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jimmijim8
10-19-2008, 08:57 AM
Were all V8 Larks and Hawks in 63-4 when equipped with automatic floor shifters also optioned with powershift trannys? If one wanted a column shift automatic with the R series engine in those years was one relegated to the heavy duty flightomatic? Any body aware of any 6 cyl. automatic floor shift cars being produced? Any 65-6 floor shift auto's or 4 speeds available? I just gots to know! jimmijm

mbstude
10-19-2008, 09:50 AM
From what I understand....

The PowerShift was only available in a '63-64 R series Lark or Hawk. The only cars with non-R series engines (standard 289s) that I've seen with PowerShifts, were '64 GT Hawks.

In the early days of the R series engine, a regular, air cooled Flight-O-Matic was available. After those didn't hold up, the HD (water cooled) FOM became available. So you had FIVE transmission choices with an R engine. PowerShift, HD Flight-o, T-10 4 speed, straight 3 speed, and 3 speed with overdrive. The PowerShift and T-10 were the only ones that were floor shifted.

I don't believe any floor shift automatic 6 bangers were ever built. And in '65-66, only a column shift car was available. (Flight-o, 3 speed, or 3 speed with OD.)

Hope this somewhat makes sense. :)

Matthew Burnette
Hazlehurst, GA
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JDP
10-19-2008, 10:12 AM
The Powershift was a option for any V8. Some R series cars were equipped with the HD Flightomatic, a few even the regular, ir cooled one.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

JDP
10-19-2008, 10:12 AM
The Powershift was a option for any V8. Some R series cars were equipped with the HD Flightomatic, a few even the regular, ir cooled one.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

jimmijim8
10-19-2008, 10:27 AM
Thanks guys for the info. I at one time owned a 64 cruiser with red viny bucket seat interior with the power shift. Engine was a 289 2 bbl. I did the irresponsible thing to it about 20 yrs go.I have regretted that deed many times. jimmijim

StudeRich
10-19-2008, 02:00 PM
Matt, just to be a little clearer; I do not believe that you can say that R Series Studebakers (Jet Thrust, Super Jet Thrust and Avanti R1 & R2) were available with 3 speed and 3 speed Overdrive! [:0]

I do not think ANY R2's were built with 3 speed, it shows not available in the '64 Showroom Manual Performance section.

Also I not think any R series cars were built with Overdrive.

The R2 and above engines all require 4 Speed or H.D. Automatic, either Power Shift or H.D. Flight-O-Matic.

What those few 3 speeds SHOULD have had, is the H.D. T-85 3 Speed Overdrive! [:p] There were of course fit issues, with the Avanti, Daytona Convertible and Wagonaire because of the "X" member frame.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

JDC
10-19-2008, 02:22 PM
Can you use a Powershift shifter with a Flight-O? Are they essentially the same trans?

JDC
10-19-2008, 02:22 PM
Can you use a Powershift shifter with a Flight-O? Are they essentially the same trans?

StudeRich
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
No, the Powershift has a wider front band, sprag unit, 6 position valve body, backward shift pattern (PRND21) etc.

It is very similar to a Ford Cruise-O-Matic.


quote:Originally posted by JDC

Can you use a Powershift shifter with a Flight-O? Are they essentially the same trans?


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
10-19-2008, 02:29 PM
No, the Powershift has a wider front band, sprag unit, 6 position valve body, backward shift pattern (PRND21) etc.

It is very similar to a Ford Cruise-O-Matic.


quote:Originally posted by JDC

Can you use a Powershift shifter with a Flight-O? Are they essentially the same trans?


StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Dick Steinkamp
10-19-2008, 02:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

No, the Powershift has a wider front band, sprag unit, 6 position valve body, backward shift pattern (PRND21) etc.

It is very similar to a Ford Cruise-O-Matic.



...except the Cruise-O-Matic started in low gear.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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Dick Steinkamp
10-19-2008, 02:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

No, the Powershift has a wider front band, sprag unit, 6 position valve body, backward shift pattern (PRND21) etc.

It is very similar to a Ford Cruise-O-Matic.



...except the Cruise-O-Matic started in low gear.



Dick Steinkamp
Bellingham, WA

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BobPalma
10-19-2008, 07:33 PM
:) To clarify just a couple things, guys, based on a ton of research for the up-coming High-Performance Studebakers article in Collectible Automobile magazine:

1. There's no record of any R-series car being built with overdrive.

2. Straight three-speed was only available with an R1 engine.

3. Standard-Duty, air-cooled, column-shift Flightomatic was fitted to some R2 1964 cars as well, believe it or not. Example: 64V7089, was a Laguna Blue 1964 Daytona Convertible shipped to Virginia with an R2 engine and column-shift, standard-duty Flightomatic!

4. Powershift floor automatic was not available in 1963 Larks or Hawks until February 15, 1963. If you ordered a 1963, R2-powered Lark or Hawk before then, you got one of three transmissions: Column-shift H.D. Flightomatic, standard-duty, column-shift Flightomatic, or 4-speed, floor shift.

Looking over production records, a general shift seems to have been made at Serial Number 63V7202, an Ermine White 1963 R2/Standard-Duty Flightomatic Gran Turismo Hawk. Most (but not all) R-engine/automatic transmission cars before that number were standard-duty Flightomatics. Most (but not all) R-engine/automatic transmission cars after that serial number were Heavy-Duty Flightomatics. :DBP

Rerun
10-20-2008, 04:29 AM
quote:The PowerShift was only available in a '63-64 R series Lark or Hawk. The only cars with non-R series engines (standard 289s) that I've seen with PowerShifts, were '64 GT Hawks.


There was at least one '64 Daytona built with a 259 and a Powershift. :D

Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
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Rerun
10-20-2008, 04:29 AM
quote:The PowerShift was only available in a '63-64 R series Lark or Hawk. The only cars with non-R series engines (standard 289s) that I've seen with PowerShifts, were '64 GT Hawks.


There was at least one '64 Daytona built with a 259 and a Powershift. :D

Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
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BobPalma
10-20-2008, 05:41 AM
quote:Originally posted by Rerun


quote:The PowerShift was only available in a '63-64 R series Lark or Hawk. The only cars with non-R series engines (standard 289s) that I've seen with PowerShifts, were '64 GT Hawks.


There was at least one '64 Daytona built with a 259 and a Powershift. :D

Jim Bradley


:) Jim: If you had time to go through all the 1964 V-8 production records, I'll bet you'd find over 100 259s with Powershift! I've seen three in my lifetime and I sure haven't seen every 1964 V-8 car produced. :DBP

Rerun
10-20-2008, 07:43 PM
Bob,

It has always amazed me that someone would have paid $273 for the Powershift and another $103 for bucket seats (required with Powershift), but would not have spent the $35 to upgrade to the 289 engine. Go figure.

Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
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BobPalma
10-20-2008, 09:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Rerun

Bob,

It has always amazed me that someone would have paid $273 for the Powershift and another $103 for bucket seats (required with Powershift), but would not have spent the $35 to upgrade to the 289 engine. Go figure.

Jim Bradley


:) True, Jim...but time has away of hiding what was happening. Things were so bad at Studebaker in the fall of 1963 that most cars were being built for stock, against no firm order from a dealer or customer. So the person writing up the Production Order could create all kinds of odd-balls with little regard for who might have to ultimately sell them...or buy them.

Consider my Cousin George's 1964 Challenger 2-door, The Plain Brown Wrapper. It was built for stock as follows: 289 V-8, 4-bbl carb, single exhaust, straight three-speed transmission; no overdrive. No dealer in his right mind would order a car like that...and why would a customer, for that matter? And since it was built December 13th (IIRC), it wasn't like they were trying to use up parts or anything.

Just plain weird, that's all... :DBP

candbstudebakers
10-21-2008, 12:00 AM
One time back in the 70's I did drive an Avanti with R-1 and 3 speed on the floor, it was a dog and keep my 62 GT 4 speed with 289, I have in my yard a 64 Daytona 4 door that came with a 289 air, powershift on the floor and bucket seats, also I did have a 66 2 door commander with a 6 cyl, and high stick floor shift, it really shiffed nice I sold it to a guy in Minden Nv. a couple of years ago. so you can see one could get about anything they wanted back then.

CKOT
10-21-2008, 08:58 AM
My '63 GT is a standard 289 2 bbl with powershift.

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53k
10-21-2008, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

From what I understand....

The PowerShift was only available in a '63-64 R series Lark or Hawk. The only cars with non-R series engines (standard 289s) that I've seen with PowerShifts, were '64 GT Hawks.

I've seen a number of non R-engined cars with Powershfits, a number with 259s. My '64 Daytona convertible is a 2 bbl 289, single exhaust car with original Powershift,


Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)