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studeclunker
11-08-2006, 06:48 PM
I have a '62 Regal fourdoor. She came to me with a dead (frozen solid) six. I have a six from my short bed Champ that runs. I tried to install it and I think the old girl liked the V8 better. She won't let me put it in. I spent the better part of nine hours trying to put it back in and was unable to do so.

Did the sixes have different mounts than the eights? I've got the ones this car originally had and I can't see any difference. Then again, what do I know (very little actually)? This is driving (no pun intended) me nuts! The engine is just 1 1/2 to 2 inches short of being on the mounts and it's slam up against the firewall.

I'd really like to be able to put this car back together. It would be easier to get her a home. Right now, I'm completely flummoxed!:( I really like this car. Could someone please help me save her?

Any ideas, anyone?

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Dwain G.
11-08-2006, 06:52 PM
An L-head 170 should actually take up a little less room than an OHV. Makes me wonder if you have a 245 'big' six out of a 1960 Champ?

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Dwain G.

studeclunker
11-08-2006, 09:06 PM
Yes, I know the rubber part of the mount is different. I'm still using the metal part that originally came with the six to install the six from my Champ. The two sixes are identical (OHV 170s). Well, except the original is frozen and the Champ's runs.

I was driving this car for a while with a borrowed V8 from my Daytona Wagon. That motor has gone back into the wagon. Now I would like to re-install a six into the sedan. I can't get the blessed thing to fit. I know I'm doing something wrong, just can't figure out what.

Yes, I know about the bellhousing and transmission. I'm just concentrating on getting the motor in for transport. The tranny is in the back of the car, for now.

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Roscomacaw
11-08-2006, 09:15 PM
Ron,

The Champ's mount brackets (the metal things that bolt to the engine block) are different from those the car uses. HOW different, I can't say, but they are different. This is because the engine sits differently in the truck than it does in the car.
If I REMEMBER right, while those frame mounts you have seem to be the same - the TRICK is that you swap left for right and THAT throws the mount pads forward or backwards as required by the 6 or the V8.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
11-08-2006, 09:39 PM
Yes, that also I know. The mounting brackets, all hardware for the sedan etc... is in place. The engine is now identical to the original engine. Both are 170s, I took the mounts off the original motor and installed them on the Champ's motor. I even put the rubber six mounts and put them back on the frame mounts (the sedan mounts fellas) and it still won't mount up.:(

I tried taking off the mounts and turning them backwards. No go, the holes won't line up. Doesn't matter if I've got the six or eight rubber mount pads, they're the same. Well, they're shaped differently, and I'm sure the eight pads are stronger. They are certainly a little thicker.

I have the right frame mounts and rubber pads on the car. I have the right engine mount brackets on the engine. It just doesn't fit. Can I scream now?[:0]

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Mike Van Veghten
11-09-2006, 10:15 AM
Hey Ron...

Do you have a Conestoga? Or hunting for one? Or?
The bottom of all of yous posts...and now two.

Have you seem the Conestoga site?

http://studebakerconestoga.com/

It's open to all wagons now, check it out.

Mike (the light blue one)

Roscomacaw
11-09-2006, 11:50 AM
If those FRAME brackets won't swap - left for right - then you're gonna hafta have those that are MADE for the 6 installation and the book does call them out as a seperate part #. Your problem is clear here. If you look at those frame mounts, you see that they lean rearwards for the shorter V8 block. Conversely, the 6-cylinder ones lean FORWARD to accmodate the slightly longer block of the 6.[}:)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

John Kirchhoff
11-09-2006, 11:59 AM
If you still have the orginal engine setting around you might get a tape measure and compare the distance from say the bellhousing to the front motor mount and see if they are the same on both engines.

After I first got my Hawk, I removed the shoddily installed Chevy engine and put a '61 6 cylinder in it while I got the Stude V-8 prepared. On the Hawk, I had to swap the V8 engine frame mounts for the 6's because as you mentioned, the 6's mounting points were a couple of inches longer. I did use the same rear mounts and everything there worked fine. On the Hawk the differences between the V8 mounts and the 6 was very evident and look nothing alike. I know the Lark V8 mounts look a lot like the 6's, but there has to be a difference somewhere because there's no way the two different engines could use the same ones.

I don't doubt your mechanical ability whatsoever, but if the engine block measurements are the same, you might make sure you have the correct frame mounts or have them installed correctly because that's the only place the difference could be. I know I've been guilty of misplacing, mistaking, losing parts or forgetting how something went together after it being apart for a long time and don't let anyone else tell you they haven't. Hang in there and if you need me to take some I'll get them for you. Good luck!

Roscomacaw
11-09-2006, 12:54 PM
BTW, Clunk - did those manifolds make it to you?

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
11-10-2006, 06:12 PM
Yes, they did, and thank you. You still have yet to answer my e-mail asking for your address, Mr. Biggs.

Ok, I'll look around at the engine mounts. Obviously, I've missed something...

No, I don't have a Connie. I'd love to have one, but the pockets are empty. Well actually their full of Larks... My favourite '50s cars are the '53-4, and the '56. The others are interesting... I like the Larks better. Specifically the '61-3. The fifties Transtars are really cool too. Especally Mr. Biggs'! Oh, yes! I forgot; my absoloute favourite is the '57 Packard Town sedan. Not the wagon (ugh) the sedan.[8D]

Thank you for the link, Mike. I enjoyed the drool, I mean, look.[:p] Interesting rims.


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