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alanmende
04-30-2008, 10:06 AM
Hello Grouop,

Can I get an opinion on Eastwood's ZDDP oil additive? Go to http://eastwood.resultspage.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=ZDDP for more information.

Kindest regards,

Alan Mende
Hummelstown, PA

jackb
04-30-2008, 11:49 AM
with the warmer weather coming...just add a can of STP to your oil change...

StudeRich
04-30-2008, 01:04 PM
This looks like a good product, and very much needed with today's Oil.
Eastwood is not known for making "snake oil" products, so I would think it would be good, and will try it.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Mike Van Veghten
04-30-2008, 03:57 PM
I've been using Castrol GTX 20-50 and Valvolines (gold bottle) additive, with proven...under VERY harsh conditions (by me!).
Very happy with it.

Mike

Lenny R2
04-30-2008, 11:19 PM
Myers Studebaker is also selling that same product.I bought 2
bottles at the South Georgia Meet.Lets support our Studebaker
Vendors.

Lenny
Atlanta Ga.

Dads Baby
05-01-2008, 01:48 AM
How do we know the STP has the right additives in it? I like the idea of being able to go to the parts store and getting it instead of ordering it and waiting.


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GTtim
05-01-2008, 09:10 AM
From what I've heard it is possible to 'overdo' the ZDDP thing. If the oil you are using has it as an additive, you should not be adding more. There is a range that is ideal. The STP additive has a very small percentage of the stuff.

Tim K.
'64 R2 GT Hawk

Mike Van Veghten
05-01-2008, 09:29 AM
Why pay 6 or 7 bucks...?
You guys must have plenty of money!

Mike

63Avanti
05-01-2008, 09:55 AM
1. more data at http://systems-engineering-associates.com/avocation.
2. STP should be used to demonstrate faithfulness to the old Studebaker company. It should not be used for engine protection, it is basically 50 weight oil with trivial amount of stuff, most of which is obsolete. You do not have to believe me, look up VOA on any STP product.


Terry, North Texas
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(in stage 1 resto "Project A")
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StudeRich
05-01-2008, 04:34 PM
So Mike; where do you find this stuff no-one has ever mentioned before ("Valvoline Gold Bottle"), and how much do you pay for it?
If you are using it with Castrol GTX 20W-50, it must be an additive.


quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

Why pay 6 or 7 bucks...?
You guys must have plenty of money! Mike

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Laemmle
05-04-2008, 01:24 AM
Changed the oil in the Avanti today.....used Shell Rotella L great stuff........contains more than enough zinc.

53k
05-04-2008, 09:21 AM
quote:Originally posted by Laemmle

Changed the oil in the Avanti today.....used Shell Rotella L great stuff........contains more than enough zinc.

Not if it is the re-formulated version. See this (or one of the many threads on this subjkect):
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11154&SearchTerms=Rotella

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Laemmle
05-04-2008, 11:04 AM
It is the correct CI spec, not CJ!



quote:Originally posted by 53k


quote:Originally posted by Laemmle

Changed the oil in the Avanti today.....used Shell Rotella L great stuff........contains more than enough zinc.

Not if it is the re-formulated version. See this (or one of the many threads on this subjkect):
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11154&SearchTerms=Rotella

[img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/R-4.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64L.JPG[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/64P.jpg[/img=right][img=right]http://www.frontiernet.net/~thejohnsons/Forum%20signature%20pix/53K.jpg[/img=right]Paul Johnson, Wild and Wonderful West Virginia
'53 Commander Starliner (since 1966)
'64 Daytona Wagonaire (original owner)
'64 Daytona Convertible (2006)
Museum R-4 engine
1962 Gravely Model L (Studebaker-Packard serial plate)
1972 Gravely Model 430 (Studebaker name plate, Studebaker Onan engine)

Mike Van Veghten
05-04-2008, 12:21 PM
StudeRich et-al -

Got a rude awakining yesterday. Valvoline no longer makes their Synpower (gold bottle) lineup...of any of the additives...just oil! Including the brake fluid, which is what I went to buy! I checked their website...no mention of it anywhere anymore. Though I did find two bottles of the brake fluid at another store..no oil additive.

I have been happy with Lucas's Fuel Injector cleaner...used it for over four years now.
No idea of the cost (just havent looked), but I'm gonna give their oil addditive product a try.

http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=80&catid=3&loc=show

Mike

StudeRich
05-04-2008, 03:03 PM
Well that does not surprise me too much Mike, you know we heard that GM stopped making their ZDDP additive to be used in their new crate engines for "break-in"! They all could have been buying it from the same Oil Co. source! I wonder which one Jon Myer sells? [?]


quote:Originally posted by Mike Van Veghten

StudeRich et-al -
Got a rude awakining yesterday. Valvoline no longer makes their Synpower (gold bottle) lineup...of any of the additives...just oil!


Laemmle; you must have old stock Shell Rotella "T" if it is CI ONLY, because it is discontinued, if you can get more where you got it, you should! CI in combination with other "C" specs. is not "CI"! [:0]

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

DEEPNHOCK
05-04-2008, 03:23 PM
Here is what I would run (and why)
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/genericarticle.do?categoryId=82915470&contentId=7032644#top
Hope the info helps.
Jeff[8D]

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StudeRich
05-04-2008, 03:30 PM
That should work fine Jeff, that is good info that I remember now, you posted before. It is a bit disturbing to me however that they don't say that anywhere on the bottle that I can see though!

But if this is just the regular Syntec and not old car oil, I could see how they would not want to hurt sales for new cars by saying that, but what does not make sense is how could they get around the EPA requirement to not damage new car's cat's!

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

Mike Van Veghten
05-04-2008, 05:00 PM
Rich -
Well that does not surprise me too much Mike, you know we heard that GM stopped making their ZDDP additive to be used in their new crate engines for "break-in"!

Doesn't surprise you...what does loosing their brake fluid have to do with their oil additive?? Strange statement!!!

Plus the fact that others still sell a simillar additive! Comp Cams, Lucas to name two!
In addition to whatever it is that Eastwood sells.

Mike

StudeRich
05-04-2008, 05:27 PM
Mike; I understood you to say that Valoline discontinued their entire "Gold bottle lineup" which would include the ZDDP additive that you recommended, which after all IS what we are talking about here, not brake fluid, last time I checked Dot 3,4 & 5 is available everywhere! [:0]

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

DEEPNHOCK
05-04-2008, 07:04 PM
Good point, but I think we are splitting hairs on a frog's ass now...
I am running this stuff with no problems.
(but I suspect that 99% of any of us would not have any problems if we ran what we wanted and performed good routine maintenance).
I am not a fan of additives.
Having had a couple of bad experiences with additives ( I won't say STP until I have to...but you will NEVER see any of that stuff in any of my engines...since 1970), and no bad experiences with conscientious maintenance without addidtives (and spending a long and painfull career in the vehicular aftermarket)I can say that I find most additives are Band-Aids.
Just buy the right stuff to begin with and you won't need to add stuff to make it better.
Is this stuff the 'right stuff'?
Beats me. I am all ears for a better solution.
I just want to be ale to buy my oil by the case and stuff it into all my machines without worry.
I do not want to have to resort to a spreadsheet to figure out which engine takes what.
I want the KISS system for my tired and aging fleet of motrorized mayhem;)
Good topic, and timely.
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

That should work fine Jeff, that is good info that I remember now, you posted before. It is a bit disturbing to me however that they don't say that anywhere on the bottle that I can see though!

But if this is just the regular Syntec and not old car oil, I could see how they would not want to hurt sales for new cars by saying that, but what does not make sense is how could they get around the EPA requirement to not damage new car's cat's!


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curt
05-04-2008, 09:33 PM
Deepnhock, Autozone sells 10w-30 & 10w-40 oil for cars made in 1988 ( I think that is the year) and older model-years. It is rated SF. I assume this oil will have our needed Additives, ZN for one. Buy it by the case!

Flat Ernie
05-04-2008, 10:20 PM
Valvoline VR-1 Racing Oil has plenty of ZDDP in it - it's going in my Stude at the next oil change (used the last of my old Delo on the last oil change). I use Brad Penn in my stroker Ford.

Daddy always said, if yer gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough & I'm one tough sumbitch!

Dwain G.
05-05-2008, 11:44 AM
I wondered why Valvolne's Synpower oil treatment(ZDDP additive) had been removed from their site.
Here is my email to them and their response.........
__________________________
>>>> Why is Synpower engine oil additive no longer shown on your website?
>>>> It hasn't been discontinued has it?
>>>>
Unfortunately, yes it has. The SynPower Oil Treatment is no longer available
and has been discontinued.




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N8N
05-05-2008, 12:28 PM
that's disappointing, I was using the Synpower brake fluid too, it was cheap and the specs on it were almost as good as the expensive ATE stuff, and I could get it at any FLAPS. I guess it really is true, once you find a product you like...

nate

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jackb
05-05-2008, 04:58 PM
uh....STP was listed as a z-whatever option in a rather involved breakdown sheet of additives. I concluded that 2 or more bottles was overkill......didn't quite do the long math...

Dan Timberlake
05-05-2008, 08:05 PM
I fear we are in for more of events like this

http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18741

DEEPNHOCK
05-06-2008, 07:47 AM
You may well be right Dan...
But of interest is to note that it is a truly inquisitive man that actually went and measured his camshaft to uncover the difference (on his particular camshaft).
I wonder how 'different' the cam lobes were on a new camshaft?
Easy to go all nutz when we see a difference, but what if that difference is the norm?
And what about the camshaft to cam bearing clearance?
How many people ever measure that?
I know Jerry Forrester does, and he found out it was very sloppy.
Major source of oil pressure fluctuation/reduction?
Really, I don't know, but I commend those that do the hard work to find out.
And if prevention is as simple as a change of a brand of oil, then I'd opt for that one first.
Good point....
(Maybe we should get BondoBilly to come out with a Stude T-Shirt that says "Got ZDDP?";))
Jeff[8D]


quote:Originally posted by Dan Timberlake

I fear we are in for more of events like this
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18741


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63Avanti
05-06-2008, 09:44 AM
when you click the URL, remember to remove the period.

quote:Originally posted by 63Avanti

1. more data at http://systems-engineering-associates.com/avocation
2. STP should be used to demonstrate faithfulness to the old Studebaker company. It should not be used for engine protection, it is basically 50 weight oil with trivial amount of stuff, most of which is obsolete. You do not have to believe me, look up VOA on any STP product.


Terry, North Texas
1963 Avanti R2, 63SR1065
(in stage 1 resto "Project A")
http://sterkel.org/avanti
1985 Kubota L2202(Diesel)
1999 Toyota rice burner
1986 Ford 150 Long Bed

New resolution.
I will continue to respond, to the best of my ability, to any query,
challenge or alternative view relevant to my original post.
I will not respond to anything off (the original) topic...



Terry, North Texas
1963 Avanti R2, 63SR1065
(in stage 1 resto "Project A")
http://sterkel.org/avanti
1985 Kubota L2202(Diesel)
1999 Toyota rice burner
1986 Ford 150 Long Bed

New resolution.
I will continue to respond, to the best of my ability, to any query,
challenge or alternative view relevant to my original post.
I will not respond to anything off (the original) topic...

Dan Timberlake
05-06-2008, 01:13 PM
the lifter foot/cam nose interface is about the hardest working bearing (highest PSI loading) in the engine.
Most articles I've found indicate ZDDP works its magic on ferrous (iron or steel) surfaces.
I'm thinking the soft metal cam bearings may be immune to ZDDP's goodness. Plus their geometry has lots of surface area (compared to the nearly line contact between a cam nose and lifter) and the pressure-fed spinning shaft is just right for hydrodynamic lubrication. That makes me curious as to why they wear much at all.

Mr Mike
05-07-2008, 08:53 AM
I came across this site on the Ford Flathead V8 forum,
cam-shield.com. It's a ZDDP additive and claims to add 1600 ppm of zinc per 1/2 ounce of concentrate per quart of oil or 800 ppm per 1/4 ounce. Comes in 4 and 8 ounce bottles for $13.95 and $21.95 respectively. There is a spec sheet on the website but it doesn't give much specific data. Maybe one of you engineer types can tell us if it might be worth anything with the rapidly depleting supply of CI oils.
Mr Mike

Swifster
05-07-2008, 08:54 AM
Because the ZDDP 'reduction' was for 'highway' oils, 20W-50 was immune to the decrease. Apparently 20 weight oils are considered 'racing' oils and not effected. The is why Castrol can sell a 20W-50 and brag about the ZDDP levels. If fact this should be true of any 20W oil (and it does include Mobil 1).

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