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Alexander Feiman
05-09-2008, 04:05 PM
what is the measurement across wheel mount surface ? thanks---alf

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Flashback
05-09-2008, 04:26 PM
On what?

Tex E. Grier

buddymander
05-09-2008, 04:42 PM
On that there ol white car I reckon...

Alexander Feiman
05-09-2008, 05:11 PM
53-54 coupe need to change rearend

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Alexander Feiman
05-09-2008, 05:15 PM
are all stude rears same

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mbstude
05-09-2008, 05:28 PM
quote: are all stude rears same

Yep. Any Stude Dana 44 or 27 will fit in most all others. Truck rear ends are a different width, however.

So, could you take a Dana 44 from a '63 Lark 4 door and put it in your '53? Absolutely. :)

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52 Ragtop
05-09-2008, 06:01 PM
52 rear axles are 1" shorter on the shaft it self.

Jim

oldguy
05-12-2008, 06:44 PM
I think the specific answer to your question is 55 1/2 inches. Correction, anyone?


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"Of course it will fit, I have a torch"

ST2DE5
05-12-2008, 09:40 PM
Thanks oldguy829. I was wondering when somebody was going to answer that question. If that is flange to flange I need to find a 9" rearend for my 56 wagon.

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Pat Dilling
05-12-2008, 09:48 PM
FWIW, I have an 8" from a Maverick. It is 56", fits very well.

Pat

Pat Dilling
Olivehurst, CA
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gaboy
05-13-2008, 02:24 PM
Just slap in a Mustang with disc brakes like we did with "black lightning" that holds the Vette power!!

oldguy
05-13-2008, 03:10 PM
As you may know, all the stude rear ends are the same width. I don't believe you can find a 9" to fit. 58 or 59 " is she shortest (from an old hacks memory). they can be shortened, at great expense.
S10 rear ends late 80's to about 02 came as narrow as 54", and some (few) were posi. After chasing the same issue for a month, I went back to Stude. Just got a rearend today out of a 55 commander. It will bolt right in and it is a dana44. The posi units are available, and I don't believe too expensive, but not being a rear end specialist, I'm not sure what all needs to be changed. Be careful, as some studes had dana 27's and in the dana 44 I was told to get gears from 328? or higher and a posi would work. The tag on this one is 43/13 (330) so I think I'm on the right track. I'll let you know if I've made a mistake. don

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"Of course it will fit, I have a torch"

Alexander Feiman
05-13-2008, 03:33 PM
thanks the lenght in inches is what i was lookink for i should have stated that from the start but i had what my friends call a " senior moment" thanks to all before i forget what the question is or was --- alf

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oldguy
05-14-2008, 09:59 AM
One drawback to the web is the anonymity. don't know if you're talking to a class builder looking for one little bit of info, or a newb, so no offense intended. Several S10 posi rear ends on ebay. About $500 plus shipping (and they all seem to be in florida) At 54 inches, (flange to flange) theres room for adapters to a 5x4.5 bolt pattern, from the chevy 5x4.75.

Flange to flange on the Stude should be 55.5, but I don't have one to measure. Was hoping someone would confirm. The stude rims I have are zero offset, and the factory specs are 55.5 rear trac width, ergo.....

San antonio TX. 53 Champion Coupe, to be brought back from the dead.
"Of course it will fit, I have a torch"

Alan
05-14-2008, 10:17 AM
The 57-59 Ford 9" was 58" give or take a 1/2" depending on the size of the brakes. But the 57 T-Bird had a 56" wide 9". See if you could get one of those cheap. Stude rims should have about 4.3" back space for the 5 1/2" rim.

ST2DE5
05-14-2008, 06:46 PM
I found a 8 3/4 rearend from a Dodge It is 56 inches between the flanges. I would like to put American Racing wheels 105 Series on the 56 Parkview wagon. I don't know if that will give me enough room.

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Dick Steinkamp
05-14-2008, 06:55 PM
quote:Originally posted by ST2DE5

I found a 8 3/4 rearend from a Dodge It is 56 inches between the flanges. I would like to put American Racing wheels 105 Series on the 56 Parkview wagon. I don't know if that will give me enough room.



Depends upon their width and offset/backspacing.

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ST2DE5
05-14-2008, 07:19 PM
I'll have to check on the back spaceing but the width I looked a was 6 inch

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Jerry Forrester
05-14-2008, 08:41 PM
I don't think that could be right. Sounds way too short to me. I'm going to have to go out back and measure one tomorrow. I'll post my results wheather I'm right or wrong.
I have [u]some</u> experience with Stude rear ends.[:p];)

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quote:Originally posted by oldguy829

I think the specific answer to your question is 55 1/2 inches. Correction, anyone?


San antonio TX. 53 Champion Coupe, to be brought back from the dead.
"Of course it will fit, I have a torch"


Jerry Forrester
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
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N8N
05-14-2008, 08:43 PM
If anything you want to go narrower than stock, as most aftermarket wheels have less offset than the original Stude wheels.

nate

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leyrret
05-15-2008, 05:06 AM
I have one laying in the shop. It's 58" between wheel mounting surfaces with drums installed. Backing plate to backing plate 52" at closest
point. Flange to flange add about 1/2"

Dick Steinkamp
05-15-2008, 09:28 AM
quote:Originally posted by leyrret

I have one laying in the shop.


One what?



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oldguy
05-15-2008, 10:29 AM
My bad. disregard my comment. [my wheels are not offset as described above, obviously not Stude wheels. I was fooled because they look right on the front stock suspension, but too wide on the rear. thought it was the chevy rear end being too wide.] I will refrain from further assumptions.

San antonio TX. 53 Champion Coupe, to be brought back from the dead.
"Of course it will fit, I have a torch"

Jerry Forrester
05-15-2008, 11:13 AM
I just went out and measured a Stude Hawk rear end and 58" is correct.


quote:Originally posted by leyrret

I have one laying in the shop. It's 58" between wheel mounting surfaces with drums installed. Backing plate to backing plate 52" at closest
point. Flange to flange add about 1/2"


Jerry Forrester
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME_ and my EZ33 store http://tinyurl.com/2g2j88
for your shiny Stude stuff

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ST2DE5
05-15-2008, 12:26 PM
So is the Hawk rearend the same as the 56 wagon? The one I have spotted is 56 inches so with the right back space on the mag wheels it should work.

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leyrret
05-15-2008, 04:51 PM
The"one" is a 44 dated 1956 out of hawk. I also have another dated 62. and another dated 66 in my 56J. They all measure the same.

buddymander
05-15-2008, 04:58 PM
Can we first establish what the widest tire that is possible on a Stude without cutting the body; inside or out/ I figure about a 265.60. Any confirmation? I say you get the wheels and tires you want and then fit up a rearend. Any front dropout rearend like the ford nine or eight or mopar 8 3/4 can be narrowed on one side by substituting a short axle on the long side. Then all you have to do is shorten one side of the housing. And all for a lot less than some junk S-10 7 1/2 inch jobber.

Alan
05-15-2008, 05:55 PM
Buddy, There is a big difference between the C's & K's and sedans or Larks. The largest tire I have ever installed under a K, was 295 X 60 X 15 on an 8" rim with 5 3/4" backspace. You will have about 1/4" between the spring and tire and the fender and tire. The sedans you will have to talk to some one else about that since I have no first hand knowledge.

Jerry Forrester
05-15-2008, 08:30 PM
With long enough shackles, you can put any size tire you want to on it.[}:)][}:)][}:)]

Here's the wheel/tire combo I have on Leo. I have 1 3/4" wide leaf springs moved to the inside of the shackle and have the fender lip rolled. I have 1/2" clearance between the tire and the spring and 1/2" clearance between the tire and the fender. I don't see how you can get a 265 millemeter wide tire in there without jacking the rear end of the car up. BTW, I have one of those junk S-10 rears into which I have installed a 4.56 R&P.

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quote:Originally posted by buddymander

Can we first establish what the widest tire that is possible on a Stude without cutting the body; inside or out/ I figure about a 265.60. Any confirmation? I say you get the wheels and tires you want and then fit up a rearend. Any front dropout rearend like the ford nine or eight or mopar 8 3/4 can be narrowed on one side by substituting a short axle on the long side. Then all you have to do is shorten one side of the housing. And all for a lot less than some junk S-10 7 1/2 inch jobber.


Jerry Forrester
Douglasville, Georgia
Be sure to check out my eBay store
http://stores.ebay.com/CHROME-CHROME-CHROME_ and my EZ33 store http://tinyurl.com/2g2j88
for your shiny Stude stuff

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More pix of Leo the '55 Pres HT here...http://tinyurl.com/2gj6cu

Alexander Feiman
05-15-2008, 08:42 PM
thanks to all i added this list to topic to help others needing rear width info if you look at bottom of topic you see who posted this list he has more info on his web site check it out -- alf

Rear End Widths
FRAMES version
Representative for comparison purposes only

Ford
Outside
Width Year Model
57.25 1957-1959 Ford, Ranchero, Station Wagon
57.25 1965-1966 Mustang
58.00 1966-1977 Bronco
58.00 1964-1965 Falcon
58.00 1977-1981 Granada/Versailles
58.50 1977-1981 Versailles
60.00 1958-1960 Edsel
61.00 1964-1971 Ford Full Size
61.00 1949-1951 Mercury
61.25 1957-1972 Ford F-100 Pickup
61.25 1960-1964 Ford Full Size
61.25 1971-1973 Mustang
61.25 1967-1973 Torino, Ranchero, Fairlane
63.00 1970-1979 Ranchero & Torino
63.00 1972-1979 Ford Full Size & Intermediate
63.50 1967 Fairlane
65.25 1973-1986 Ford F-150 Pickup
65.25 1978-1986 Bronco
65.25 1973-1986 Ford Van 3/4 Ton
68.00 1972 Ford Van 3/4 Ton
69.25 1977-1986 Ford E-150 Van


Chevy
Outside
Width Year Model
57.75 1962-1964 Chevy II/Nova
57.75 1965-1967 Chevy II/Nova
58.00 1978-1988 Chevy Malibu, Monte Carlo
59.50 1968-1982 Corvette
60.00 1955-1964 Chevy Car
60.00 1967-1969 Camaro
60.25 1968-1979 Chevy II/Nova
60.50 1984-1995 Corvette
60.50 1964-1967 Chevelle
62.00 1955-1959 Chevy Pickup
62.50 1968-1972 Chevelle
62.50 1970-1981 Camaro/Firebird

Mopar
Outside
Width Year Model
55.60 1960-1976 7 1/4 A-body
55.60 1973-1976 8 1/4 A-body
55.60 1966-1972 8 3/4 A-body
55.60 All 8 3/4 A-body
56.00 1932-1934 All Mopars
57.40 1963-1972 7 1/4 A-body
58.54 All 8 1/4 F-body
58.54 All 8 1/4 M-body
58.54 All 8 1/4 J-body
59.00 1935-1936 All Mopars
59.14 1966-1970 9 3/4 B-body
59.20 1962-1970 8 3/4 B-body
60.00 1937-1948 All Mopars
60.70 All 8 3/4 E-body
60.70 All 9 3/4 E-body
62.00 All 8 1/4 B-body
62.00 1971-1974 8 3/4 B-body
62.00 All 9 1/4 B-body
63.40 All 8 1/4 C-body
63.40 1971-1974 8 3/4 B-body S.W.
63.40 All 9 1/4 C-body
GM & Mopar Body Style Codes

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Alexander Feiman
05-16-2008, 11:41 AM
Suspension Measurements
REAR SUSPENSION

FRONT SUSPENSION
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REAR SUSPENSION:
The following is a general list of rear ends and their dimensions to help narrow the search for a possible candidate to replace the torque tube rear end or just get a better set of gears for highway driving.

Advance Design Trucks seem to be using rear ends with widths ranging from 58"- 62". I'm not sure of the Task Force width ranges at this time.

Contributing information were Bob Welch, J Forbes and various locations throughout the Web and Automotive Magazines.
Rear Axle Measurements
MEASURED ACROSS WHEEL MOUNTING SURFACE
56 1/2" 71-77 Ford Maverick 8",

57" 71-74 V-8 Mavericks 8", All '75-77 6's & 8's Maverick 5 Lug 8", 49-51 Ford, 57-59 Ford 9"

57 1/4" 64 1/2 - 65 Mustang

58" 78-88 Mid sized GM Car, Malibu/Monte Carlo (82 up Metric Studs), 80 Granada & Lincoln Versailles,
67-70 Mustang/Cougar/Fairlane, Regal with 10 bolt axle, S-10 P.U., 65-67 Nova

58 1/2 " Ford Grenada

59" 68-83 Corvette

60" 55-64 Chevy Car, 67-69 Camaro, 64-67 Chevelle, 68-74 Nova, 71-73 Mustang/Cougar, 84-95 Corvette

60-61" 64-69 1/2 ton 2wd Chevy/ Some GMC 6 lug rear end 12 bolt Coil spring set up Possible gear ratio's 3.70

62" 64-77 Chevelle, 73-76 Torino, 89 Trans Am,

70 2wd 6 lug rear end 12 bolt Possible gear ratio's 3:08, 3:40, 3:73
70-81 4wd 6 lug reared ...............................................................

71- Newer 2wd trucks use a 5 on 5 lug pattern
71-76 Full Size Cars " "" "" "

60" 60's GMC and some Chevy's Dana 44 or Dana 60 with leaf springs 6 lug, Gear ratio's 3.21 to 3.92. GMC V-6 used a 3.21 Dana 44 used a standard chevy 1310 yoke, Dana 60 used the heavy duty yoke which takes the larger 1350 yoke.


Approximate rear end widths measured from backing plate to backing plate.
Add Width to compensate for drums as follows:
4" - 5" for small cars 5" - 6" for intermediate cars 6" - 8" for large cars 48" - 49" 50" - 51" 52" - 53"
'71 Colt
'72 Cricket
'72-75 Datsun Pickup
'72-73 Mazda '65 Ram American
'74 Valiant '28-40 Ford , '57 - 59 Ford
'62 Buick Skylark, '67 Chevrolet Six
'67 Mustang Six , '68 AMX
'69 Javelin Six , '70 dodge
'70 Duster , '71-77 Maverick
'71 Comet , '71- 72 Pinto
54" -55" 56" -57" 58" - 59"
'39 -48 Chevrolet, '68 GTO
'41 -48 Ford, '68-72 Chevelle
'55 -57 Chevrolet, 68-69 Fair lane 6 or 8
'66 Falcon, '69 Chevrolet
'67 Mustang V-8, '69 Firebird
finaly figuired out how to post other pagr. --- alf

'69 Cougar, '71 -73 Nova
'73 Ventura, '73 Mustang '36 Plymouth, '54-56 Ford Pickup
'67 Lincoln, '69 Dodge
'69 Dodge Van, '71 Torino
'72 Cougar, '74 Pontiac '49 Plymouth, '61 Chevrolet Impala
'65 Cadillac, '66 Buick Wildcat
'66-67 Chevrolet Big Car, '72 Charger
'69 Oldsmobile 88, '72 Chrysler
'72-73 Torino


STOCK CENTER TO CENTER SPRING PERCH DISTANCE 25" 39" 42" 42 1/2
'68 - 72 Chevelle '71 Colt
'73 Mazda '68 -71 Fairlane/Torino
'49-51 Ford '69 Chevrolet
'69 Nova
'71 - 72 Pinto
'73 Ventura
43" 43 1/2" 44" 46 1/4"
'65 Ram American
'64 1/2-'65 Mustang
'67 Mustang
'70's Ford Grenada
'69 Firebird
'70 Dodge '71-77 Maverick
'70 Duster
'70 Nova
'71 Comet
'72 Dart
'72 Cougar
'74 Valiant '57 Ford
'67 Chevrolet Six
'68 AMX
'69 Javelin Six '69 Dodge
47 1/2" 48" 51" 57 1/2"
'39 -48 Chevrolet
'67 Chevrolet big car
'72 Charger
'72 Chrysler '69 Dodge Van
'69 Ford Van '67 Lincoln

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The following list of extensive information was contributed by R. Welch:

Original Vehicles
Rear Suspension Width (Flange to Flange)
Year

Classic Vehicles

Width
26-39 Plymouth-Dodge car/pick up 56-58"
40-52 Plymouth-Dodge car 60-62"
26-39 Chrysler/DeSoto Car 60"
Most Early Mopar's 56-62"
25-39 Chevy Car 56-58"
26-46 Chevy Truck 56