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60Lark
10-23-2006, 11:53 PM
I think I have seen my (2) questions discussed before and have searched for them but have been unable to locate either of them. If I am correct I apologize in advance for asking about a previously discussed topic. [8]
I have just purchased a 56 Power Hawk, don't have it yet but I am doing a little of advance planning.
#1 What is the correct engine color for a 56 Power Hawk (259)?
#2 What is the correct back space measurement of the wheels for the 56 Power Hawk?
I just ordered a shop manual and parts manual but have not yet received them either.

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60 Lark
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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

StudeRich
10-24-2006, 02:55 AM
Phil; the engine color would be Turquoise, the regular Stude. light green color used on '56-'57's. It is very close to "Old Ford Green", but is available at S.I. in quarts or spray cans.

I don't know the backspace, but I can tell you they should be body color, 4 1/2in. 5 lug bolt pattern, 5 inches wide X15 in. they have 3 small rectangular "slots" cut near center for the small hub cap clips. Same as all '51-'57 Stude. cars except '56J Golden Hawk (had 5 1/2 in. wide).

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

whacker
10-24-2006, 10:01 AM
60lark, is that the one out of nebraska that you were talking about at the Omaha met? It sounded like a great deal!

60Lark
10-24-2006, 07:07 PM
StudeRich - Thanks, It looks as though I will have to do very little to the engine since it is already Turquoise. It also has the correct wheels and color, but I was thinking of getting wider wheels than the stock wheels [?] Wider wheels sure made my 60 Lark and 51 Champion handle better.
Whacker - Yep, the owner sent me several current pics of the car. After I saw the pics and talked a little more in depth with him, I felt that the car was worth more than he was asking, so I made an offer that he readily accepted. But since he was leaving for Arizona for the winter (not in the Hawk), I sent him a deposit check along with a sales/purchase agreement which he signed and returned. I will drive up to get the car when he returns in the spring. I figured that would give me time to sell my 51 Champion, to make room for the Power Hawk. The Champion was sold to the 1st person to look at it, so I now have the room and will be eagerly awaiting spring. The Power Hawk has new Paint, new Phantom Interior, new tires, a freshly rebuilt engine (less than 100 miles since rebuild), along with numerous misc. upgrades, I think it was a steal, even if it needs additional attention, there is plenty of availble room between the purchase price and the value of the car :D

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60 Lark
51 Champion
Phil
Arnold, Missouri

Roscomacaw
10-24-2006, 08:15 PM
Hey! Congrats Phil. Sounds like it's a nice car. How about a photo of it?:)

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60Lark
10-24-2006, 08:25 PM
Thanks Bob, The only pics I have are 35MM photos that were sent to me by the seller, I will try to get them scanned so I can down load them, I don't own a scanner, but may be able to get a friend to scan them for me. Will let you know.

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60 Lark
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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

whacker
10-24-2006, 09:01 PM
60Lark, I think you got a great deal! The seller seemed like a really nice guy, and his asking price sounded reasonable to me. I bought some small parts from him and have been pretty well satisfied with both price and quality. Since you have the room for it, and winter hasn't really set in yet, tou should try to get it home now! Good luck with it!

60Lark
10-25-2006, 12:19 AM
Yes, he is a real nice fella, I made a few inquiries about him and only received positive feedback, all say he is as honest as they get, so I feel very comfortable with the deal. But I will have to wait until he returns from Arizona, he left just a couple of days after we confirmed the deal.

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60 Lark
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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

Dick Steinkamp
10-25-2006, 10:41 AM
Phil,
Good going! Sounds like a super nice car. Will go well with your Lark for sure.

I'm not sure of the backspacing on the stock wheels either, but I don't think backspacing is a big issue. There is plenty of room in the back between the brake drum face and the spring for a wider wheel...the problem will be between the brake drum face and the wheel well lip (front spacing). Somewhat tighter in the front between the brake drum face and suspension components, but not a big deal unless you are going nuts with the wheels. I have 15 x 6 with 3" backspacing on my '54. They fit tight, but they fit.

N8N is the real expert on C/K wheel and tire sizing. Hopefully he'll chime in here. If not, drop him a note.



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60Lark
10-25-2006, 12:29 PM
The wheels I had been looking at were 15x7 /3.75 backspace / -6mm offset

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60 Lark
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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

Jeff_H
10-25-2006, 01:35 PM
Here is some data I compiled while researching putting 6" rims on my '53. The '53 rims are probably the same as your '56's [?]

Stock '53 rim:


Tire bead inside Width: 5"
Overall outside width: 6-1/8"
Backspacing: 4-3/8"
Offset (tire centerline to inside edge): 1-5/16"
Center hole ID: 2-3/4"


Stock '63 lark rim:


Tire bead inside width: 4-1/2"
Overall outside width: 5-5/8"
Backspacing: 3-5/8"
Offset (tire centerline to inside edge): 1-1/16"
Center hole ID: forgot to measure


6" Ford rim, NWRA X-40273:


Tire bead inside width: 6"
Overall outside width: 7-1/8"
Backspacing: 4-1/8"
Offset (tire centerline to inside edge): 9/16"
Center hole ID: 2-3/4"


I've now got the 6" ford rims on the '53 with 205 radials. The only thing I had a issue with is with the saginaw PS the handling got a little twitchy on the highway. I adjusted the caster 2 full turns to lean the kingpins backwards farther and it helped a lot.

Jeff in ND


'53 Champion Hardtop

1956 Hawk
10-25-2006, 03:33 PM
Phil, are you planing to run the same size wheels all around on your Hawk? I would have to look up the back spacing measurements, but I am running 15x8 wheels on the back of my Power Hawk without any problems. I don't think that the wheels you are looking at have enough backspacing though, and the tires will probably hit the fenders on the rear. The front has more of a problem with the tie rods, but I am running skinny tires on the front so I didn't have to worry about it.
David

60Lark
10-25-2006, 04:31 PM
Jeff - Thanks for the info

Hawk, yes my plans were to run the same size all the way around.

I was going to get the wheels before I go get the car, but I think I had better wait until I have the car and wheels in my possesion, so I can take some accurite measurements. Thanks

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Phil
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60Lark
10-26-2006, 02:11 AM
I had the photos scanned, the photos do not have the shadows and are not as dark as the scanned images show but you can still get a pretty good idea as to the condition of the car.

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Phil
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65cruiser
10-26-2006, 06:59 AM
That's beautiful! Why do you want to change the wheels?


quote:Originally posted by 60Lark

I had the photos scanned, the photos do not have the shadows and are not as dark as the scanned images show but you can still get a pretty good idea as to the condition of the car.

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John Kirchhoff
10-26-2006, 10:27 AM
Mighty fine looking car! On the subject of wheels, I use 5 1/2" wide Chrysler wheels I already had. They don't have quite as much offset as the Stude wheels, but the only late model Stude wheels I have with safety rims are so narrow. Maybe it's just a quirk, but I refuse to run wheels without safety rims. If you've ever had a flat on a motorcycle, that experience will surely make you a believer in the merits of safety rims. On a daily driver, modern tires and wheels provide so much more safety in traction, control and tire retention. OEM style tires look great, but given the choice between authenticity and saving my butt in case of a catastrophic loss of air, I'm siding with the old posterior!

60Lark
10-26-2006, 10:32 AM
Thanks Mark, I am anxiusly looking forward to getting her in her new home. My thoughts for going with wider wheels were for better driveability and handling, just going by how much better my 51 Champion and 60 Lark drove and handled after going with wider wheels. The radial tires on the narrow stock wheels tend to roll more than with wider wheels. I probably will wait until I actually have the car to better determine weather I want change the wheels or not.

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Phil
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StudeRich
10-26-2006, 02:30 PM
Wow Phil that is one impressive Power Hawk![^][^]:) I have the one that my Dad sold new as a Stude. salesman and it is rust free and nice, but not as perfect as that! The chrome and stainless look as new.
The only thing I see that he did wrong is the Green paint on the valve covers (should be simi-gloss black with 259 decals) and the '54-'55 decklid handle that was added. Also the '57 Wheelcovers, which in my opinion are an improvement. If I were you I would NOT even think about changing wheels, those are the wider 5 in. ones which work great with P205X75R15 radials, and those are what you need for handling NOT fat rims! I guess that "in the day" most people never dreamed that these cars would be as collectable and valuable as they have become, so it was common to add remove and swap-out Stude. parts on some as I have done also, but now they need to be either fairly heavily MODIFIED or completely STOCK to be desireable.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

60Lark
10-26-2006, 03:30 PM
StudeRich - Thanks for the comments, I am not sure how much is correct, other than what can be seen in the pics, he said he has made very few upgrades that are not correct or original but I will have to wait until he gets home from Arizona before I can go and retreive it before I will know for sure. Regardless of the lack of originality, I am satisfied that it was a GREAT deal. I don't like the green/turquoise valve covers, that will be corrected, I know the deck handle isn't correct, but I like it, the wheel covers do look good too, they are either new repro or NOS, I can't remember which. He said that all of the brightwork is either NOS, polished, or replated.

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Phil
Arnold, Missouri

StudeRich
10-26-2006, 04:18 PM
Well Phil, I can tell you this, that interior, door panels, seats etc. and everything about that car is so close to dead-on original that I would not change any more and probably put everything back to correct since it is so close![^] The only things I saw in the pic's that I did not mention is the right hand mounted antenna and the vacuum gauge, and the gauge is fine, that could have been dealer upgraded to Golden Hawk type and they are GREAT to drive by, keeping your vac. as high as possible while maintaining road speed is a good thing for the engine and fuel mileage. [^] But hey, it's your car, put a put big-block 454 in it if you want![xx(]
Rich.


quote:Originally posted by 60Lark

StudeRich - Thanks for the comments, I am not sure how much is correct, other than what can be seen in the pics, he said he has made very few upgrades that are not correct or original

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

60Lark
10-27-2006, 01:15 AM
Naw Rich, I won't be doing anything like that, I love the stude V-8 engine although the 259 isn't a speed demon, it is a strong running powerplant. I plan on keeping it as original as I can. I do have a question, were chrome valve covers an option from the factory on this car? Just a thought, since I already have a set of chrome valve covers, if not I will paint them black as they were to begin with. I do plan on putting in a new Pertronix breakerless ignition, I did that to my Lark and am very pleased with it.

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Phil
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studeclunker
10-27-2006, 03:22 AM
Yep! This is where I need that pea-green envy smilie. Most definitely. My favourite year and model of Hawk. I even like the colour. You're a very fortuneate man! Congratulations on a right good car!

Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

60Lark
10-27-2006, 07:55 AM
Thanks Ron ;)

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StudeRich
10-28-2006, 03:05 AM
Phil; I am not aware of any Chrome valve covers being original Stude. issue except an option on '56J Golden Hawk 352 Packard Engines, '63-'64 Stude. V-8's, and standard on "R" Jet Thrust & Avanti.
Yes I too, can verify that Pertronix electronic ignition is the way to go!
Actually a 259 can be way faster with 4 barrel, duals and a little tweeking like a R1-2 Camshaft, my Power Hawk is a Automatic 3.31 ratio with factory "power pack" and gets it on just fine![^]


quote:Originally posted by 60Lark

I do have a question, were chrome valve covers an option from the factory on this car? Just a thought, since I already have a set of chrome valve covers, if not I will paint them black as they were to begin with. I do plan on putting in a new Pertronix breakerless ignition, I did that to my Lark and am very pleased with it.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

raprice
10-28-2006, 03:51 PM
From here, it's a real beaut! And the interior looks great.
Best of luck with it. Doesn't look like to need to do a lot of work on it.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

60Lark
10-28-2006, 04:59 PM
StudeRich - Thanks for the helpful input

raprice - Thanks for the positive comments

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60Lark
10-29-2006, 12:28 AM
StudeRich - The 4-BRL and Duals are definately going to happen, after that I may look into the R1-2 Camshaft

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