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stugatsr2
07-17-2008, 10:55 AM
my car recently overheated to a point where the upper rad. hose
burst a hole thru the top.the hose is one I purchased from jeg's
two years ago along with the polished water manifold I used to
eliminate the surge tank.The hose was the ridged chrome type.
Could it be water pump failure? thanks,JNP

52-fan
07-17-2008, 01:22 PM
It is possible, but you will have to provide more information. What were the conditions when the engine overheated? Has the vehicle been driven a similar distance lately without problems? Does the water pump show signs of leaking? Are you sure the fluid level was correct? When you eliminated the surge tank, what type of radiator cap did you install? What provission do you have for venting excess pressure? What do you mean by water manifold? The water manifold would not eliminate the surge tank.

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StudeRich
07-17-2008, 01:30 PM
Your '64 must be a Chevy engine conversion, as Jeg's does not sell Studebaker parts.

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

JDP
07-17-2008, 01:33 PM
The Jeg's hose would work if he eliminated the expansion tank. The lack of the tank can cause extra strain on the cooling system.n

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N8N
07-17-2008, 06:02 PM
I don't think I'd feel comfortable eliminating the surge tank without installing a coolant recovery bottle. Actually I'm pretty well sold on the concept of using the coolant recovery bottles on any non-show car. I know, do as I say not as I do.

nate

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stugatsr2
07-17-2008, 08:15 PM
I installed a manifold fill kit 1.50" polished.
Also have a recirc/ overflow bottle installed.
I have a ss/steel hose from the filler neck to radiator.
This is 1st.time I've had a prob.Recently put in autolite
437 plugs.Too hot maybe? The ss/steel hose has a hole about
1/8"blown out of the top.?? JNP

stugatsr2
07-18-2008, 03:47 PM
here is my set-up
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stugatsr2
07-18-2008, 03:49 PM
woops!!! too BIG.how to downsize?

sals54
07-18-2008, 04:14 PM
Pix are not really too big. It shows the setup well. I like the way you did that. Eliminate the problematic surge tank, while maintaining the height of the cap to top off the system. Good thinking.

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sals54
07-18-2008, 04:17 PM
Your upper hose is the all metal style, correct? If so, you may have a problem with your motor mounts more than the cooling system. If your engine is moving a lot, you will wear a crack in the metal hose just by the constant flexing of the hose. Can you show a picture of the hose failure?

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stugatsr2
07-18-2008, 05:24 PM
hi Sal's. upper hose is all s/steel. the hole developed near the
center of the hose's length,just between the ribs. top center.
I don't have a pic yet,but ill'shoot one next time I feel like
working on the car.I'm glad you like the setup.I personally
think it looks far superior than the inline type some venders
are selling.

52-fan
07-19-2008, 07:52 AM
Sals comment makes sense. Metal hose, engine movement, flexing, leak. In two years time it could happen.

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JDP
07-19-2008, 07:57 AM
The metal hoses I've seen have rubber ends to allow for flexing or a rubbber core, no way it would work otherwise.

JDP/Maryland
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Thomas Jefferson

stugatsr2
07-19-2008, 09:34 AM
the hose is all metel,stainless.no rubber inside,just 2 size adaptors
about 2 inches long to slip over the outlets at each end.I now have to
double check the cap that came with the filler neck,

JDP
07-19-2008, 10:35 AM
If it's all metal, that's a lame design, and bound to fail as the engine moves on the mounts.

JDP/Maryland
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Thomas Jefferson

stugatsr2
07-19-2008, 12:48 PM
I agree with you John.I called the sales rep.from Jeg,s & he was shocked to hear it.
Bottom line; one year warranty.buy a new one for $90.00.My question to him was;can it be repaired?
He had no clue.I do think if I can make the existing recovery tank into a recirculating unit
along with the proper cap.I will be ok.The recovery tank is always filled.Any suggestions?
Thanks,JNP

JDP
07-19-2008, 01:00 PM
To be honest, I've always reinstalled the factory expansion tank even if I had to buy a used one and had it repaired. Studebaker would not have spent the extra money to add it without a good purpose. It's easy to get air into the system without it since the radiator is lower then the engine and you need the extra water in the tank for best results.

JDP/Maryland
"I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."
Thomas Jefferson

stugatsr2
07-19-2008, 01:30 PM
good thought,but I like the looks of the system.I recently
had the master cyl.upgrade done & to tell you the truth I
don't like it.It looks too bulky,projects out over the VR.
& having to notch the hood x-member was a bummer too. My next mods
are a performance fuel pump & solid state VR. Thanks again for reply.
JNP

Warren Webb
07-19-2008, 03:13 PM
You must have an early Avanti like mine. I bought the dual master cylinder too but when i bolted it in, I found it hit the inner hood crossmember like you stated, so I put the single master back on, but used a stainless steel sleeved one from S.I.(was studebaker of california when i got it). I believe Studebaker made a change possibly when they changed the battery tray for the group 24 & changed the hood crossmember location at that time. Perhaps they were contemplating going to a dual master but the South Bend shut down changed that.

60 Lark convertible
61 Champ
62 Daytona convertible
63 G.T. R-2,4 speed
63 Avanti (2)
66 Daytona Sport Sedan

stugatsr2
07-19-2008, 03:30 PM
Hi Warren. 63 R-3054 is my #.Yeah it's ugly!!
I seem to recall seeing a dual unit that was
mounted turned 90' in line with the booster.
Also had chrome cap. maybe?