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sodbuster
10-21-2006, 08:45 AM
Sorry for my first post being a what kind of "Stude" do I have in the shop........but, could anyone ID this Studebaker? I found this car in southeast Kansas and drug the ole' gal home to the shop for a project car and getting it back on the road. It has the V8 motor in her and everything looks pretty solid other than bodywork, but that is the easy part. I have the numbers off of it: the door tag on the drivers door has: 7155741, but it looks like there is a "6" stamped below the first seven (mistake?). On the motor it has: 535601 as the cast engine ID. On the cowl it has a body plate with the numbers: 6HKS then 1042 below that number. It also has "President" on the side right behind the doors on both sides of the ole' gal.

If anyone could ID this car that would be great. I can take more pix for you also, if needed.

Thanks,
Chris Nelson
Kansas


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4051.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4055.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4056.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4057.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4077-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/DSCN4034.jpg

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

sodbuster
10-21-2006, 08:47 AM
Well I guess that did not work for posting pix........the pix are on Photobucket.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/

Thanks again,
Chris Nelson
Kansas

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

sodbuster
10-21-2006, 08:47 AM
Well I guess that did not work for posting pix........the pix are on Photobucket.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v473/sodbuster/

Thanks again,
Chris Nelson
Kansas

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

JDP
10-21-2006, 09:28 AM
The "K5" is a President coupe. Now a comment that may get me tossed out of the Studebaker club. Think long and hard about restoring the car based on it's condition. Yes, it is possible but the car is barely a parts car. If you decide to do it, I guess you could buy a solid donor coupe for 3-4K and move everything over, but you could buy 2-3 nice ones for your investment in saving this one.

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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-21-2006, 09:28 AM
The "K5" is a President coupe. Now a comment that may get me tossed out of the Studebaker club. Think long and hard about restoring the car based on it's condition. Yes, it is possible but the car is barely a parts car. If you decide to do it, I guess you could buy a solid donor coupe for 3-4K and move everything over, but you could buy 2-3 nice ones for your investment in saving this one.

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Studebaker On The Net
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Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
56 truck
55 Starlight
53 Starlight
52 Starliner
51 Commander

John Kirchhoff
10-21-2006, 09:29 AM
You have a '55 Speedster, top of the line car for that year. Fairly rare and if you can resurrect that gal, you'll have something. Orginally had a 259 ci in it. You say the body work is the easy part? No offense intended whatsoever, but you must be a much better body man than I but much less adept mechanically. I'll take a good body and bad engine any time over the reverse. Don't know how complete it is, but if you ever need an orginal speedo and tach for it, I have them. Good luck and hang in there!

John Kirchhoff
10-21-2006, 09:29 AM
You have a '55 Speedster, top of the line car for that year. Fairly rare and if you can resurrect that gal, you'll have something. Orginally had a 259 ci in it. You say the body work is the easy part? No offense intended whatsoever, but you must be a much better body man than I but much less adept mechanically. I'll take a good body and bad engine any time over the reverse. Don't know how complete it is, but if you ever need an orginal speedo and tach for it, I have them. Good luck and hang in there!

sodbuster
10-21-2006, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the info.......the thing that is kinda' funny the roof is not the best but a hammer and dolly and torch and it could be straight to original......with slow progress......I have never tried the lead shaping thing, but the wifes dad was an ole' lead man back in the late 50's and he still has the "Shoe horns" that he told me that I could have.

Chris Nelson
Kansas

Oh yea, I am just a 30ish kid with an open mind and a perfectionist

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

sodbuster
10-21-2006, 09:37 AM
Thanks for the info.......the thing that is kinda' funny the roof is not the best but a hammer and dolly and torch and it could be straight to original......with slow progress......I have never tried the lead shaping thing, but the wifes dad was an ole' lead man back in the late 50's and he still has the "Shoe horns" that he told me that I could have.

Chris Nelson
Kansas

Oh yea, I am just a 30ish kid with an open mind and a perfectionist

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

Lark Parker
10-21-2006, 09:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by John Kirchhoff

You have a '55 Speedster, top of the line car for that year. Fairly rare and if you can resurrect that gal, you'll have something. Orginally had a 259 ci in it. You say the body work is the easy part? No offense intended whatsoever, but you must be a much better body man than I but much less adept mechanically. I'll take a good body and bad engine any time over the reverse. Don't know how complete it is, but if you ever need an orginal speedo and tach for it, I have them. Good luck and hang in there!


That may be a President hardtop but it doesn't look like a Speedster (K7) to me. It has a short hood ornament, no roof band and the butterknife side trim has no Speedster ornaments or holes for them. Even in parts car condition the Speedster has greater value because of the fiberglas dash, tach and 160mph speedometer.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n4/larkparker/cg.jpg
Lark Parker aka Trim Trader

Lark Parker
10-21-2006, 09:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by John Kirchhoff

You have a '55 Speedster, top of the line car for that year. Fairly rare and if you can resurrect that gal, you'll have something. Orginally had a 259 ci in it. You say the body work is the easy part? No offense intended whatsoever, but you must be a much better body man than I but much less adept mechanically. I'll take a good body and bad engine any time over the reverse. Don't know how complete it is, but if you ever need an orginal speedo and tach for it, I have them. Good luck and hang in there!


That may be a President hardtop but it doesn't look like a Speedster (K7) to me. It has a short hood ornament, no roof band and the butterknife side trim has no Speedster ornaments or holes for them. Even in parts car condition the Speedster has greater value because of the fiberglas dash, tach and 160mph speedometer.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n4/larkparker/cg.jpg
Lark Parker aka Trim Trader

mbstude
10-21-2006, 10:17 AM
I agree, it looks to be a President HT, not a Speedster. Even so, it's one sweet car when it's done!!!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

mbstude
10-21-2006, 10:17 AM
I agree, it looks to be a President HT, not a Speedster. Even so, it's one sweet car when it's done!!!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-21-2006, 10:28 AM
I think Lark and John are correct. The body tag you posted is probably really 6H-K5 (not "S"). This crosses to a 1955 President hardtop. Not a Speedster, but still a relatively rare and beautiful car.

Restoring old cars for most is a labor of love. If you've got the time, talent, and money, and enjoy this type of work, you will end up with something special. Keep in mind that it will take A LOT of time, talent and money to do this one. There are more abandoned projects out there than completed ones. Evaluate what you have there. Have some experienced friends help you. Put a pencil to the hours and money needed to buy, rebuild and/or refurbish mechanical parts. Find missing parts and buy them. Body work, interior, chrome plating, etc. Keep in mind that even if you do most of the work yourself, you will have more money invested in the car than it will be worth. If it still makes sense, go for it! Hang out here and this crew will help you with any problems you might encounter.

It's a lot of fun and satisfaction. Just know what you're getting in to.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-21-2006, 10:28 AM
I think Lark and John are correct. The body tag you posted is probably really 6H-K5 (not "S"). This crosses to a 1955 President hardtop. Not a Speedster, but still a relatively rare and beautiful car.

Restoring old cars for most is a labor of love. If you've got the time, talent, and money, and enjoy this type of work, you will end up with something special. Keep in mind that it will take A LOT of time, talent and money to do this one. There are more abandoned projects out there than completed ones. Evaluate what you have there. Have some experienced friends help you. Put a pencil to the hours and money needed to buy, rebuild and/or refurbish mechanical parts. Find missing parts and buy them. Body work, interior, chrome plating, etc. Keep in mind that even if you do most of the work yourself, you will have more money invested in the car than it will be worth. If it still makes sense, go for it! Hang out here and this crew will help you with any problems you might encounter.

It's a lot of fun and satisfaction. Just know what you're getting in to.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Roscomacaw
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Speedster would be a 6H-K7 ;) 6H-K5, K7 or 16G8-K5 Really, VERY little difference when you get right down to it. All sport a 259 V8 save for some early Commanders which had the 224 V8.

Miscreant adrift in
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1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-21-2006, 07:51 PM
Speedster would be a 6H-K7 ;) 6H-K5, K7 or 16G8-K5 Really, VERY little difference when you get right down to it. All sport a 259 V8 save for some early Commanders which had the 224 V8.

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

studeclunker
10-21-2006, 09:45 PM
There is a drool-worthy picture of a '55 President Speedster on the cover of October's TW. The President script is further back than on this car.
Also, this car looks like it has rolled over, left to right and back over. That is to say, it didn't go completely over. Very possibly just flipping onto the roof. It would behoove you to closely examine the frame.

I too don't wish to discourage you. The reality of it is expensive. The potential is that of a very cool ride. You claim skills with the torch (welding?) and the hammer (shoe horns). Go for it. Nothing satisfies more than a labour of love.

By the by, have you joined the Studebaker Drivers Club? If you haven't, consider the benefits. This site is just scratching the surface of what the SDC offers. Besides, the monthly magazine is above and beyond worth the annual cost. It's not just full of pictures of pretty cars either.

Good luck!:D That old girl was a grand old lady once.[8D] With a good bit of persistance and work, she possibly could be again.

By the by, is that a Fast On Race Day or possibly a Found On Road Dead sitting next to her?
Sorry, can't help it.:D Just a born smart, um, alick.;)


Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
10-21-2006, 09:45 PM
There is a drool-worthy picture of a '55 President Speedster on the cover of October's TW. The President script is further back than on this car.
Also, this car looks like it has rolled over, left to right and back over. That is to say, it didn't go completely over. Very possibly just flipping onto the roof. It would behoove you to closely examine the frame.

I too don't wish to discourage you. The reality of it is expensive. The potential is that of a very cool ride. You claim skills with the torch (welding?) and the hammer (shoe horns). Go for it. Nothing satisfies more than a labour of love.

By the by, have you joined the Studebaker Drivers Club? If you haven't, consider the benefits. This site is just scratching the surface of what the SDC offers. Besides, the monthly magazine is above and beyond worth the annual cost. It's not just full of pictures of pretty cars either.

Good luck!:D That old girl was a grand old lady once.[8D] With a good bit of persistance and work, she possibly could be again.

By the by, is that a Fast On Race Day or possibly a Found On Road Dead sitting next to her?
Sorry, can't help it.:D Just a born smart, um, alick.;)


Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

Guido
10-22-2006, 03:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker By the by, is that a Fast On Race Day or possibly a Found On Road Dead sitting next to her?
Or "Fix Or Repair Daily"? ;)

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-22-2006, 03:20 AM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker By the by, is that a Fast On Race Day or possibly a Found On Road Dead sitting next to her?
Or "Fix Or Repair Daily"? ;)

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

56H-Y6
10-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi
Good cautionary advice all, evaluate what you have carefully, i.e. the total time and cost of ending up with a restored '55 President hardtop versus acquiring the same model in better or fully restored condition.
Your car appears to be a parts car from the pictures, but it is the K-body hartop, if the body structure is reasonably solid as many Kansas cars are, you may wish to consider using it as a basis to build a custom convertible. The top mechanism and related parts from the '60's Plymouth Valiant/Dodge Darts are surprising good fit.
If you choose this course, just do us all a favor, keep the powertrain Studebaker.......there are already way too many running SBC 350/350 etc, just boring.
Steve

56H-Y6
10-22-2006, 09:30 AM
Hi
Good cautionary advice all, evaluate what you have carefully, i.e. the total time and cost of ending up with a restored '55 President hardtop versus acquiring the same model in better or fully restored condition.
Your car appears to be a parts car from the pictures, but it is the K-body hartop, if the body structure is reasonably solid as many Kansas cars are, you may wish to consider using it as a basis to build a custom convertible. The top mechanism and related parts from the '60's Plymouth Valiant/Dodge Darts are surprising good fit.
If you choose this course, just do us all a favor, keep the powertrain Studebaker.......there are already way too many running SBC 350/350 etc, just boring.
Steve

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 11:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by 56H-Y6

If you choose this course, just do us all a favor, keep the powertrain Studebaker.......there are already way too many running SBC 350/350 etc, just boring.



Believe it or not, not "all" of us insist that others build a car exactly how they would. There are many members of this forum with Studebakers powered by Chevrolet and other motors. "We" enjoy these cars just as much as Studebaker powered ones.

In fact, Studebaker chose the small block Chevrolet V8 to replace their dated V8 for the last two years of Studebaker car production. The SBC can't be ALL bad [:0]

The Studebaker Driver's Club welcomes non Studebaker powered Studebakers, has a class for judging at concours events, and a column featuring these cars in our monthly magazine (Turning Wheels). The vast majority of "us" just enjoy Studebakers...period!

If you're considering a motor swap, find out about the work involved with a swap and the pros and cons of Studebaker vs alternate motors, then build your car the way YOU want to. There are plenty of folks here that will help you get that information so you can make your decision. You don't have to do "us" any favors with your choice.

Here's the motor in my '54 hardtop (same body as your car). Just because I did this, however, doesn't mean that I insist you do this.


http://static.flickr.com/37/76415896_71d6bd00d2.jpg



(BTW, there are most likely more Studebaker powered Studebakers, than Chevrolet powered Studebakers. With the above reasoning I guess that makes the Studebaker powered ones even MORE boring than the Chevrolet powered ones :D)

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 11:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by 56H-Y6

If you choose this course, just do us all a favor, keep the powertrain Studebaker.......there are already way too many running SBC 350/350 etc, just boring.



Believe it or not, not "all" of us insist that others build a car exactly how they would. There are many members of this forum with Studebakers powered by Chevrolet and other motors. "We" enjoy these cars just as much as Studebaker powered ones.

In fact, Studebaker chose the small block Chevrolet V8 to replace their dated V8 for the last two years of Studebaker car production. The SBC can't be ALL bad [:0]

The Studebaker Driver's Club welcomes non Studebaker powered Studebakers, has a class for judging at concours events, and a column featuring these cars in our monthly magazine (Turning Wheels). The vast majority of "us" just enjoy Studebakers...period!

If you're considering a motor swap, find out about the work involved with a swap and the pros and cons of Studebaker vs alternate motors, then build your car the way YOU want to. There are plenty of folks here that will help you get that information so you can make your decision. You don't have to do "us" any favors with your choice.

Here's the motor in my '54 hardtop (same body as your car). Just because I did this, however, doesn't mean that I insist you do this.


http://static.flickr.com/37/76415896_71d6bd00d2.jpg



(BTW, there are most likely more Studebaker powered Studebakers, than Chevrolet powered Studebakers. With the above reasoning I guess that makes the Studebaker powered ones even MORE boring than the Chevrolet powered ones :D)

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

klifton1
10-22-2006, 11:38 AM
Dick
You could look at it this way also. Studebaker did pretty good for the first 160 years or so.
They put in a Chev.and in two years they were gone.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

klifton1
10-22-2006, 11:38 AM
Dick
You could look at it this way also. Studebaker did pretty good for the first 160 years or so.
They put in a Chev.and in two years they were gone.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 11:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by klifton1

Dick
You could look at it this way also. Studebaker did pretty good for the first 160 years or so.
They put in a Chev.and in two years they were gone.



Well...you COULD, but that probably wouldn't explain why GM built 70 million of that motor for over 50 years (still building them, actually).

I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm thinking it may not have been the Chevy motor that caused Studebaker to fold their tent. :D

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 11:57 AM
quote:Originally posted by klifton1

Dick
You could look at it this way also. Studebaker did pretty good for the first 160 years or so.
They put in a Chev.and in two years they were gone.



Well...you COULD, but that probably wouldn't explain why GM built 70 million of that motor for over 50 years (still building them, actually).

I'm taking a wild guess here, but I'm thinking it may not have been the Chevy motor that caused Studebaker to fold their tent. :D

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

klifton1
10-22-2006, 12:24 PM
I Agree.
Thats pretty clean under your hood.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

klifton1
10-22-2006, 12:24 PM
I Agree.
Thats pretty clean under your hood.
Klif

55 Speedster
42 Champ Coupe

stude freak
10-22-2006, 02:04 PM
Sod you got alot of work ahead of you but go for it.I've seen worse resurrected .If you can learn to use lead that much better its time comsuming but really a great skill to use .Oh by the way ,you gonna need to be a devil with a hammer n hell with the torch on this one. Keep us posted on your progress.Good luck.Oh just for info purposes the ford in the pick is a 64 -65 falcon ranchero. Should have picked it up too .

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

stude freak
10-22-2006, 02:04 PM
Sod you got alot of work ahead of you but go for it.I've seen worse resurrected .If you can learn to use lead that much better its time comsuming but really a great skill to use .Oh by the way ,you gonna need to be a devil with a hammer n hell with the torch on this one. Keep us posted on your progress.Good luck.Oh just for info purposes the ford in the pick is a 64 -65 falcon ranchero. Should have picked it up too .

David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

studeclunker
10-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Careful there Dick.


quote:In fact, Studebaker chose the small block Chevrolet V8 to replace their dated V8 for the last two years of Studebaker car production. The SBC can't be ALL bad

They chose the Chevy engine because their facility in South Bend wasn't available any more, period. The GM-Cleveland product wasn't superior, in fact many people have complained of it's performance. As another point of fact, if the Stude engine was so dated, then why does it come out on top of the best that the big three have to offer so often? Perhaps you could explain that to Ted Harbit.

There is nothing wrong with your choice of a Chevrolet product under your hood. Conversely, there is nothing wrong with the Studebaker engine. Age is a consideration with most of Stude's remaining products. Comparing a new block to a forty or fifty year old piece of equipment isn't fair. I notice that you aren't using a '54 Chevy engine in your car. Sometimes moving on to the bright shiny and new isn't the best venture. Edsel and the Mazda are examples of this. Two worthy experiments that just didn't work. The Edsel was a good car that the service sector wasn't ready for. The mazda rotary engine should have had more testing.

I am not criticizing you in any way. Yours is a drool-worthy car in every respect. All I'm asking is that your facts be kept straight. After all, where have I got room to talk about hybrids? I almost put a Chevy 307 in my Champ.;)

David, I noticed the little Ranchero. I'm fond of those as well. Just too tall to comfortably drive one. The car that I was referring to is the NON-Stude in Sod's garage.


Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

studeclunker
10-22-2006, 02:57 PM
Careful there Dick.


quote:In fact, Studebaker chose the small block Chevrolet V8 to replace their dated V8 for the last two years of Studebaker car production. The SBC can't be ALL bad

They chose the Chevy engine because their facility in South Bend wasn't available any more, period. The GM-Cleveland product wasn't superior, in fact many people have complained of it's performance. As another point of fact, if the Stude engine was so dated, then why does it come out on top of the best that the big three have to offer so often? Perhaps you could explain that to Ted Harbit.

There is nothing wrong with your choice of a Chevrolet product under your hood. Conversely, there is nothing wrong with the Studebaker engine. Age is a consideration with most of Stude's remaining products. Comparing a new block to a forty or fifty year old piece of equipment isn't fair. I notice that you aren't using a '54 Chevy engine in your car. Sometimes moving on to the bright shiny and new isn't the best venture. Edsel and the Mazda are examples of this. Two worthy experiments that just didn't work. The Edsel was a good car that the service sector wasn't ready for. The mazda rotary engine should have had more testing.

I am not criticizing you in any way. Yours is a drool-worthy car in every respect. All I'm asking is that your facts be kept straight. After all, where have I got room to talk about hybrids? I almost put a Chevy 307 in my Champ.;)

David, I noticed the little Ranchero. I'm fond of those as well. Just too tall to comfortably drive one. The car that I was referring to is the NON-Stude in Sod's garage.


Lotsa Larks!
K.I.S.S. Keep It Simple Studebaker!
Ron Smith

mbstude
10-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Hey sodbuster. As many have said already, it's your car, so do it your way. That's how all of our restorations have been. My uncle's building a '64 Stude wagon with a Mopar 440 big block. [:0] It's all about personal taste. [8D]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/ (always under construction)

mbstude
10-22-2006, 03:08 PM
Hey sodbuster. As many have said already, it's your car, so do it your way. That's how all of our restorations have been. My uncle's building a '64 Stude wagon with a Mopar 440 big block. [:0] It's all about personal taste. [8D]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/020avatar_river.jpg

http://mbstudebaker.blogspot.com/ (always under construction)

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 03:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

They chose the Chevy engine because their facility in South Bend wasn't available any more.

No argument. My point was Studebaker could have chosen any number of suppliers. They chose Chevrolet...and a good choice it was based on what we know now about the success and longevity of this motor.



quote:The GM-Cleveland product wasn't superior, in fact many people have complained of it's performance. As another point of fact, if the Stude engine was so dated, then why does it come out on top of the best that the big three have to offer so often? Perhaps you could explain that to Ted Harbit.

I don't recall saying the Chevy motor was superior. I've owned many Studebaker powered Studebakers and have nothing but good to say about all of them. OTHO, by 1964, the Stude engines WERE "dated". The 6 dated to 1939 and the 8 to 1951. Engine designs and manufacturing methods had changed (for the better), tooling was getting old, core shift was becoming common. "Dated" doesn't mean "bad", it means "dated".

I'm not sure what I would be explaining to Ted that he doesn't already know. He's forgotten more than I've ever learned about going fast. He's my hero...even though he handilly beat my Chevrolet powered Studebaker with a Studebaker powered Studebaker a couple of Friday's ago at Omaha :(



quote:Conversely, there is nothing wrong with the Studebaker engine.

Totally agree. I love them!


quote:Age is a consideration with most of Stude's remaining products. Comparing a new block to a forty or fifty year old piece of equipment isn't fair. I notice that you aren't using a '54 Chevy engine in your car.

You're right. I'm using a 41 year old 1965 engine.



quote:Sometimes moving on to the bright shiny and new isn't the best venture.

I'm old skool myself. No argument from me.


quote:All I'm asking is that your facts be kept straight.

I think they are.

My purpose of my post was to object to 56H-Y6 stating that "all of us" want to see sodbuster's car Studebaker powered. I don't want to be included in that group. I personally don't care WHAT engine sodbuster ends up installing as long as he builds the car HE wants to build and has fun doing it. I would hate sodbuster to think we are a bunch of StudeBiggots here. I'd like him to feel good about building the kind of car he wants to build and to feel welcome discussing it with us...that's all.


http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 03:31 PM
quote:Originally posted by studeclunker

They chose the Chevy engine because their facility in South Bend wasn't available any more.

No argument. My point was Studebaker could have chosen any number of suppliers. They chose Chevrolet...and a good choice it was based on what we know now about the success and longevity of this motor.



quote:The GM-Cleveland product wasn't superior, in fact many people have complained of it's performance. As another point of fact, if the Stude engine was so dated, then why does it come out on top of the best that the big three have to offer so often? Perhaps you could explain that to Ted Harbit.

I don't recall saying the Chevy motor was superior. I've owned many Studebaker powered Studebakers and have nothing but good to say about all of them. OTHO, by 1964, the Stude engines WERE "dated". The 6 dated to 1939 and the 8 to 1951. Engine designs and manufacturing methods had changed (for the better), tooling was getting old, core shift was becoming common. "Dated" doesn't mean "bad", it means "dated".

I'm not sure what I would be explaining to Ted that he doesn't already know. He's forgotten more than I've ever learned about going fast. He's my hero...even though he handilly beat my Chevrolet powered Studebaker with a Studebaker powered Studebaker a couple of Friday's ago at Omaha :(



quote:Conversely, there is nothing wrong with the Studebaker engine.

Totally agree. I love them!


quote:Age is a consideration with most of Stude's remaining products. Comparing a new block to a forty or fifty year old piece of equipment isn't fair. I notice that you aren't using a '54 Chevy engine in your car.

You're right. I'm using a 41 year old 1965 engine.



quote:Sometimes moving on to the bright shiny and new isn't the best venture.

I'm old skool myself. No argument from me.


quote:All I'm asking is that your facts be kept straight.

I think they are.

My purpose of my post was to object to 56H-Y6 stating that "all of us" want to see sodbuster's car Studebaker powered. I don't want to be included in that group. I personally don't care WHAT engine sodbuster ends up installing as long as he builds the car HE wants to build and has fun doing it. I would hate sodbuster to think we are a bunch of StudeBiggots here. I'd like him to feel good about building the kind of car he wants to build and to feel welcome discussing it with us...that's all.


http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Roscomacaw
10-22-2006, 03:37 PM
WOW![:0] And not ONE WORD from me for one camp or the other.[|)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-22-2006, 03:37 PM
WOW![:0] And not ONE WORD from me for one camp or the other.[|)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 04:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

WOW![:0] And not ONE WORD from me for one camp or the other.[|)]



Yea, but by now I can read your mind, Biggs. [^][:o)]



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 04:03 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

WOW![:0] And not ONE WORD from me for one camp or the other.[|)]



Yea, but by now I can read your mind, Biggs. [^][:o)]



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

sodbuster
10-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Thanks guys for the info.......

Dick, Is that your car at Bonneville? We go there every year and I hope to run a "Bellytank" with a V8-60 in 08' or 09'.

Kind of a sub question, but......Does anyone know who is making the "Stude" fiberglass fenders? I have a buddy that races the 974 Orange Studebaker (1953) at Bonneville and he mentioned to me to find fiberglass fenders for it.

Thanks,
Chris Nelson
Kansas

SBC? Nope, if I changed the motor it would be a Flathead just to make people think.

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

sodbuster
10-22-2006, 04:52 PM
Thanks guys for the info.......

Dick, Is that your car at Bonneville? We go there every year and I hope to run a "Bellytank" with a V8-60 in 08' or 09'.

Kind of a sub question, but......Does anyone know who is making the "Stude" fiberglass fenders? I have a buddy that races the 974 Orange Studebaker (1953) at Bonneville and he mentioned to me to find fiberglass fenders for it.

Thanks,
Chris Nelson
Kansas

SBC? Nope, if I changed the motor it would be a Flathead just to make people think.

A Devil with A Hammer & Hell with A Torch

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 05:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by sodbuster


Dick, Is that your car at Bonneville?

Does anyone know who is making the "Stude" fiberglass fenders?

if I changed the motor it would be a Flathead



Yep, but only a "photo op". We were returning from Lincoln, NE to San Francisco from Rod and Custom's Americruise. Stayed the night in Salt Lake City, and got the car out on the salt early the next morning.

Here's a couple of folks making glass fenders...

http://www.the-glas-shop.com/ck.htm

http://www.phantomstudebakers.com/

There are others.

Studebaker made flathead motors. They just happen to have all the cylinders in a row [:o)]



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 05:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by sodbuster


Dick, Is that your car at Bonneville?

Does anyone know who is making the "Stude" fiberglass fenders?

if I changed the motor it would be a Flathead



Yep, but only a "photo op". We were returning from Lincoln, NE to San Francisco from Rod and Custom's Americruise. Stayed the night in Salt Lake City, and got the car out on the salt early the next morning.

Here's a couple of folks making glass fenders...

http://www.the-glas-shop.com/ck.htm

http://www.phantomstudebakers.com/

There are others.

Studebaker made flathead motors. They just happen to have all the cylinders in a row [:o)]



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 06:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
It's time to shed, "new blood,"


Thanks, guys...and I thought you were my friends ;)



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-22-2006, 06:21 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude
It's time to shed, "new blood,"


Thanks, guys...and I thought you were my friends ;)



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

stude freak
10-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Hey Ron , I'm on dailup and the picture of the shop hadn't dl when I answered the ?But yeah what is that (old)car Chris?



David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

stude freak
10-22-2006, 07:08 PM
Hey Ron , I'm on dailup and the picture of the shop hadn't dl when I answered the ?But yeah what is that (old)car Chris?



David Baggett Mantachie,Ms.

Guido
10-24-2006, 08:01 PM
Sodbuster,

You may be better off to start with this shell and use parts off of yours. It is located in AZ, so it should be solid if it was there all its life.

For Sale: 1955 President hardtop for parts for Speedster, or restoration

Rick STUDE55@MSN.COM 623-853-0544

Has typical repairable rust in fenders, very nice side trim, chrome needs replating, grill needs replacing. Floorboards are solid, as is the trunk. Motor is original, but locked. Has auto tranny. This is the same body as the 55 speedster, and many,many parts, bolts,doors, fenders, glass, power steering, everything but the dashboard. Will fit in the speedster. $1,200 remember this is a parts car, and no title will provide bill of sale and can store very cheaply for a long time.



http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
10-24-2006, 08:01 PM
Sodbuster,

You may be better off to start with this shell and use parts off of yours. It is located in AZ, so it should be solid if it was there all its life.

For Sale: 1955 President hardtop for parts for Speedster, or restoration

Rick STUDE55@MSN.COM 623-853-0544

Has typical repairable rust in fenders, very nice side trim, chrome needs replating, grill needs replacing. Floorboards are solid, as is the trunk. Motor is original, but locked. Has auto tranny. This is the same body as the 55 speedster, and many,many parts, bolts,doors, fenders, glass, power steering, everything but the dashboard. Will fit in the speedster. $1,200 remember this is a parts car, and no title will provide bill of sale and can store very cheaply for a long time.



http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/53/453/1/21/36/2964121360097493054pVJTFL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/57/757/2/88/4/2023288040097493054SEKowB_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/18/19/8/37/21/2050837210097493054IYBJJL_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/559/1/43/57/2876143570097493054jKVhDw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/59/459/2/23/86/2067223860097493054YoeGMx_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/5/18/33/2537518330097493054OgEKcN_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R16A grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures".

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.