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showbizkid
11-11-2006, 11:37 PM
Hey guys,

Last weekend, the engine came out of the Lark. This weekend, my son and I separated the transmission/bellhousing from the block.

I remember reading that there are supposed to be alignment dowels to keep the bellhousing centered on the block relative to the crank, right? Well, there weren't any in mine. Just the 6 bolts that attach the bellhousing to the block (yes, I said 6. The 7th one - at the very top - was broken off in the hole). Seems likely this is probably what caused the damage to the flywheel / flex plate.

So I have questions now :D (I have a '63 259 with FOM.)

1) How many of these dowels are there supposed to be and where do they go?
2) Will I need to "dial in" the bellhousing when I reassemble?
3) WHERE in the service manual are the instructions for dialing in the bellhousing? I've been all through the engine and FOM sections and I can't find anything.
4) Could the off-center condition have caused damage to the transmission itself?

Just when I think I'm getting out of the hole, I find it's 2 feet deeper! [:0] Thanks in advance for your help...

By the way, here are some pix of the progress:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/Engine%20pull/DSC_0624.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/Engine%20pull/DSCN0539.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/Engine%20pull/DSCN0540.jpg


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whacker
11-12-2006, 12:28 AM
There should be two holes at about 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock in both the bellhousing and the block. Instructions should be in the clutch section in the manual. If I wasn't sure the bellhoung was original to the engine, I would check the alignment. It sounds a lot harder than it really is.

JDP
11-12-2006, 12:32 AM
The lack of dowel pins is likly the cause of the broken flex plate.

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StudeDave57
11-12-2006, 02:00 AM
quote:Do you realize that engine looks to be 56 or 57...
It's not, trust me!!! ;) I thought the same thing when I saw the colors on it, then I saw that it's a full-flow...

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showbizkid
11-12-2006, 02:08 AM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

When does the engine come back from the shop? Do you realize that engine looks to be 56 or 57... trans looks 63.


I'm taking it to the builder next weekend, and it'll probably be done in late January/early Feb.

I know it's painted the wrong color for '63, Dave and I were scratching our heads about it too. But the engine serial is correct for the year: V581775. Here's a pic:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/clarknovak/From%20the%20start/DSCN0422.jpg

I'll give you a ring.


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studeclunker
11-12-2006, 12:50 PM
What you are looking for is on page 57 of the transmission section dealing with the flight-o-matic. The sub-section is titled: FLIGHTOMATIC-CONVERTER REPLACEMENT. It shows a special alignment tool in place and the instructions for it's use are detailed on the right hand side of the page.

Good luck!

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studeclunker
11-12-2006, 05:03 PM
Way out there! I love it!:D(LOL) That SO describes what I'm thinking so often when reading that manual.

Thanks, Mike.

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kamzack
11-13-2006, 11:50 PM
Hey Clark,
I'm sure you already know, but gonna pass it on anyway and duck.
62 ot64 engines are black with yellow valve covers and an orangey red fan or the same as the painted breather caps. Black air cleaner. Were you able to understand the message I sent ya?
Kim

showbizkid
11-14-2006, 02:23 AM
Thanks Kim, yeah, I did get your message and am digesting it ;) Thank you very much!

There are so many weird things with this car that have me scratching my head. Engine color is one of them. It's obviously the right block but the way wrong color. The valve covers have been painted black but the yellow is showing through - easy enough to figure. But the block... is that turquoise and shows no sign of ever having been repainted. Where it's flaking off, there's just no black, just bare metal. Even the flywheel inspection plate is turquoise!

Then there's the intake and carb: I understand that Studebaker stopped using WCFBs after '62 and that '63s should have AFBs, but the Standard was such a stripper, it makes me wonder if they just used any old parts they had lying around! [?]

Meanwhile, it's been 8 weeks since I ordered by build sheet and I ain't got it yet. I'm going nuts [:o)]

There's gotta be someone who's an expert on Standards and could answer these questions. Anyone know who that might be? I just gotta know!


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bams50
11-14-2006, 06:33 AM
FWIW- Kent has the correct valve cover yellow for sale in spray bombs for cheap!! See his thread on the GD board.[8D]

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kamzack
11-14-2006, 09:53 AM
Hey Clark,
The source I'd go for the info you are asking for is Steve Cade of Stephen Allen's Auto in Newberry, Fla.. He probably has one of the largest collection of restored cars and trucks in the nation and an extensive inventory of new and used parts as well. He's one the most knowledgeable Stude guys I know. His business phone is 352-472-9369, he also has a website, do a search, Stephen Allen's Studebaker. You can confirm with him the wash proceedure I described. He builds a near perfect Studebaker engine, whew, he's picky. I've been told that alot of strange things happened in the last year of South Bend production. December 15,1963 was a dark for a lot of folk.
Kim