/292046667_cc1661ba0e_m.jpg

tstclr
11-18-2006, 07:34 PM
Thanks Dick. That sounds fairly straightforward. I got a kick out of the big decal in the windshield from the factory with the slogan "Ask the man who owns one". Cool.. The seller also stated he has a "perfect" 63 Lark Regal 2dr sedan- 6/ 3speed manual for sale. I think he said it has 29k miles. Green on green. It wasnt located where this one was so I asked him to shoot me some photos. It belongs to his dad who is in his 80's. I think he wants around $8000 CDN.

Todd


Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
11-18-2006, 07:34 PM
Thanks Dick. That sounds fairly straightforward. I got a kick out of the big decal in the windshield from the factory with the slogan "Ask the man who owns one". Cool.. The seller also stated he has a "perfect" 63 Lark Regal 2dr sedan- 6/ 3speed manual for sale. I think he said it has 29k miles. Green on green. It wasnt located where this one was so I asked him to shoot me some photos. It belongs to his dad who is in his 80's. I think he wants around $8000 CDN.

Todd


Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

mbstude
11-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Cool deal Todd! One thing about Studes, you can't have just one. ;)

Where's the pics? [:p]


Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

mbstude
11-18-2006, 07:36 PM
Cool deal Todd! One thing about Studes, you can't have just one. ;)

Where's the pics? [:p]


Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman PU
'63 Daytona HT

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http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/
http://thestudillac.blogspot.com/

Roscomacaw
11-18-2006, 08:32 PM
Yes, there WERE 64 Daytona 4doors. With either a 6 or an 8. Body tag should read 64S-Y8 ;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-18-2006, 08:32 PM
Yes, there WERE 64 Daytona 4doors. With either a 6 or an 8. Body tag should read 64S-Y8 ;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

tstclr
11-18-2006, 10:26 PM
The car is resting at work for the weekend. Monday I am getting the required safety inspection(as well as determining the problem with the brake and replacing the springs) so that I can license the car. The coolant needs flushing and the lower rad hose needs replacing. Oh yeah, I found a set of 1964 plates (tags to you U.S guys) in the trunk. In Ontario, cars got new tags every year until 1973. After that, you got a yearly sticker. Fortunately, after a lot of lobbying by the old car hobby, we can use plates that are dated the same as the year of the car (as long as the numbers arent in use on a modern plate) and apply the yearly sticker to these plates. I'll have pictures early next week. One other glitch I noticed is the turn signal indicator will flash on a right turn, but not on a left. All outside signal bulbs work.

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

tstclr
11-18-2006, 10:26 PM
The car is resting at work for the weekend. Monday I am getting the required safety inspection(as well as determining the problem with the brake and replacing the springs) so that I can license the car. The coolant needs flushing and the lower rad hose needs replacing. Oh yeah, I found a set of 1964 plates (tags to you U.S guys) in the trunk. In Ontario, cars got new tags every year until 1973. After that, you got a yearly sticker. Fortunately, after a lot of lobbying by the old car hobby, we can use plates that are dated the same as the year of the car (as long as the numbers arent in use on a modern plate) and apply the yearly sticker to these plates. I'll have pictures early next week. One other glitch I noticed is the turn signal indicator will flash on a right turn, but not on a left. All outside signal bulbs work.

Todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan

avantilover
11-19-2006, 12:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, there WERE 64 Daytona 4doors. With either a 6 or an 8. Body tag should read 64S-Y8 ;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe


Thanks Bob, the catalogue didn't mention that as it only had photos of the hardtop and convertible Daytonas.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
11-19-2006, 12:19 AM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Yes, there WERE 64 Daytona 4doors. With either a 6 or an 8. Body tag should read 64S-Y8 ;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe


Thanks Bob, the catalogue didn't mention that as it only had photos of the hardtop and convertible Daytonas.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

tstclr
11-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Dick,
I studied the shop manual and it looks like they recommend removing the front brake assembly, removing the upper control arm inner shaft to crossmember retaining bolts, loosening the bushing capscrews and pulling the upper control member away from the crossmember. Then you lower the jack under the lower control arm to remove tension from the spring. It sounds like your method was easier. Did you have to remove any other components to have enough movement to remove the springs (other than the shocks)? Is there any more risk of the spring flying out at me with your method? Did you use a spring compressor?

Thanks
todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
64 Daytona 4dr Sedan

tstclr
11-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Dick,
I studied the shop manual and it looks like they recommend removing the front brake assembly, removing the upper control arm inner shaft to crossmember retaining bolts, loosening the bushing capscrews and pulling the upper control member away from the crossmember. Then you lower the jack under the lower control arm to remove tension from the spring. It sounds like your method was easier. Did you have to remove any other components to have enough movement to remove the springs (other than the shocks)? Is there any more risk of the spring flying out at me with your method? Did you use a spring compressor?

Thanks
todd


63 Lark 2dr Sedan
64 Daytona 4dr Sedan

Dick Steinkamp
11-19-2006, 11:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Dick,
I studied the shop manual and it looks like they recommend removing the front brake assembly, removing the upper control arm inner shaft to crossmember retaining bolts, loosening the bushing capscrews and pulling the upper control member away from the crossmember. Then you lower the jack under the lower control arm to remove tension from the spring. It sounds like your method was easier. Did you have to remove any other components to have enough movement to remove the springs (other than the shocks)? Is there any more risk of the spring flying out at me with your method? Did you use a spring compressor?

Thanks
todd



Todd,
I've done it both ways, and prefer the way I outlined...seemed to come apart and go together easier (for me). In either case, you'd have to remove the anti sway bar from the lower control arm also. Both methods have "risks" and you should follow all standard safety precautions relative to supporting the car, securing the spring, etc.

I'm about 1/10th the mechanic that many that post here are. Hopefully Mr. Biggs, Dwain G., and many others more experienced than I am can throw in their 2 cents.



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Dick Steinkamp
11-19-2006, 11:35 AM
quote:Originally posted by tstclr

Dick,
I studied the shop manual and it looks like they recommend removing the front brake assembly, removing the upper control arm inner shaft to crossmember retaining bolts, loosening the bushing capscrews and pulling the upper control member away from the crossmember. Then you lower the jack under the lower control arm to remove tension from the spring. It sounds like your method was easier. Did you have to remove any other components to have enough movement to remove the springs (other than the shocks)? Is there any more risk of the spring flying out at me with your method? Did you use a spring compressor?

Thanks
todd



Todd,
I've done it both ways, and prefer the way I outlined...seemed to come apart and go together easier (for me). In either case, you'd have to remove the anti sway bar from the lower control arm also. Both methods have "risks" and you should follow all standard safety precautions relative to supporting the car, securing the spring, etc.

I'm about 1/10th the mechanic that many that post here are. Hopefully Mr. Biggs, Dwain G., and many others more experienced than I am can throw in their 2 cents.



http://static.flickr.com/100/292046667_cc1661ba0e_m.jpg