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messerschmittfan
11-05-2006, 11:20 AM
I would like to post an update on my 1960 Hawk that I traded into last year. Now that I have had my Hawk about a year I am finding that there is no such thing as a light restoration for this model. As I noted in my original post that I obtained this car from a German who had purchased it Switzerland where it had been in storage for 20 some years. After removing the headliner and repairing all the mice and squirrel damage to the wiring and metal – complete cleaning to the metal and repaint of the inside of the car – I started removing the one meter paint job. I found a lot of body putty but not on rust or welded over metal but on the front of the rear fenders to bring the fender contours out to those of the door - since there were no rubber door seals the guy glued in rubber pads that kept the doors from rattling but also kept then out past the body.

All of the chrome trim on the body was glued onto the car with windshield glue. There was some welded repair to the rear of the lower trunk area on both sides and to the bottom of the trunk lid, as well as to the rear of both front fenders were the vent air boxes were removed and welded over – thankfully the inside holes were not. There is one body stiffener under the battery box that is in sad shape but the rest of the sheet metal looks good. No rust in the rockers and only a little in the double panels in the seat mounting areas.

These so called “repairs” are missing the so-called old world craftsmanship so I am in the process of cutting them out and repairing them with the proper panels from Classic Enterprises. The front fender vent boxes went in like a dream. The rear of the trunk lid is going to give me a problem as the lid is messed up a bit higher than the repair strip from CE but I think I can add a strip to that.

The engine ran really well and before I took the car apart I ran it around a bit. The carburetor has been replaced with a Holly and once I readjusted it the car purred like a kitten and ran like a Tiger. Of course once I got it on the rack the engine was leaking oil from the front seal like there was not one there. The power steering piston is also leaking and most of the rubber parts in the suspension is dry rotted – another reason to drive cars and not store them – does anyone know where I can get whole kits of rubber parts for the front end or do I have to order from one of the Studebaker venders individually?

The real kicker was the exhaust system – the pipes from the remains of the original exhaust stubs at the manifolds were water pipe all the way to the rear. It was welded onto the mufflers and ran under the rear axle so when the car was on the rack the rear axle was resting on the pipe! It did have a nice sound. I removed them after taking some photographs.

I purchased a set of headers that were made for a 1961 Hawk sometime ago and some nice header mufflers so I think I have that part of my problem solved.

I need all of the body bolts as many of mine were missing or something else was substituted for them. Does anyone offer a complete kit of body bolts for the Hawk? The rear fins were held on by wood screws!

I hope to get all the bodywork finished this winter so it can be painted in the springtime and driven next summer. The only problem with that is that the Army does keep me busy right now. Harry

showbizkid
11-05-2006, 06:53 PM
Sound like a Jeep Wagoneer I owned once [}:)] Sounds like you're making great progress. Post some pics?


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

showbizkid
11-05-2006, 06:53 PM
Sound like a Jeep Wagoneer I owned once [}:)] Sounds like you're making great progress. Post some pics?


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Clark in San Diego
'63 F2/Lark Standard
http://studeblogger.blogspot.com

lstude
11-05-2006, 07:16 PM
Are you doing this work in Europe or did you bring it back to the US?

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-05-2006, 07:16 PM
Are you doing this work in Europe or did you bring it back to the US?

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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messerschmittfan
11-06-2006, 01:34 PM
I am still in Germany and having the parts mailed over via the APO (Army Post Office) which saves me the international postage. I do my own body work as I perfer lead to putty and it is a great stress reliever.
I have a coupe of photos that I can scan in but I am not sure how to post them.
I am now looking for a water manifold with the four-bolt thermostat mounting for a 1957 to 1958. Can anyone assist me in obtaining one? My email connors@debitel.net
This car is a keeper and will return to the States with me. Harry

messerschmittfan
11-06-2006, 01:34 PM
I am still in Germany and having the parts mailed over via the APO (Army Post Office) which saves me the international postage. I do my own body work as I perfer lead to putty and it is a great stress reliever.
I have a coupe of photos that I can scan in but I am not sure how to post them.
I am now looking for a water manifold with the four-bolt thermostat mounting for a 1957 to 1958. Can anyone assist me in obtaining one? My email connors@debitel.net
This car is a keeper and will return to the States with me. Harry

lstude
11-06-2006, 07:57 PM
I am sure someone has a manifold like the one you are looking for, but I don't. Do you see other Studebakers over there. I sold a 62 Lark Daytona convertible in 1989 to a guy in Germany (picture below). I would love to see a picture of it if you ever run across it. Are you a Messerschmidt fan of the "bubble cars" like the one below or the airplanes?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/FamilyStudephotos089.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Messerschmidtonstreet.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-06-2006, 07:57 PM
I am sure someone has a manifold like the one you are looking for, but I don't. Do you see other Studebakers over there. I sold a 62 Lark Daytona convertible in 1989 to a guy in Germany (picture below). I would love to see a picture of it if you ever run across it. Are you a Messerschmidt fan of the "bubble cars" like the one below or the airplanes?
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/FamilyStudephotos089.jpg
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Messerschmidtonstreet.jpg


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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bams50
11-06-2006, 09:04 PM
I've always got a kick out of the Messerschmitts! Hope to own one one day...

Always wanted to have a BMW Isetta till I saw a messer......

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

bams50
11-06-2006, 09:04 PM
I've always got a kick out of the Messerschmitts! Hope to own one one day...

Always wanted to have a BMW Isetta till I saw a messer......

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Roscomacaw
11-06-2006, 09:22 PM
I've got a bunch of those water manifolds lying around.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
11-06-2006, 09:22 PM
I've got a bunch of those water manifolds lying around.;)

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

messerschmittfan
11-07-2006, 12:42 AM
Leonard I have been driving the Messerschmitt KabinenRoller since I was a teenager - first one was in 1957. I have the KR 200 and a Tg 500 (four wheeler) as well as a Heinkel Type 154 (four wheeler) and a Goggo Coupe. The one in your photo is an early KR 175 (1953 to 1955). I belong to the newly formed German Studebaker Club but I have not seen the Lark convertable but if I do I will get a photo of it for you. Harry

messerschmittfan
11-07-2006, 12:42 AM
Leonard I have been driving the Messerschmitt KabinenRoller since I was a teenager - first one was in 1957. I have the KR 200 and a Tg 500 (four wheeler) as well as a Heinkel Type 154 (four wheeler) and a Goggo Coupe. The one in your photo is an early KR 175 (1953 to 1955). I belong to the newly formed German Studebaker Club but I have not seen the Lark convertable but if I do I will get a photo of it for you. Harry

lstude
11-07-2006, 05:20 AM
quote:I belong to the newly formed German Studebaker Club but I have not seen the Lark convertable but if I do I will get a photo of it for you. Harry

Thanks Harry. I would like to see a picture of your Hawk if you can post it.



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-07-2006, 05:20 AM
quote:I belong to the newly formed German Studebaker Club but I have not seen the Lark convertable but if I do I will get a photo of it for you. Harry

Thanks Harry. I would like to see a picture of your Hawk if you can post it.



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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imported_n/a
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
I think it would be cool if you took a Messerschmidt and made a Bulletnose out of it. Well, kinda cool.:)

imported_n/a
11-08-2006, 01:42 AM
I think it would be cool if you took a Messerschmidt and made a Bulletnose out of it. Well, kinda cool.:)

1956 Hawk
11-08-2006, 02:50 AM
I think Messerschmitt already made a bullet nose:D Just not as cool as a Studebaker.
http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/ME262-1.jpg

1956 Hawk
11-08-2006, 02:50 AM
I think Messerschmitt already made a bullet nose:D Just not as cool as a Studebaker.
http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/ME262-1.jpg

JBOYLE
11-08-2006, 11:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by 1956 Hawk

I think Messerschmitt already made a bullet nose:D Just not as cool as a Studebaker.
http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/ME262-1.jpg


With the "Jet Thrust" V-8?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
11-08-2006, 11:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by 1956 Hawk

I think Messerschmitt already made a bullet nose:D Just not as cool as a Studebaker.
http://www.btinternet.com/~lee_mail/ME262-1.jpg


With the "Jet Thrust" V-8?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

53k
11-08-2006, 11:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by messerschmittfan

I would like to post an update on my 1960 Hawk that I traded into last year. ...
...rubber parts in the suspension is dry rotted – another reason to drive cars and not store them – does anyone know where I can get whole kits of rubber parts for the front end or do I have to order from one of the Studebaker venders individually?

I believe that Jon Myer (Myer's Studebaker Parts) puts together kits. I know I bought a kit of all hardware needed for an overhaul (freeze plugs, etc.). Try http://www.myersstudebaker.com/

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

53k
11-08-2006, 11:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by messerschmittfan

I would like to post an update on my 1960 Hawk that I traded into last year. ...
...rubber parts in the suspension is dry rotted – another reason to drive cars and not store them – does anyone know where I can get whole kits of rubber parts for the front end or do I have to order from one of the Studebaker venders individually?

I believe that Jon Myer (Myer's Studebaker Parts) puts together kits. I know I bought a kit of all hardware needed for an overhaul (freeze plugs, etc.). Try http://www.myersstudebaker.com/

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/64%20Daytona%20Convertible/Copy%20of%20DaytonaConvert7-20-06.JPG[/img=right]

Paul Johnson
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine

lstude
11-13-2006, 11:34 AM
quote: I've always got a kick out of the Messerschmitts! Hope to own one one day...

Always wanted to have a BMW Isetta till I saw a messer......

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)

There is a Messerschmitt on eBay right now![:0];)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-KR200-Messerschmitt-Microcar-1-200-original-miles_W0QQitemZ230050921323QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6472QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
11-13-2006, 11:34 AM
quote: I've always got a kick out of the Messerschmitts! Hope to own one one day...

Always wanted to have a BMW Isetta till I saw a messer......

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)

There is a Messerschmitt on eBay right now![:0];)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1955-KR200-Messerschmitt-Microcar-1-200-original-miles_W0QQitemZ230050921323QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6472QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem




Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg