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vegas paul
10-21-2008, 10:22 AM
http://jalopnik.com/341962/studebaker-wagonaire-its-all-about-the-safety

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billmdonn
10-21-2008, 03:01 PM
It is amazing, when I was raising my children in the 70's the car seat we had hung over the the back of the front seat. A quick stop and the kid is through the windsheild. When they got to be 4 or 5 years old and misbehaved I would threaten that I would make them put on the seatbelts. With todays cars seats and boosters seats, you could send a child up on the space shuttle. Then when the kids get to be teenagers the parents buy them "crotch rockets" on which they do wheellies wearing no helmet.

"I know nothing"

Sargent Schultz

50Champ
10-21-2008, 03:36 PM
Things were definitely a lot simpler in the good old days....

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dclewallen
10-21-2008, 03:51 PM
I remember sleeping on the package tray under the rear window. Never thought about any danger,

Darryl C. Lewallen Clarkesville, Ga.

mdelapp
10-21-2008, 04:19 PM
I believe there are a couple of ads that show the rear center arm rest removable in the C -K bodies and how convenient it is for a child to lay down while travlleing

The "package tray" was preferred place for most kids. Good view, high above the others and able to stretch out.

some may recall the immediate reaction many parents had when making a quick stop to put out your right hand to hold a child. It was an automatic move

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bams50
10-21-2008, 04:59 PM
I remember all that too[^]

I never wore a seatbelt in a road car until maybe 15 years ago when it became the law here. We used to love riding in the back of a pickup- sometimes sitting on the open tailgate watching the road go by under our feet, or standing up at the back of the cab with the wind rushing by. My brother used to stand on the front seat between my parents everywhere we went, or as mentioned, up on the package shelf. I remember being too little to see out easily from the back seat of the Lincoln, and sitting on a case of beer to see better. We used to have demo derbies with lot cars, and try to roll them over; a couple times I succeeded[:o)] No belts, rollcages, helmets, firesuits...

And somehow, we lived![:0];)

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"Some people live for the rules, I live for exceptions"- 311

"Do they all not, by mere virtue of having survived as relics of a bygone era, amass a level of respect perhaps not accorded to them when they were new?"

8E45E
10-21-2008, 05:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by mdelapp


The "package tray" was preferred place for most kids. Good view, high above the others and able to stretch out.



Or in the 'well' behind the back seat in a VW Beetle!:D Probably the safest place anywhere to ride in one of those!![:0]

Craig

BobGlasscock
10-21-2008, 08:23 PM
I loved the package tray in my '50 Champion on trips. The hot sun just making me feel SO toasty!

Us single guys still use our right arm and hand to 'catch' the girl when the brakes go on quickly. hee-hee.

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Pckstude
10-21-2008, 08:51 PM
Do u also remember kids standing up in the front seat? Social services would throw u into a deep dungeon if u tried that now days.
But that was the scenario that lead to a very close call with me. Dad was backing out of the driveway, and I was standing up in the front. Some how, and in ways only children know how to do, the door opened and I fell out. Poor old dad didn't know what to do. Visions of a fatal scene surely rushed thru his worried head. Then what to do? Pull ahead? Stay still? He had no idea if he had already run over me or what. He put the car in park, and shot around the front to the passenger side to see what sort of horrible scene might await him.
Much to his relief, there I laid, my head facing just inches from the right front tire. To this day I can still recall the up front and personal experience I had of tire tread design. Perhaps this is why I have a fascination with the engineering and sculpture of tires.

sals54
10-21-2008, 09:19 PM
When I was a kid, we would go on trips in our '66 Country Squire Ford Wagon. It was the 9 passenger model with the sideways facing far rear seats. Well, that was not quite enough for our family of ELEVEN CHILDREN ! ! ! ! !, so my seat was on the hotterenhell "hump" above the rear axle. The ones in the front seat had their sweaters on cuz the AC was blowin full blast.... the middle seat was perfect.... while those of us condemned to the rear of the car sweltered in our kid sized EZ bake oven. Dang that was hot. 75 miles an hour through the desert on a 2 lane highway, with oncoming traffic waiting to collide at a combined rate of 150 mph ! ! !, can you say "blood alley"? No one wearing seatbelts, and my dad was a highway patrolman.! Innocence or ignorance? Don't know.

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raoul5788
10-21-2008, 10:13 PM
We had a DKW wagon when I was a kid. You could sit on the LEFT of the driver the way the seat was configured! You should have seen the looks on the faces of the toll takers when we pulled up to the gate!


Chip
'63 Cruiser daily driver
'57 Packard wagon almost on the road!

whacker
10-21-2008, 10:30 PM
My Dad worked for the atomic energy commission when I was little. I remember my Mom waking me up in the middle of the night so my older sister and I could go watch them set off an atomic bomb at Yucca Flats. I road all the way out there in my special spot on the package tray. No seat belts in a 1951 Starlight Coupe! I still remember the car, and the bomb. So does my sister.

jnewkirk77
10-22-2008, 03:41 AM
Until Indiana passed its seat-belt law (I seem to remember that was in '83 or '84), my parents let my brother Matt and I ride standing up on the front seat ... or wherever else we could find a place to see out of the car. It kept us quieter, Mom said.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
10-22-2008, 03:50 AM
quote:Originally posted by sals54

When I was a kid, we would go on trips in our '66 Country Squire Ford Wagon. It was the 9 passenger model with the sideways facing far rear seats. Well, that was not quite enough for our family of ELEVEN CHILDREN ! ! ! ! !, so my seat was on the hotterenhell "hump" above the rear axle.


Yep, Sal ... my grandparents drove NOTHING but Ford wagons for many years, up until the last ones. Grandpa is now 86 and drives a Chevy Venture, but he reminisces fondly about our many family trips to Indiana Beach (where his sister lived and worked) in the "Yellow Submarine," his 1975 Country Squire:

Grandpa at the wheel, with two grandkids between himself and Grandma.

My parents and two uncles in the middle seat.

Four kids on the dual facing "way back" seats.

Three or four across the rear axle "hump".

Luggage for all strapped to the roof rack.

Back bumper scraping the highway every time we hit a bump or dip in the road.

Every window rolled down because the air conditioning didn't have a prayer of keeping that many people cool in the hot Indiana sun.

What strikes me is how normal that all seemed 25 years ago!

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

Michidan
10-22-2008, 07:36 AM
I know somewhere I have read a road test report of 51 or 52 Studebaker. A reprint in one of the Brooklands gold books or something like that. Anyway it was remarked at the time how nice it was to have the dash so far away from the front seat. As this left plenty of room for the kids to get up and move around!
I had to laugh.
I don't know if was Motor Trend or a similar magazine, but this was thought of as a handy feature.

Dan
52 hardtop
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Busmark181
10-22-2008, 02:03 PM
I'm only 34, but I remember the best spot to sleep on road trips in the family car, a 74 monte carlo my dad bought with 12 miles on it, was the rear window shelf... I only fell out a couple of times when we had to stop in a hurry... the best place to play, was on the front passenger floorboard, using the bench seat as a table... used to even play cards with Mom as she drove, (she was, what I considered to be, an expert at steering with her knee) or sitting on my knees sideways on the passenger side, feet between the door and the side of the seat, leaning back against the passenger door... on long trips at night, spreading out on the front seat, my head in the drivers lap... and even at a very young age I knew that when ever the car shifted during a turn I had to scrunch a bit hoping not to get a "spinning steering wheel burn" on my forehead... many years later I learned to drive a manual transmission in an old vw bug on the winter streets of small town MT... my dad had me hold my left arm out the window and drive, shift, adjust the radio, operate various dash controls, with my right hand so I could learn how to operate a stick shift while I was "drinking a cup of coffee, reading a map, or having a cigarette or something..." a few years ago, I was a passenger in my mothers ford probe, 31 years of age, all belted in snuggly, and still got the arm to chest slap when made an abrupt stop... I just had to look at her and chuckle....

tbredehoft
10-22-2008, 02:30 PM
In 1961 my wife was working as an Emergency Room RN in Delaware Ohio. She came home after work and told em of an accident on I71 nearby. A local couple had been out drinking and turned south on the northbound lane. They head ended a test driver for one of the Akron rubber companies. He had a seat belt, they didn't. He walked away, they didn't survive.

We put seat belts in our '53 coupe the next day and have used them ever since.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe (since 1959)
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
(Under Construction 528 hrs.)
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

50Champ
10-23-2008, 04:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by sals54

When I was a kid, we would go on trips in our '66 Country Squire Ford Wagon. It was the 9 passenger model with the sideways facing far rear seats. Well, that was not quite enough for our family of ELEVEN CHILDREN ! ! ! ! !


I'm the oldest of seven and I took my driver's test in June 1968 in my parents' '65 Ford Country Sedan station wagon. It only had two seats so several of the younger kids had to sit in the space between the second seat and the tailgate whenever all nine of us went anywhere together. My mother always sat in the back seat so she was within reach of all the kids in case any of us misbehaved. Fortunately we were never involved in any serious accidents....:)

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JBOYLE
10-23-2008, 06:08 PM
Between the ages of 5 and 8 we lived in Japan where my father was serving in the Air Force.
As a "tour" car, he had a 1949 Chevy, an ex-Army staff car painted black with red wheels.
Of course, there were no seatbelts.

One day were were of base enroute to my favorite toy store (filled with lots of neat tin plate planes, cars and helicopters...the stuff would be worth a million today on ebay) and a little old lady "momma san" stepped out in front of us on the narrow road.
Dad slammed on the brakes, I slammed into the windshield shattering it.
No permanent damage to me...except any resulting brain damage is what keeps me spending money on old cars.

A couple of years later, the AF required all cars registered on base have seatbelts (this was long before the federal rules) and they were dutifully retrofitted to our new 63 Rambler. And we've used them ever since.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

rusty65
10-25-2008, 08:46 PM
We (5 brothers amd me) never wore seat belts in anything that Dad drove, and I can remember standing up in back of his '50 Chevy and bouncing around in the back of his Chevy Apache panel truck and his '57 Chevy 150 series sedan delivery.I often wondered though,was that switch on top of the sun visor factory installed or an aftermarket option?It seemed to be in every vehicle he owned.....

DEEPNHOCK
10-25-2008, 08:55 PM
My late father (7th, and later 8th AAF) swore by seat belts.
I remember going to Western Auto with him.
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While I as looking at bicycles, he was buying sealt belt kits to put in his cars (ALL Fords)...
He had a weak moment in 1961 and ordered a Hawk.
He did order it with seat belts...
Jeff[8D]

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rockinhawk
10-25-2008, 09:48 PM
As soon as my kids were big enough sit up on their own the rode on my left leg watching the world go by through the drivers side window. When they were able to stand on their own they stood behind my right shoulder. Most of our cars had fold down center arm rest in the front with a kid sitting on it. NT


Neil Thornton
Hazlehurst, GA
'57 Silver Hawk
'56 Sky Hawk
'51 2R16 dump truck
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8E45E
10-25-2008, 10:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE




A couple of years later, the AF required all cars registered on base have seatbelts (this was long before the federal rules) and they were dutifully retrofitted to our new 63 Rambler. And we've used them ever since. [/font=Arial] [/blue]



As did the Marine Corps. They ordered Studebaker trucks equipped with seat belts, and had a sticker on the dash stating how they must be worn.

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Craig

Hanson Motor Co.
10-26-2008, 02:18 PM
We had a beagle that used to love the air that came in off the front seat floor vent. I seem to remember getting on the floor next to the dog to enjoy the air.
My brother also liked to drive around in the summer with the windows up hoping that people thought we had AC in our car.
I'll have to think a bit about which of these was the most ignorant, but I'm leaning toward my brother....