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JDP
10-21-2006, 01:07 PM
Coming to a Studebaker at my home soon.

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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

mbstude
10-21-2006, 01:12 PM
Is that for the '51? [xx(]

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mbstude
10-21-2006, 01:12 PM
Is that for the '51? [xx(]

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lstude
10-21-2006, 01:23 PM
What are you going to put the Caddy engine in? A friend of mine, Tom Covington, put a 500 cu.in. Cadillac engine in a 57 Golden Hawk. He sold it on eBay a couple of years ago.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
10-21-2006, 01:23 PM
What are you going to put the Caddy engine in? A friend of mine, Tom Covington, put a 500 cu.in. Cadillac engine in a 57 Golden Hawk. He sold it on eBay a couple of years ago.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

mbstude
10-21-2006, 01:39 PM
I saw a '55 Stude wagon with a 500 Caddy in it once. One of our club memebers has a '53 Commander Starliner with a 331 Caddy and LaSalle trans. (Done back in the 50's)
We have a car with a 500 Caddy V8, but it's a '41 Caddy Eldo convertible. :D AKA the two ton Corvette. It's for sale, BTW.

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mbstude
10-21-2006, 01:39 PM
I saw a '55 Stude wagon with a 500 Caddy in it once. One of our club memebers has a '53 Commander Starliner with a 331 Caddy and LaSalle trans. (Done back in the 50's)
We have a car with a 500 Caddy V8, but it's a '41 Caddy Eldo convertible. :D AKA the two ton Corvette. It's for sale, BTW.

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Guido
10-21-2006, 01:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

What are you going to put the Caddy engine in? A friend of mine, Tom Covington, put a 500 cu.in. Cadillac engine in a 57 Golden Hawk.
Leonard,

I took a trip yesterday afternoon to look at what was advertised in the Trading Post as a '50 Studebaker. Turns out it is a '47-49 four door Champion. However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon with a 500 CID motor in it. One of the ugliest cars I have ever seen (even with the roof rack on it). I should have taken pictures but did not.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-21-2006, 01:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

What are you going to put the Caddy engine in? A friend of mine, Tom Covington, put a 500 cu.in. Cadillac engine in a 57 Golden Hawk.
Leonard,

I took a trip yesterday afternoon to look at what was advertised in the Trading Post as a '50 Studebaker. Turns out it is a '47-49 four door Champion. However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon with a 500 CID motor in it. One of the ugliest cars I have ever seen (even with the roof rack on it). I should have taken pictures but did not.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

lstude
10-21-2006, 01:57 PM
They used to sell Studillacs with Cadillac engines back in the 50s. I have a picture of a guy here in Richmond who had one.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
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lstude
10-21-2006, 01:57 PM
They used to sell Studillacs with Cadillac engines back in the 50s. I have a picture of a guy here in Richmond who had one.

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

JDP
10-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Not sure where it is going yet, maybe in my new 3E that has a bad 245 six, maybe a future project.

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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Not sure where it is going yet, maybe in my new 3E that has a bad 245 six, maybe a future project.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
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Studebaker News Group
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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

mbstude
10-21-2006, 02:43 PM
quote:However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon

Cadillac made station wagons? [:0]



quote:They used to sell Studillacs with Cadillac engines back in the 50s. I have a picture of a guy here in Richmond who had one.
Ah yes, the imfamous Studillac! A guy in our chapter found a '53 in Brunswick, GA that had been sitting there for 20 some odd years. (This was about a year or so ago) After discovering it was a Tristar Commander Starliner with a 331 Caddy V8 and a LaSalle top loader trans, he bought it, we drug it home for him, he got it running and he's given it to his wife so she can fix it up and drive it. I got the chance to put the 1st mile on it since he's owned it, and can attest to how well the early Studillacs performed. They got some power!!!

There was a fella by the name of Bill Frick in NY that did the conversions. Many others did the same, although he is the most popular among those who did, doing a few hundred I think. We're not sure if my buddy's is a fo-shur "Frick-Studillac" or not, but it's just as cool anyways! We DO know from the production order that the car was sold new in New York. (Where Frick was) It also has some New York college decals in a few places on the windows.

Here's my grandad (left, in hat) with Rene Harger (Phantom Auto Works) talking about the Studillac.

http://image40.webshots.com/41/8/99/83/2958899830049749217iMNdFn_fs.jpg


Here's the car:

http://image12.webshots.com/13/2/66/64/2318266640086929432nHABqt_ph.jpg

http://image56.webshots.com/56/9/59/72/2130959720086929432rvwUmH_ph.jpg

Antifreeze from when I blew out the bottom radiator hose clamp. (Not the hose, the clamp actually was so rusty it broke!)
http://image57.webshots.com/157/2/61/30/2597261300086929432ofsFuS_ph.jpg

http://image57.webshots.com/157/9/61/1/2740961010086929432aVNUHV_ph.jpg

Original interior.
http://image10.webshots.com/11/7/19/78/2798719780086929432ovJRRG_ph.jpg

Pat Skelly, proud owner!
http://image38.webshots.com/38/3/48/7/2418348070086929432zGNNjM_ph.jpg

One of my favorites:
http://image60.webshots.com/160/2/91/37/439529137fYXhKT_ph.jpg

Pat promised me this wonderful carpeting for one of my Studes, but it fell apart when he removed it. [V]
http://image54.webshots.com/154/1/13/80/424011380PjDDRK_ph.jpg

Many more here, by Jeff Rice.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/423977158fnnolL

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-21-2006, 02:43 PM
quote:However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon

Cadillac made station wagons? [:0]



quote:They used to sell Studillacs with Cadillac engines back in the 50s. I have a picture of a guy here in Richmond who had one.
Ah yes, the imfamous Studillac! A guy in our chapter found a '53 in Brunswick, GA that had been sitting there for 20 some odd years. (This was about a year or so ago) After discovering it was a Tristar Commander Starliner with a 331 Caddy V8 and a LaSalle top loader trans, he bought it, we drug it home for him, he got it running and he's given it to his wife so she can fix it up and drive it. I got the chance to put the 1st mile on it since he's owned it, and can attest to how well the early Studillacs performed. They got some power!!!

There was a fella by the name of Bill Frick in NY that did the conversions. Many others did the same, although he is the most popular among those who did, doing a few hundred I think. We're not sure if my buddy's is a fo-shur "Frick-Studillac" or not, but it's just as cool anyways! We DO know from the production order that the car was sold new in New York. (Where Frick was) It also has some New York college decals in a few places on the windows.

Here's my grandad (left, in hat) with Rene Harger (Phantom Auto Works) talking about the Studillac.

http://image40.webshots.com/41/8/99/83/2958899830049749217iMNdFn_fs.jpg


Here's the car:

http://image12.webshots.com/13/2/66/64/2318266640086929432nHABqt_ph.jpg

http://image56.webshots.com/56/9/59/72/2130959720086929432rvwUmH_ph.jpg

Antifreeze from when I blew out the bottom radiator hose clamp. (Not the hose, the clamp actually was so rusty it broke!)
http://image57.webshots.com/157/2/61/30/2597261300086929432ofsFuS_ph.jpg

http://image57.webshots.com/157/9/61/1/2740961010086929432aVNUHV_ph.jpg

Original interior.
http://image10.webshots.com/11/7/19/78/2798719780086929432ovJRRG_ph.jpg

Pat Skelly, proud owner!
http://image38.webshots.com/38/3/48/7/2418348070086929432zGNNjM_ph.jpg

One of my favorites:
http://image60.webshots.com/160/2/91/37/439529137fYXhKT_ph.jpg

Pat promised me this wonderful carpeting for one of my Studes, but it fell apart when he removed it. [V]
http://image54.webshots.com/154/1/13/80/424011380PjDDRK_ph.jpg

Many more here, by Jeff Rice.
http://rides.webshots.com/album/423977158fnnolL

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

Swifster
10-21-2006, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude


quote:However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon

Cadillac made station wagons? [:0]




Cadillac never made wagons for the public, but there were a few (around 4 or 5) that were made by GM in either '74 or '75. These were based on the Fleetwood. I actually saw the real deal around '76 or '77.

Other than those 4 or 5, the rest are conversions. Remember, most Cadillacs have another car being built in another division. It wouldn't be that hard to add Caddy quarters to a Buick or Olds wagon and then add a Cadillac front clip. As for the 2-door version, Eldorado's were not immune from being converted.

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Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

Swifster
10-21-2006, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude


quote:However, there also was a '72(?) Caddy 2 door station wagon

Cadillac made station wagons? [:0]




Cadillac never made wagons for the public, but there were a few (around 4 or 5) that were made by GM in either '74 or '75. These were based on the Fleetwood. I actually saw the real deal around '76 or '77.

Other than those 4 or 5, the rest are conversions. Remember, most Cadillacs have another car being built in another division. It wouldn't be that hard to add Caddy quarters to a Buick or Olds wagon and then add a Cadillac front clip. As for the 2-door version, Eldorado's were not immune from being converted.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Lakeland, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona

Michigan Speed - www.michiganspeed.com
Club Hot Rod - www.clubhotrod.com
LS1 Tech - www.ls1tech.com

JRoberts
10-21-2006, 04:13 PM
There was a real nice 53/54 coupe in Omaha with a big Caddy engine. It was a pale green w/Moon disc wheel covers. It looked great -- plain-but just right. It was for sale. I was afraid to ask how much so I didn't.
Joe Roberts

JRoberts
10-21-2006, 04:13 PM
There was a real nice 53/54 coupe in Omaha with a big Caddy engine. It was a pale green w/Moon disc wheel covers. It looked great -- plain-but just right. It was for sale. I was afraid to ask how much so I didn't.
Joe Roberts

Guido
10-21-2006, 04:15 PM
I just may have to get a picture for you. The doors would not open but it had an 8.2 litre emblem on the side (I guess this would place it later than a '72). I mentioned to the owner that the rear roof looked similar to a Pontiac Safari wagon. The owner stated that it was a rare car, the hood is about as long as the rest! :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-21-2006, 04:15 PM
I just may have to get a picture for you. The doors would not open but it had an 8.2 litre emblem on the side (I guess this would place it later than a '72). I mentioned to the owner that the rear roof looked similar to a Pontiac Safari wagon. The owner stated that it was a rare car, the hood is about as long as the rest! :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

mbstude
10-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Our '71 Eldo ragtop has 8.2 Litre on the side, and it's the 500 c.i. engine.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-21-2006, 04:27 PM
Our '71 Eldo ragtop has 8.2 Litre on the side, and it's the 500 c.i. engine.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

Roscomacaw
10-21-2006, 08:04 PM
Man! From the blue overspray on the dirt, you can tell that tranny's freshly overhauled![:o)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-21-2006, 08:04 PM
Man! From the blue overspray on the dirt, you can tell that tranny's freshly overhauled![:o)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Steinkamp
10-21-2006, 10:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by JRoberts

There was a real nice 53/54 coupe in Omaha with a big Caddy engine. It was a pale green w/Moon disc wheel covers. It looked great -- plain-but just right. It was for sale. I was afraid to ask how much so I didn't.



http://static.flickr.com/105/275840235_144c4fbe91.jpg

He was asking $20k. It was a fairly simple car and done right. Very sano. I was not crazy about the moon disks on it, but they are easily changed.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-21-2006, 10:53 PM
quote:Originally posted by JRoberts

There was a real nice 53/54 coupe in Omaha with a big Caddy engine. It was a pale green w/Moon disc wheel covers. It looked great -- plain-but just right. It was for sale. I was afraid to ask how much so I didn't.



http://static.flickr.com/105/275840235_144c4fbe91.jpg

He was asking $20k. It was a fairly simple car and done right. Very sano. I was not crazy about the moon disks on it, but they are easily changed.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

StudeDave57
10-22-2006, 01:11 AM
There were also some Caddie wagons done up in the 50's as well~ and NO I don't mean a hearse or ambulance!!! I think the one I saw was a '55... [:0] [?]


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeDave57
10-22-2006, 01:11 AM
There were also some Caddie wagons done up in the 50's as well~ and NO I don't mean a hearse or ambulance!!! I think the one I saw was a '55... [:0] [?]


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

lstude
10-22-2006, 02:04 AM
Below is a picture of a Cadillac wagon that was for sale at Hershey. It was missing both of the rear side glass panels. I hope these were stock GM glass or they might be really hard to find.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/HersheyFleaMarket2006131.jpg

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

lstude
10-22-2006, 02:04 AM
Below is a picture of a Cadillac wagon that was for sale at Hershey. It was missing both of the rear side glass panels. I hope these were stock GM glass or they might be really hard to find.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/HersheyFleaMarket2006131.jpg

Leonard Shepherd, editor, The Commanding Leader, Central Virginia Chapter, http://centralvirginiachapter.org/
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/Mein64Daytonasm.jpghttp://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l288/lstude/52inyardsm-1.jpg

Studebayker
10-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Since I'm messing with Cadillac's. I think Caddy made 472's from
1968 to 1974, and 500's in '75 and '76 only, and in some of the
earlier Eldo's. You may have a 427, same size block. They are
tough old engines. Even though I never cared for car itself.



James K. Clark
Eastern Tenn
1955 studebaker Prez. 2dr hardtop
1940 ford coupe 472 Caddy engine
1942 Caddy 62 series
1976 caddy hearse "500' drove home for $400.00
Don't take yourself too seriously!

James K. Clark

Studebayker
10-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Since I'm messing with Cadillac's. I think Caddy made 472's from
1968 to 1974, and 500's in '75 and '76 only, and in some of the
earlier Eldo's. You may have a 427, same size block. They are
tough old engines. Even though I never cared for car itself.



James K. Clark
Eastern Tenn
1955 studebaker Prez. 2dr hardtop
1940 ford coupe 472 Caddy engine
1942 Caddy 62 series
1976 caddy hearse "500' drove home for $400.00
Don't take yourself too seriously!

James K. Clark

Studebayker
10-22-2006, 07:19 PM
I'm sorry my CRS syndrome just kicked in. The later model caddy's
76 and later had 425's not 427. for parts check out 500cid.com.
Sorry about the mistake.




James K.Clark
Eastern Tenn.

James K. Clark

Studebayker
10-22-2006, 07:19 PM
I'm sorry my CRS syndrome just kicked in. The later model caddy's
76 and later had 425's not 427. for parts check out 500cid.com.
Sorry about the mistake.




James K.Clark
Eastern Tenn.

James K. Clark

imported_n/a
10-22-2006, 09:30 PM
I've got a 500 Caddy that i rebuilt a few years back in a 73 Xhevy 3/4 ton, and it really doesn't require much work to get it in there. It has a lot of power--ain't afraid o' no Hemmi--because they have at least 350 hp in stock form.

imported_n/a
10-22-2006, 09:30 PM
I've got a 500 Caddy that i rebuilt a few years back in a 73 Xhevy 3/4 ton, and it really doesn't require much work to get it in there. It has a lot of power--ain't afraid o' no Hemmi--because they have at least 350 hp in stock form.

Thomas63R2
10-22-2006, 11:21 PM
Not so quick. If that is a '79 Cad engine than it should be a 425 - not much hot rod stuff for the 425. Did you actually run the engine codes? Is it earlier than '79? The 472 and 500 apparently share block numbers, with '76 as the last year of production for the 500, and '74 for the 472.

The full sized rear wheel drive Cadillacs made from 1968 to 1974 all had 472 cid engines. The 1970 to 1976 Eldorados had 500s. 1975 and 1976 rear wheel drive full sized cads had 500s as well.

Thomas

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Thomas63R2
10-22-2006, 11:21 PM
Not so quick. If that is a '79 Cad engine than it should be a 425 - not much hot rod stuff for the 425. Did you actually run the engine codes? Is it earlier than '79? The 472 and 500 apparently share block numbers, with '76 as the last year of production for the 500, and '74 for the 472.

The full sized rear wheel drive Cadillacs made from 1968 to 1974 all had 472 cid engines. The 1970 to 1976 Eldorados had 500s. 1975 and 1976 rear wheel drive full sized cads had 500s as well.

Thomas

New Stude guy! Long time hot rodder
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JDP
10-22-2006, 11:49 PM
He was not sure of the year, might be a 1976, but not much earlier because it has HEI.

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JDP
10-22-2006, 11:49 PM
He was not sure of the year, might be a 1976, but not much earlier because it has HEI.

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uncleaud
10-23-2006, 01:01 PM
I'v got a 500 cadillac in my 51 starlite coupe...got so much torgue that when i get after it hard the car stands still and the whole world turns:) With and edelbrock manifold and carb they only weigh 40 pounds more than a small block chevy and lots more fun.

uncleaud
10-23-2006, 01:01 PM
I'v got a 500 cadillac in my 51 starlite coupe...got so much torgue that when i get after it hard the car stands still and the whole world turns:) With and edelbrock manifold and carb they only weigh 40 pounds more than a small block chevy and lots more fun.

JDP
10-23-2006, 01:16 PM
I was shocked to find all the cool hop up items made for those engines. I'm thinking of that mainifold too since it'll bring the big Caddy under the Stude V8's weight. I've been wanting to try a Caddy since I was a teenager with fond memories of a friends Caddy powered 52.
Of course he had a 331 Caddy, which almost bolts since it "inspired" the Stude V8.:)

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63 Lark 2 dr.
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60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-23-2006, 01:16 PM
I was shocked to find all the cool hop up items made for those engines. I'm thinking of that mainifold too since it'll bring the big Caddy under the Stude V8's weight. I've been wanting to try a Caddy since I was a teenager with fond memories of a friends Caddy powered 52.
Of course he had a 331 Caddy, which almost bolts since it "inspired" the Stude V8.:)

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63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 02:24 PM
I believe whoever said the 472 was built from 68-74, the 500 from 70-76 is right. The 77-79's had the 425, and I believe it was 80 and 81 used a 368 cid version of this same engine. It had 4-6-8 mechanism to shut off some of the cylinders. All of these engines use the same design, and many parts (camshafts, etc)will interchange,even if they are not identical. Caddys used the same valve lifter as Buick V8's and V6's of the same years. If you have a 500 cid,it has the oil pan sump toward the center and you may find it necessary to swap a 425-368 oil pan and pump, and pickup onto it, as it(the 425) has the sump toward the rear, and the external oil pump/filter faces in different angles by the front crossmember. They also say to put a hi-volume hi pressure oil pump on it, and use it with high-ratio(low numerically) gears. They are not built to turn at constant high rpm--you should see the diameter of the main journals in those engines. Plus,in the interest of gas mileage.... [:0]

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 02:24 PM
I believe whoever said the 472 was built from 68-74, the 500 from 70-76 is right. The 77-79's had the 425, and I believe it was 80 and 81 used a 368 cid version of this same engine. It had 4-6-8 mechanism to shut off some of the cylinders. All of these engines use the same design, and many parts (camshafts, etc)will interchange,even if they are not identical. Caddys used the same valve lifter as Buick V8's and V6's of the same years. If you have a 500 cid,it has the oil pan sump toward the center and you may find it necessary to swap a 425-368 oil pan and pump, and pickup onto it, as it(the 425) has the sump toward the rear, and the external oil pump/filter faces in different angles by the front crossmember. They also say to put a hi-volume hi pressure oil pump on it, and use it with high-ratio(low numerically) gears. They are not built to turn at constant high rpm--you should see the diameter of the main journals in those engines. Plus,in the interest of gas mileage.... [:0]

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 02:33 PM
It looks as though the engine JDP bought has already had a rear-sump pan put on it. Either that, or it is a 425.

imported_n/a
10-23-2006, 02:33 PM
It looks as though the engine JDP bought has already had a rear-sump pan put on it. Either that, or it is a 425.

studeclunker
10-25-2006, 02:13 PM
Actually, in the seventies, there were a variety of specialty Cadillacs available from the dealer. Many of the coachworks who made the limosines would produce whatever you wanted. There was a fellow in Texas, I think it was, who produced what he called a 'Cowboy Cadillac'. He started with an Eldorado and produced a high quality El Camino type product. There were a number of people who ordered Caddy wagons on a regular basis. I saw one in Hollywood in the late 70s. Whilst I was examining it and drooling over it, the owner came out of the store. She was highly amused and willing to talk about her car. Seems she ordered a new car every three years. She would order the car from the dealer and they would have a wagon made from a Fleetwood Brougham. Incidentally, this is the model that nearly all of the wagons were made from. I love Caddies. The parts problem is rather annoying though.

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studeclunker
10-25-2006, 02:13 PM
Actually, in the seventies, there were a variety of specialty Cadillacs available from the dealer. Many of the coachworks who made the limosines would produce whatever you wanted. There was a fellow in Texas, I think it was, who produced what he called a 'Cowboy Cadillac'. He started with an Eldorado and produced a high quality El Camino type product. There were a number of people who ordered Caddy wagons on a regular basis. I saw one in Hollywood in the late 70s. Whilst I was examining it and drooling over it, the owner came out of the store. She was highly amused and willing to talk about her car. Seems she ordered a new car every three years. She would order the car from the dealer and they would have a wagon made from a Fleetwood Brougham. Incidentally, this is the model that nearly all of the wagons were made from. I love Caddies. The parts problem is rather annoying though.

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JBOYLE
10-25-2006, 02:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

Actually, in the seventies, there were a variety of specialty Cadillacs available from the dealer. There was a fellow in Texas, I think it was, who produced what he called a 'Cowboy Cadillac'. He started with an Eldorado and produced a high quality El Camino type product.
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith


Also, George Barris did a small run of El Dorado-based wagons. They had a thin strip of "wood" decal (in the same shape as some of the AMC wagons) and were really neat. The first one was built for Dean Martin and was an attractive copper color.
I wouldn't mind having one if any are left in decent shape.

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JBOYLE
10-25-2006, 02:44 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

Actually, in the seventies, there were a variety of specialty Cadillacs available from the dealer. There was a fellow in Texas, I think it was, who produced what he called a 'Cowboy Cadillac'. He started with an Eldorado and produced a high quality El Camino type product.
Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith


Also, George Barris did a small run of El Dorado-based wagons. They had a thin strip of "wood" decal (in the same shape as some of the AMC wagons) and were really neat. The first one was built for Dean Martin and was an attractive copper color.
I wouldn't mind having one if any are left in decent shape.

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1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

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showbizkid
10-25-2006, 10:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

George Barris did a small run of El Dorado-based wagons. They had a thin strip of "wood" decal (in the same shape as some of the AMC wagons) and were really neat. The first one was built for Dean Martin and was an attractive copper color.
I wouldn't mind having one if any are left in decent shape.


Yeah, Barris knew how to do it right. I found a pic:

http://www.car-nection.com/yann/Dbas_ima/Dr68elwa.jpg


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showbizkid
10-25-2006, 10:35 PM
quote:Originally posted by JBOYLE

George Barris did a small run of El Dorado-based wagons. They had a thin strip of "wood" decal (in the same shape as some of the AMC wagons) and were really neat. The first one was built for Dean Martin and was an attractive copper color.
I wouldn't mind having one if any are left in decent shape.


Yeah, Barris knew how to do it right. I found a pic:

http://www.car-nection.com/yann/Dbas_ima/Dr68elwa.jpg


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Guido
10-26-2006, 06:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid
Yeah, Barris knew how to do it right. I found a pic:
Now that one looks like the car I saw last Friday. Now I know I need to get a picture.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
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Guido
10-26-2006, 06:07 AM
quote:Originally posted by showbizkid
Yeah, Barris knew how to do it right. I found a pic:
Now that one looks like the car I saw last Friday. Now I know I need to get a picture.

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
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Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.