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studeclunker
10-22-2006, 10:52 PM
There's a risk to driving a Studebaker nowdays. That risk is someone packing it up while you're gone and squashing it into a recycle cube. You say not so? You're wrong!

Here in California Studebakers are referred to by our state government as 'Gross Polluters'. They are going to get rid of them one way or another. We were warned about this years ago and everyone just laughed. Well they're doing it. What California does, the other states follow.

In several counties the abatement districts are loading up people's cars and hauling them off. This is done in the interest of 'cleaning up the neighborhood'. In very few cases is this a good thing. I wouldn't want to live next door to a junk yard. Still, that's his right. As long as someone's cars don't endanger my health and well-being that's their business not mine. There are nonetheless a very few people who need to be reminded that they live in a community. The rest of us need our rights to private property respected. Our elected and public officials have forgotten their boundries, however.

In Shasta county if a car isn't running it is a junk car by county definition. It must be kept in a building of some sort or the county will haul it off. They tried cutting the locks on a few garages and got the snot sued out of them. Yes you can do this. You can resist. What the county did is called 'illegal search and seisure.' The Supreme Court had determined that anything that is outside, that is, out side of a building, is free game. Inside however is a different story. If your county or city starts harrasing, you must resist. I know it's a pain and time consuming. It is however, how our government works. It's your duty.

Part of the problem is two lies promoted by our government and the educational system. The first is that you can't fight city hall. NONSENSE! You must do so! Martin Luther King, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Luther, and many other historical figures would shout AMEN! The second lie promoted by our government and the educational system is two fold; one side says your vote doesn't count, the other says that we have only three branches of our government (Congressional, Judicial, and Executive). Both are a LIE! Any special interest will tell you your vote most certainly does count. The elected officials are painfully aware of this. If we have only three branches of our government, why does the US Constitution start with "We the People"? The problem with our government is us. The PEOPLE are not doing our job. Vote please. DO NOT VOTE FOR AN INCUMBENT, REPUBLICAN, OR DEMOCRAT. Very important. These people need to hear the people. This is how you do it. Please vote.

We have an election coming up. If you want to continue enjoying your Studebakers in the future you must exercise your responsibility and vote. I don't say rights, I say responsibility. If you don't vote, you might as well start saying 'Baaa..'

And Mr Shaw? If this isn't a studebaker centrist thread, I'll eat my Lark!


Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

Thomas63R2
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
Every now and then I find myself reminding the car loving automotive hobbyists I know that they need to pay attention to who and what they are voting for. The SEMA Action Network, www.semasan.com , has been trying to watch out for elected officials who are friendly to the car hobby - and those who are not. The funny thing about car haters is when they realize that the same way that old cars "under construction" (sometimes very slow construction) are being taken away and crushed, is the same way that some of the things they love and enjoy can be taken away. There are too many people busy with the details of other peoples lives - we need to stand up for the old car hobby, joining the SEMA Action Network is a great first step.

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

Thomas63R2
10-22-2006, 11:10 PM
Every now and then I find myself reminding the car loving automotive hobbyists I know that they need to pay attention to who and what they are voting for. The SEMA Action Network, www.semasan.com , has been trying to watch out for elected officials who are friendly to the car hobby - and those who are not. The funny thing about car haters is when they realize that the same way that old cars "under construction" (sometimes very slow construction) are being taken away and crushed, is the same way that some of the things they love and enjoy can be taken away. There are too many people busy with the details of other peoples lives - we need to stand up for the old car hobby, joining the SEMA Action Network is a great first step.

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
'63 Avanti R2 4 speed with interesting plans

sbca96
10-23-2006, 03:00 AM
I live in a neighborhood with an association. This is usually not the
type of neighborhood that a "car guy" would want to take root. There
are quite strick rules regarding working on your car (forbidden in the
driveway) and leaving your garage door open. They also have rules on
vehicles not running in your driveway. The city has the "abandoned
vehicle" rule, that basically says that a vehicle that doesnt move in
more then 48 hours has been abandoned. They will leave a notice on
the car with intention to tow. My Avanti received one of these while
parked IN FRONT of my house. I had some choice words with the Police
in regards to my FULLY registered, and FULLY insured car. The thing
is, I both agree, and disagree with this policy. In my case, this was
a vehicle that LOOKED like it was mobile. I have a neighbor behind
our house who has a Chrysler LeBaron convertible in his driveway (a
renter) that has 4 flat tires and the top is tearing off in the wind.
There is a washing machine, dryer, and refrigerator behind it next to
the garage. How neighbors close to him, who have to SEE this can put
up with it, is beyond me. This is a difficult topic. They can not
load up your car, and tow it away without notice. To avoid the car
being towed, you just have to MOVE it. Its not rocket science. What
is MORE of a threat to our hobby is the cars for smog program. This
one allows smog producing companies on Michigan to buy cars here in
California, and get smog credits so they dont have to clean up. This
is SUCH a bogus idea .. I dont see what this is doing for the air in
Michigan. When this program first got started, the cars HAD to be
crushed to get credit. I have read more recently, due to car hobby
guys, there is a parts program now. But this isnt for EVERY car. I
totally agree with cleaning the air, and soil, and support the effort
that was originally intended, but as with all good plans, polititians
get a hand in it, and ruin it. I also dont evac R12 refrigerent into
the air, or pour anti-freeze into my toilet like some. I take my car
to a service center to have to flushed instead. I noticed a neighbor
of mine flushing his right into a storm drain, he is also the guy who
left a note on my wifes car while it was parked on the side of his
house over night. She exchanged words with him about it, and told him
that we WILL report him next time we see him do that. The next day she
got a lengthy apology note. I also have reason to believe that he was
the one that hit my Camaro, but have no proof. We as car guys need to
be considerate of our neighbors within reason, though I can honestly
say that recent events make it more difficult for me.

I dont think there is a threat to DRIVING a Studebaker, just PARKING
a Studebaker. Thats the reason this is the Studebaker DRIVERS club!;)

Tom

sbca96
10-23-2006, 03:00 AM
I live in a neighborhood with an association. This is usually not the
type of neighborhood that a "car guy" would want to take root. There
are quite strick rules regarding working on your car (forbidden in the
driveway) and leaving your garage door open. They also have rules on
vehicles not running in your driveway. The city has the "abandoned
vehicle" rule, that basically says that a vehicle that doesnt move in
more then 48 hours has been abandoned. They will leave a notice on
the car with intention to tow. My Avanti received one of these while
parked IN FRONT of my house. I had some choice words with the Police
in regards to my FULLY registered, and FULLY insured car. The thing
is, I both agree, and disagree with this policy. In my case, this was
a vehicle that LOOKED like it was mobile. I have a neighbor behind
our house who has a Chrysler LeBaron convertible in his driveway (a
renter) that has 4 flat tires and the top is tearing off in the wind.
There is a washing machine, dryer, and refrigerator behind it next to
the garage. How neighbors close to him, who have to SEE this can put
up with it, is beyond me. This is a difficult topic. They can not
load up your car, and tow it away without notice. To avoid the car
being towed, you just have to MOVE it. Its not rocket science. What
is MORE of a threat to our hobby is the cars for smog program. This
one allows smog producing companies on Michigan to buy cars here in
California, and get smog credits so they dont have to clean up. This
is SUCH a bogus idea .. I dont see what this is doing for the air in
Michigan. When this program first got started, the cars HAD to be
crushed to get credit. I have read more recently, due to car hobby
guys, there is a parts program now. But this isnt for EVERY car. I
totally agree with cleaning the air, and soil, and support the effort
that was originally intended, but as with all good plans, polititians
get a hand in it, and ruin it. I also dont evac R12 refrigerent into
the air, or pour anti-freeze into my toilet like some. I take my car
to a service center to have to flushed instead. I noticed a neighbor
of mine flushing his right into a storm drain, he is also the guy who
left a note on my wifes car while it was parked on the side of his
house over night. She exchanged words with him about it, and told him
that we WILL report him next time we see him do that. The next day she
got a lengthy apology note. I also have reason to believe that he was
the one that hit my Camaro, but have no proof. We as car guys need to
be considerate of our neighbors within reason, though I can honestly
say that recent events make it more difficult for me.

I dont think there is a threat to DRIVING a Studebaker, just PARKING
a Studebaker. Thats the reason this is the Studebaker DRIVERS club!;)

Tom

lstude
10-23-2006, 05:14 AM
Here in Central Virginia, we have an organization called the Central Virginia Car Club Council which is basically a lobbiest group that monitors the state legislature for any proposed law that might be detrimental to the old car hobby. Our chapter belongs as does the Greater Virginia Chapter. The web site is:

http://www.carclubcouncil.com/index.html

Every state (especially California!) should have a group like this. Here is some info from the site.

Welcome to the web site of the Car Club Council of Central Virginia. The CCCCVA was founded in 1995. Currently there are 47 member clubs and organizations plus individual (associate) members. The goals of the council are to provide communications between car clubs, monitor legislation that could effect the car hobby and provide members of the council with information so that they can have a positive influence on auto-related legislation.

Virginia has developed a reputation as a car hobby friendly state. In 1999 the antique vehicle registration was changed by the General Assembly so that, for the first time, antique vehicles were allowed 250 miles of pleasure driving every day. In 2000 a bill became law that allows vehicles 25 or more years old to be exempt emissions testing. During the 2004 session of the Assembly a bill was passed and signed into law by the governor to allow car hobbyists to keep parts and project cars on their property as long as the vehicles were out of ordinary view from a road.

Clubs, organizations and individuals are invited to become members of the council. The council meets the last Monday of the even numbered months at various local restaurants. There is a special legislative meeting each January. Dues are only $10 per year. Members receive the monthly newsletter, "The Relay" and it is available online at this site.


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
10-23-2006, 05:14 AM
Here in Central Virginia, we have an organization called the Central Virginia Car Club Council which is basically a lobbiest group that monitors the state legislature for any proposed law that might be detrimental to the old car hobby. Our chapter belongs as does the Greater Virginia Chapter. The web site is:

http://www.carclubcouncil.com/index.html

Every state (especially California!) should have a group like this. Here is some info from the site.

Welcome to the web site of the Car Club Council of Central Virginia. The CCCCVA was founded in 1995. Currently there are 47 member clubs and organizations plus individual (associate) members. The goals of the council are to provide communications between car clubs, monitor legislation that could effect the car hobby and provide members of the council with information so that they can have a positive influence on auto-related legislation.

Virginia has developed a reputation as a car hobby friendly state. In 1999 the antique vehicle registration was changed by the General Assembly so that, for the first time, antique vehicles were allowed 250 miles of pleasure driving every day. In 2000 a bill became law that allows vehicles 25 or more years old to be exempt emissions testing. During the 2004 session of the Assembly a bill was passed and signed into law by the governor to allow car hobbyists to keep parts and project cars on their property as long as the vehicles were out of ordinary view from a road.

Clubs, organizations and individuals are invited to become members of the council. The council meets the last Monday of the even numbered months at various local restaurants. There is a special legislative meeting each January. Dues are only $10 per year. Members receive the monthly newsletter, "The Relay" and it is available online at this site.


Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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John Kirchhoff
10-23-2006, 07:55 AM
California seems to have too many people interested in other people's business rather than their own and I'm not just talking about cars. I know what I'd do Tom concerning the 48 hour rule. Every two days the car'd get moved forward or backward 10 feet. You'd get your exercise if you did it buy hand. By the way, how do the "authorities" find out abou these cars? Do the neighbors (if you can call them that) call them in or do they pay people to cruise around looking for them? Either way, what fine use of taxpayers money!

John Kirchhoff
10-23-2006, 07:55 AM
California seems to have too many people interested in other people's business rather than their own and I'm not just talking about cars. I know what I'd do Tom concerning the 48 hour rule. Every two days the car'd get moved forward or backward 10 feet. You'd get your exercise if you did it buy hand. By the way, how do the "authorities" find out abou these cars? Do the neighbors (if you can call them that) call them in or do they pay people to cruise around looking for them? Either way, what fine use of taxpayers money!

lstude
10-23-2006, 10:34 AM
I sent this discussion to Fred Fann of the Central Virginia Car Club Council and this was his reply:

Thanks for sending the comments. We use SEMA but one has to be careful as they do not represent car hobbyists - SEMA represents its paid members who are the companies that sell us parts.
It took us 3 years of trying in the General Assembly to get a law passed that allows hobbyists to have project and parts cars on their property if it is out of ordinary view.
One thing hobbyists can learn from the SEMA SAN site is that most states are doing the same thing to car hobbyists and there are lots of states with car councils that are working to change things.
Fred
is discussion to Fred Fann of the Central Virginia Car Club Council and here is his reply:



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
10-23-2006, 10:34 AM
I sent this discussion to Fred Fann of the Central Virginia Car Club Council and this was his reply:

Thanks for sending the comments. We use SEMA but one has to be careful as they do not represent car hobbyists - SEMA represents its paid members who are the companies that sell us parts.
It took us 3 years of trying in the General Assembly to get a law passed that allows hobbyists to have project and parts cars on their property if it is out of ordinary view.
One thing hobbyists can learn from the SEMA SAN site is that most states are doing the same thing to car hobbyists and there are lots of states with car councils that are working to change things.
Fred
is discussion to Fred Fann of the Central Virginia Car Club Council and here is his reply:



Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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raprice
10-23-2006, 11:16 AM
I agree that it's kind of scary to realize that local governments can and do things such as hauling away people's cars to the scrap yard. And people feel helpless. I also agree that this is the land OF THE PEOPLE and we have a right to protect our property, including our old cars.
What scares me even more is the apathy among old car folks, thinking that it can't happen to them.
So far, in New York State, we've been lucky. But we have enough car clubs which keep a wary eye on out state legislators and look for any indication that something's wrong.
Rog
'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

raprice
10-23-2006, 11:16 AM
I agree that it's kind of scary to realize that local governments can and do things such as hauling away people's cars to the scrap yard. And people feel helpless. I also agree that this is the land OF THE PEOPLE and we have a right to protect our property, including our old cars.
What scares me even more is the apathy among old car folks, thinking that it can't happen to them.
So far, in New York State, we've been lucky. But we have enough car clubs which keep a wary eye on out state legislators and look for any indication that something's wrong.
Rog
'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop

N8N
10-23-2006, 11:34 AM
The next time someone calls your car a "gross polluter" point out to them that the amount of pollution caused by producing a new, replacement vehicle would be far more than your vehicle will emit over the next decade.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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N8N
10-23-2006, 11:34 AM
The next time someone calls your car a "gross polluter" point out to them that the amount of pollution caused by producing a new, replacement vehicle would be far more than your vehicle will emit over the next decade.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel

Studedude1961
10-23-2006, 12:58 PM
12 years ago I got the hell out of California and these posts only reinforce why. As we head into November and election season and we all prepare to go into the voting booth, among the issues and personalities involved ask yourself, "would this candidate safeguard my Studebaker (or other possessions)?" If the answer is no, vote the monsters out. We have a lot of politicians who are dead set to change this country in ways unimaginable only a few short years ago. It's up to us to say and vote "HELL NO."

Sorry for the rant but a country where politicians can steal cars is no longer a country most of us would want to live in. Let's take it back. To borrow a phrase from NRA: "You'll only get my Studebaker when you pry the steering wheel out of my dead cold hands."

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-23-2006, 12:58 PM
12 years ago I got the hell out of California and these posts only reinforce why. As we head into November and election season and we all prepare to go into the voting booth, among the issues and personalities involved ask yourself, "would this candidate safeguard my Studebaker (or other possessions)?" If the answer is no, vote the monsters out. We have a lot of politicians who are dead set to change this country in ways unimaginable only a few short years ago. It's up to us to say and vote "HELL NO."

Sorry for the rant but a country where politicians can steal cars is no longer a country most of us would want to live in. Let's take it back. To borrow a phrase from NRA: "You'll only get my Studebaker when you pry the steering wheel out of my dead cold hands."

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Scott
10-23-2006, 04:20 PM
So, in CA you could find a Studebaker somewhere where its not "supposed to be", check on it to see if it has current tabs, and if not, just haul it away and take it home? That what it sounds like. And if so, if the "owner" tried to sue you for it back, could you use the California laws to back up your claim to it? Talk about redistribution of property. Karl Marx has taught the California legislature well.

Scott
10-23-2006, 04:20 PM
So, in CA you could find a Studebaker somewhere where its not "supposed to be", check on it to see if it has current tabs, and if not, just haul it away and take it home? That what it sounds like. And if so, if the "owner" tried to sue you for it back, could you use the California laws to back up your claim to it? Talk about redistribution of property. Karl Marx has taught the California legislature well.

Scott
10-23-2006, 04:35 PM
About the environmental aspect, has anyone ever tried to put a catalytic converter on a Studebaker? Do Chevy swaps usually include putting in the emission stuff? I've never heard of it being done, but I suppose it could be done. Now, how does the state know what's under the hood? If they categorize ALL Studebakers as gross polluters, how does that affect what modifiers do? If you put a 2006 Corvette motor and emmission system in your "gross polluter" is it still a gross polluter? Well, I have heard the law is blind...

Scott
10-23-2006, 04:35 PM
About the environmental aspect, has anyone ever tried to put a catalytic converter on a Studebaker? Do Chevy swaps usually include putting in the emission stuff? I've never heard of it being done, but I suppose it could be done. Now, how does the state know what's under the hood? If they categorize ALL Studebakers as gross polluters, how does that affect what modifiers do? If you put a 2006 Corvette motor and emmission system in your "gross polluter" is it still a gross polluter? Well, I have heard the law is blind...

JBOYLE
10-23-2006, 04:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott
Karl Marx has taught the California legislature well.

With the global warming hysteria, the enviromentalists will eventually see to it that only "high ranking party members" and their (rich) freinds will be abble to have any cars.:D

Here in the People's Republic, a senate candidate is saying she's a friend of the working man and is ticked about high gas prices. She constantly assails "big oil". Good for her...but what her ads don't say is she was a leader in the "No drilling movement" in the new Alaska oil field. Then she demanded an answer from the oil industry why prices in the state were so high and was told refineries in the Rocky Mountain area are having trouble adapting to new pollution standards.
Well then, how about giving the working man a break?
No, she'd rather stand with the enviro guys than her beloved "working man".
"Special interests" go both ways...

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
10-23-2006, 04:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott
Karl Marx has taught the California legislature well.

With the global warming hysteria, the enviromentalists will eventually see to it that only "high ranking party members" and their (rich) freinds will be abble to have any cars.:D

Here in the People's Republic, a senate candidate is saying she's a friend of the working man and is ticked about high gas prices. She constantly assails "big oil". Good for her...but what her ads don't say is she was a leader in the "No drilling movement" in the new Alaska oil field. Then she demanded an answer from the oil industry why prices in the state were so high and was told refineries in the Rocky Mountain area are having trouble adapting to new pollution standards.
Well then, how about giving the working man a break?
No, she'd rather stand with the enviro guys than her beloved "working man".
"Special interests" go both ways...

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

BShaw
10-23-2006, 05:17 PM
If you can keep this thread related to Studebakers and the old car hobby I'll let it go on. However, if you insist on shifting it elsewhere, I will delete it. Fair enough?

BShaw,Webmaster
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Woodbury, Minnesota

BShaw
10-23-2006, 05:17 PM
If you can keep this thread related to Studebakers and the old car hobby I'll let it go on. However, if you insist on shifting it elsewhere, I will delete it. Fair enough?

BShaw,Webmaster
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Woodbury, Minnesota

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 09:20 PM
I live outside the city, which has one of those inoperable vehicle impoundment laws. Still, It seems like the most restrictive laws happen to be in upscale, densely populated suburban residential areas. But, there are areas that are less particular, and enforcement is selective. So, if you decide that your lifestyle must include having a few inoperable or project vehicles on it, be prepared to take up residence in some area where you will have to make some concessions to nuisances of other kinds that your neighbors may have. Also, you might have an area of mixed uses--an older residential area on large lots, with industrial plants or stuff like that nearby. I happen to live in a nice, peaceful area on dead-end street with good neighbors. But, we are adjacent to an interstate, close to an airport, a race track, a fire station, a railroad yard, and various other commercial businesses. You hear guns going off on a regular basis, as people practice for hunting season(no, we're not in the 'hood). And, there is a couple of new subdivisions full of large houses going in nearby, and an auto enthusiast(unless they are a late-model "wax nut")would be crazy to move in there. Doubtless, they have numerous deed restrictions on what you can do, and an HOA. Hopefully, the homeowners there won't start complaining about seeing too many "eyesores" on the way to their new dream home and demanding strictly enforced ordinances for everyone else to follow. But, I suppose it will get that away one of these days. [:0]

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 09:20 PM
I live outside the city, which has one of those inoperable vehicle impoundment laws. Still, It seems like the most restrictive laws happen to be in upscale, densely populated suburban residential areas. But, there are areas that are less particular, and enforcement is selective. So, if you decide that your lifestyle must include having a few inoperable or project vehicles on it, be prepared to take up residence in some area where you will have to make some concessions to nuisances of other kinds that your neighbors may have. Also, you might have an area of mixed uses--an older residential area on large lots, with industrial plants or stuff like that nearby. I happen to live in a nice, peaceful area on dead-end street with good neighbors. But, we are adjacent to an interstate, close to an airport, a race track, a fire station, a railroad yard, and various other commercial businesses. You hear guns going off on a regular basis, as people practice for hunting season(no, we're not in the 'hood). And, there is a couple of new subdivisions full of large houses going in nearby, and an auto enthusiast(unless they are a late-model "wax nut")would be crazy to move in there. Doubtless, they have numerous deed restrictions on what you can do, and an HOA. Hopefully, the homeowners there won't start complaining about seeing too many "eyesores" on the way to their new dream home and demanding strictly enforced ordinances for everyone else to follow. But, I suppose it will get that away one of these days. [:0]

sbca96
10-23-2006, 11:53 PM
Well .. I hope this thread doesnt get deleted, its a chance to dispell
some rumors about California laws, and their effect on other States.

The 48 hour rule is turned in by a neighbor, the City doesnt have the
resources to have Police trolling for vehicles. The departments public
relations person explained that rarely (unless its too obvious) does a
Police officer initiate an abandoned vehicle notice. You can thank
your neighbors (as I did) for that. The notice that I got, was left
ON the Avanti, and the tires were marked. TOO clearly I must add!!:(

Those that think that they are "safe" outside of evil California will
have a rude awakening when their State adopts "what works" elsewhere.
We have had this conversation over and over on the Impala Forum when
guys are removing catalytic converters to get an imaginary 25 hp they
read about on some other forum. The truth of the matter is that the
CAT's today "waste" about 2 hp each. Not much to worry about, and not
enough to risk the FEDERAL (yes Federal ALL States) fine for removing.
A recent test done on a NEW Corvette found that removing the CATs was
actually worth LESS HP on the dyno. Yah .. they are tuned for them!
California smog laws are coming to a State near you! Be prepared.

Not all old cars are considered to be "gross polluters", a properly
tuned Studebaker can pass most smog tests for older vehicles without
any trouble. California Smog Laws dont even apply to any Studebakers,
since they are older then the 1975 cutoff. They are EXEMPT. Avanti
II's will fall under smog laws, and I can use that as an example to
keep this "Studebaker related". This is the current law :

"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."

This means that a 1976 Avanti II needs to pass smog tests that are
defined for a vehicle of its year. It has higher allowable emissions
then a car, say 1996. Unfortunately, if you decide to upgrade the
engine in the Avanti II, to something NEWER then 1976, then the car
must pass emissions standards for the year of the engine. If you were
to install a 1996 LT1 Corvette motor, then the car MUST pass tests as
the car you removed the engine from - a 1996 Corvette. This isnt as
hard as it sounds, just means that the air pump must be there (they
are plastic electric pumps these days that only run when cold) and it
should have a CAT in the exhaust the same distance from the manifold
as the Corvette.

I dont think that realistically someone can just come and take a car
from your property without notice and claim its theirs. Thats stealing
regardless of it being registered. Currently there is litigation on
tow companies in LA that are towing legally parked cars, and holding
them for ransom. Someone will always break rules, so its in YOUR best
interest to REGISTER your Studebakers, and not leave them for days and
days on the street unattended and unchecked.

Tom

sbca96
10-23-2006, 11:53 PM
Well .. I hope this thread doesnt get deleted, its a chance to dispell
some rumors about California laws, and their effect on other States.

The 48 hour rule is turned in by a neighbor, the City doesnt have the
resources to have Police trolling for vehicles. The departments public
relations person explained that rarely (unless its too obvious) does a
Police officer initiate an abandoned vehicle notice. You can thank
your neighbors (as I did) for that. The notice that I got, was left
ON the Avanti, and the tires were marked. TOO clearly I must add!!:(

Those that think that they are "safe" outside of evil California will
have a rude awakening when their State adopts "what works" elsewhere.
We have had this conversation over and over on the Impala Forum when
guys are removing catalytic converters to get an imaginary 25 hp they
read about on some other forum. The truth of the matter is that the
CAT's today "waste" about 2 hp each. Not much to worry about, and not
enough to risk the FEDERAL (yes Federal ALL States) fine for removing.
A recent test done on a NEW Corvette found that removing the CATs was
actually worth LESS HP on the dyno. Yah .. they are tuned for them!
California smog laws are coming to a State near you! Be prepared.

Not all old cars are considered to be "gross polluters", a properly
tuned Studebaker can pass most smog tests for older vehicles without
any trouble. California Smog Laws dont even apply to any Studebakers,
since they are older then the 1975 cutoff. They are EXEMPT. Avanti
II's will fall under smog laws, and I can use that as an example to
keep this "Studebaker related". This is the current law :

"Beginning April 1, 2005, the 30-year rolling exemption has been repealed. Instead, vehicles 1975 model-year and older will be exempt. Therefore, 1976 model-year and newer vehicles will continue to be subject to biennial inspection indefinitely."

This means that a 1976 Avanti II needs to pass smog tests that are
defined for a vehicle of its year. It has higher allowable emissions
then a car, say 1996. Unfortunately, if you decide to upgrade the
engine in the Avanti II, to something NEWER then 1976, then the car
must pass emissions standards for the year of the engine. If you were
to install a 1996 LT1 Corvette motor, then the car MUST pass tests as
the car you removed the engine from - a 1996 Corvette. This isnt as
hard as it sounds, just means that the air pump must be there (they
are plastic electric pumps these days that only run when cold) and it
should have a CAT in the exhaust the same distance from the manifold
as the Corvette.

I dont think that realistically someone can just come and take a car
from your property without notice and claim its theirs. Thats stealing
regardless of it being registered. Currently there is litigation on
tow companies in LA that are towing legally parked cars, and holding
them for ransom. Someone will always break rules, so its in YOUR best
interest to REGISTER your Studebakers, and not leave them for days and
days on the street unattended and unchecked.

Tom