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wcarroll@outrageous.net
04-25-2008, 08:51 PM
I know I've seen a few of these over the years and seem to recall one being featured in TW somewhat recently. Was curious as to what the overall wheelbase was once the car was shortened. Does anyone have any idea? ...or recall which issue the car was in? Thanks -Will

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Roscomacaw
04-25-2008, 09:12 PM
I've got some drawings or some promotional info about doing these. There was a guy here in CA that was trying to make money at it some way or other. I'll look an see if I can scare up that stuff.

Miscreant Studebaker nut in California's central valley.

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe
1957 President two door

ceecab
04-25-2008, 09:42 PM
The shortened Stude roadster is owned and built by Jimmy Varacalli in East Mckeesport, Pa
here is the link to his website--which also shows the work in progress on a 53 Conestoga
http://www.varacalliautobody.com/Main.htm

Gary1953
04-25-2008, 11:05 PM
According to John Bridges article in the January 1993 Turning Wheels he cut 16 1/2" out of the frame making it 104" wheelbase for his shortened '53. He cut 16" from the rear body. It is the cover car. A beautiful red convertible. John also modifidied the hood so that the middle edge comes down to the top of the bumper. Very nice car. It was on display at the Nashville International Meet.

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Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

sals54
04-26-2008, 01:06 AM
This is one of the only shortened 53s I like. So many others were shortened only at the rear fender and often, too much taken out. Some seem to think if they are going to cut it anyway, they may as well cut a lot. This one has a nice balance to it. I wonder how many different styles of removable hard top one could conjure up for it?

lstude
04-26-2008, 03:49 PM
Motor Trend Magazine did an article about a shortened Studebaker. The one they show had 20 inches taken out.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/MotorTrendMay60shortStude.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/52Commander41108sm3.jpg

wcarroll@outrageous.net
04-26-2008, 04:59 PM
Well.... the reason I ask is because I'm thinking about building an electric car based on a VW tubular chassis. And after flipping through the numerous concept/show car books I have looking for body style inspiration, I realized you really can't go wrong with Lowey lines :D

I think a shortened fiberglass C/K roadster with removable hardtop would work great -functional and classy! Who says EV's have to look like spaceships anyways?? Plus we all know the wind cheating capabilities of C/K cars. Anyone happen to know the drag coefficient of a stock full size '53/'54 C/K??

Thanks for all your input.

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studegary
04-26-2008, 09:08 PM
I have seen a few of these. The ones that I am familiar with took most of the rear quarter section ahead of the rear wheel out.
I also remember some full length cars with removable hardtops.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

S2DSteve
04-27-2008, 06:50 PM
The main reason that one looks so "right" is the lowered windshield. John Bridges' car also had the windshield cut and tilted back, although not as much. The stock windshield is just too tall in a shortened body.

I also like the angle he put in the doors-nice touch.

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Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1937 Dictator Flatback sedan (for sale)
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

StudeDave57
04-27-2008, 06:56 PM
That short car looks good, but wouldn't it look even better with a "gentleman's chop" [?] Maybe about an inch or so would do it I'd think... ;)

One other thing~ where is this car today [?] [?] [?]
What a find that would be!!!


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview 'Betsy' (she's a 2dr wagon...)
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

r1lark
04-27-2008, 07:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeDave57

That short car looks good, but wouldn't it look even better with a "gentleman's chop" [?] Maybe about an inch or so would do it I'd think... ;)

One other thing~ where is this car today [?] [?] [?]
What a find that would be!!!


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca
www.studebakersandiego.com

'54 Commander Regal 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Commander DeLuxe 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion Custom 2dr 'Jewel'
'57 Parkview 'Betsy' (she's a 2dr wagon...)
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'



I agree on the chop Dave. An perhaps deleting the vent window would make a big improvement also.

Paul

wcarroll@outrageous.net
04-27-2008, 11:46 PM
I was originally thinking I might try laying up my own fiberglass body, but now think I'd be better off spending my fab time on designing a light duty chassis with modern R&P and upper/lower control arms upfront, and a VW transaxle out back. Would most likely use a Glass Shop race weight body. I'd shorten it, cut the top off -converting it into a removable hardtop, and remove the C pillar. Probably loose the vent windows too -although I really do enjoy their functionality.

Why -some might ask? Well, the way I see it gas isn't getting any cheaper and if I'm going to build an electric powered "kit" car of sorts, why not have it be a Studebaker?? I live in the perfect environment for a EV roadster. Roads are primarily flat, the weather is fair and there isn't much traffic. I'd love to build a Porsche Speedster or Beck Spyder, but their body styles don't leave room for batteries. The cost of the Glass Shop body is pretty competitive with what's currently available in the kit car body market.

Plus, Studebaker was in the electric car market for a while way back when -weren't they?? I'd have to believe that had they remained in business as a forward thinking automaker, they might very well been at the forefront of US made EV/Hybrid cars. Heck, if someone made a lightweight fiberglass 2-door Lark body I'd be all over it in a heartbeat!!!!

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sals54
04-27-2008, 11:51 PM
I think you are both right. The gentlemens chop, (which normally I do not like), would look good on the shortened car. It would take some of the "bubble" effect out of the cockpit area. Also, the vent window being removed would enhance and lengthen the look of the door area. Great eyes.

studegary
04-28-2008, 10:43 PM
When Bob Bourke first designed the Starliner, he wanted one long door glass and no rear quarter window, as on later Camaros and Firebirds. It was determined to be too much for Studebaker to build that way. Bob did own a second series Firebird for many years. One night, he followed me, in my 1953 Commander Starliner, in his Firebird, from the Playboy Club in New Jersey to where I live in the Hudson Valley of New York State. He told me that that ride brought back many memories. I am sorry, but I digress, again.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

PekkaP
04-29-2008, 03:54 PM
Some ten years ago I was very close to buy a Hawk based roadster that was shortened roughly as the one shown in this tread. It had some parts from 53/54 (trunk lid). Most of the car seemed like 57/58 GH / 60 Hawk. Body tag under the hood was removed if I remember correct and another on the door post was from 1960 Hawk ( maybe not the original?). This car came to Finland at the end of 1980s to my understanding somewhere from So-Cal area. It was in a running condition with a McCulloch powered engine.[:p] Looked like the custom job would have been done in the late 1950s early 1960s.
It was soon sold and after a couple of owners it ended up sitting outside -- yet covered. In 1997-98 I had already agreed the purchase of the car after visiting the most recent owner a couple of times and after following the process of its not so happy life in our country.[:0] (I did quite a bit of driving to check it ).

However, another Studebaker owner -- whom I had helped with some parts before -- heard about it and picked it up the day before I arrived with my money:(... this happens ..[B)].To my understanding the car was then used as a donor car for a Hawk being restored.

Anyhow it was shortned and when it came (1988?) ten years before I took these pics it was in a running condition and all body panels there.

As I can not access my other webpage to post the few pictures... I try this link to my other album .. if it does not work I will post the few pics a bit later in the week.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2234243460064371389luLRBv

Pekka


http://hotrods.pp.fi/Stude%20at%20Hillclimb%20Dodads%202006.jpg 1955 President State Coupe

1961 Lark Regal VIII Convertible

lstude
04-29-2008, 04:09 PM
There was a shortened Studebaker at York a few years ago, I think it was 2003.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/YorkSwapMeet2003ShortenedStudesides.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/YorkSwapMeet2003ShortenedStudefront.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/52Commander41108sm3.jpg

boomer
04-30-2008, 01:30 AM
quote:Originally posted by ceecab

The shortened Stude roadster is owned and built by Jimmy Varacalli in East Mckeesport, Pa
here is the link to his website--which also shows the work in progress on a 53 Conestoga
http://www.varacalliautobody.com/Main.htm


WOW ! That Varacalli Studester is the most beautiful custom car
I've ever seen !![8D] Thanks for posting !

Dennis Maxfield ( Boomer)
Lancaster,CA
1957 Silver Hawk (finless)

ceecab
04-30-2008, 05:17 PM
pictures don't do it justice
It has to be seen up close to even begin to appreciate the minute details and workmanship

And I personally think its too short lol-- but I love the way the car
was put together
jimmy and i used to park side by side at cruises [ my 55 commander regal coupe] for a before and after effect

on a side note-- all the stock parts for that car went to guys doing restorations and on the very cheap too
Same with the conestoga, owned by John Gagetta

mbstude
04-30-2008, 08:48 PM
quote:Some ten years ago I was very close to buy a Hawk based roadster that was shortened roughly as the one shown in this tread. It had some parts from 53/54 (trunk lid). Most of the car seemed like 57/58 GH / 60 Hawk. Body tag under the hood was removed if I remember correct and another on the door post was from 1960 Hawk ( maybe not the original?). This car came to Finland at the end of 1980s to my understanding somewhere from So-Cal area. It was in a running condition with a McCulloch powered engine. Looked like the custom job would have been done in the late 1950s early 1960s.
It was soon sold and after a couple of owners it ended up sitting outside -- yet covered. In 1997-98 I had already agreed the purchase of the car after visiting the most recent owner a couple of times and after following the process of its not so happy life in our country. (I did quite a bit of driving to check it ).

However, another Studebaker owner -- whom I had helped with some parts before -- heard about it and picked it up the day before I arrived with my money... this happens ...To my understanding the car was then used as a donor car for a Hawk being restored.

Anyhow it was shortned and when it came (1988?) ten years before I took these pics it was in a running condition and all body panels there.

As I can not access my other webpage to post the few pictures... I try this link to my other album .. if it does not work I will post the few pics a bit later in the week.

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2234243460064371389luLRBv

Pekka

For what it's worth... That very car was built by Joe Bacon, who is a participant on this very forum. From what he told me, he built it starting with a '58 Silver Hawk, back in the early '70's. It was at the Indianapolis National meet in 1976, along with his '54 Champ Starliner. Interesting that the car survived as long as it did, yet was parted out not long ago... [V]

Here's two scans from a couple of 30+ year old Turning Wheels. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/1mbstude/joes_hawk2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/1mbstude/joes_hawk.jpg

tbredehoft
04-30-2008, 10:14 PM
This one's running around loose somewhere in central Ohio.

http://i32.tinypic.com/ztyjyf.jpg

I know, its not a roadster, but it certainly has been cut down. If memory serves, theres a SBC in it.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
(Under Construction) 197 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

jbwhttail
04-30-2008, 10:24 PM
Hello all..............

The car that was/is in Finland does look alot like the car I did ,"back in the day". The few pictures that we have today are not much better than what Matt has scanned. It was a 1958 silver hawk we started with, the 53/54 deck lid was added(only because it was solid) the continental kit....... I always had a soft spot for them. The car color when I sold it was a Brand X silver.

There was 20" taken out of the rear quarters just in front of the wheel wells. At that time we couldn't figure out a top so the car had a Tannue(sp???) cover custom made for it. I do remember it was a 289 auto with a 4 barrel(not golden hawk powered).

I got bored with the car and sold it to an individual(on the east coast) thru Turning wWeels. I clearly remember that I shipped it on a truck with no deposit, the truck driver had title in hand and the cash needed to give title. I had told the buyer if it was not as represented, tell the driver to turn around and return the car. My wife was terrified that we would send a car with no cash received. It is a testinmonial to the integrity of SDC members, that's what we did prior to Ebay..............lol. Needless to say I received the cash. I bought a "basket case Avanti" with the sale.

An Avanti with SBC motor mounts, no wiring no seats and 40 diffent colors. Dogs slept in the car...........ahh but that was another story!!

Oh Yea!!!...... the Avanti came from Georgia.:)


It is an addiction!

PekkaP
05-01-2008, 02:20 AM
quote:The car that was/is in Finland does look alot like the car I did ,"back in the day". The few pictures that we have today are not much better than what Matt has scanned. It was a 1958 silver hawk we started with, the 53/54 deck lid was added(only because it was solid) the continental kit....... I always had a soft spot for them. The car color when I sold it was a Brand X silver.

There was 20" taken out of the rear quarters just in front of the wheel wells. At that time we couldn't figure out a top so the car had a Tannue(sp???) cover custom made for it. I do remember it was a 289 auto with a 4 barrel(not golden hawk powered).


This could well be the car -- however, the trunk lid at that stage was plain -- not the faux continental kit -type. It seemed to have been fitted with a tonneau (also tough with cuorrect sp ?? ) cover. Too bad that I was a bit ( 12 hours !) late in finalizing the agreed deal back then -- I guess I would have tried to put it back on the road the way it was modified...[8D]

Pekka

http://hotrods.pp.fi/Stude%20at%20Hillclimb%20Dodads%202006.jpg 1955 President State Coupe

1961 Lark Regal VIII Convertible

sals54
05-01-2008, 02:34 AM
I like the yellow one. Cool lines, and the front end treatment is very Ferrari-ish. The only change I would make would be to tuck in the tires a bit.

woodysrods
10-08-2011, 03:41 PM
This one's running around loose somewhere in central Ohio.

http://i32.tinypic.com/ztyjyf.jpg

I know, its not a roadster, but it certainly has been cut down. If memory serves, theres a SBC in it.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President (6H Y6) State Sedan
(Under Construction) 197 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars
That is the best use of a 55 hood I have ever seen!
Good roads
Brian

Effie
11-27-2012, 05:17 PM
For what it's worth... That very car was built by Joe Bacon, who is a participant on this very forum. From what he told me, he built it starting with a '58 Silver Hawk, back in the early '70's. It was at the Indianapolis National meet in 1976, along with his '54 Champ Starliner. Interesting that the car survived as long as it did, yet was parted out not long ago... [V]

Here's two scans from a couple of 30+ year old Turning Wheels. :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/1mbstude/joes_hawk2.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/1mbstude/joes_hawk.jpg
I owned the above Joe Bacon car in CT in the late 70s; from my ownership, it went to the Washington DC area where it was photographed in Hemmings. You can pull up a Google image if you search "custom studebaker hawk". I'll try to find a couple old pictures. When I find them, I'll post them. It was painted silver and had a black interior. Don't know if I have the serial number anywhere.

scott.rodgers
12-04-2012, 04:51 PM
This one isn't shortened but it's a pretty good custom '53 convertible. I've never seen it before today (just got it from the HAMB) so I don't have any details on it. It would be interesting to know what 50's-era car the top came from.

Effie
12-10-2012, 08:24 PM
Oh, and the Bacon-built car does not appear to be the one imported to Finland. Too many small differences.

PackardV8
12-10-2012, 08:33 PM
There was a semi-finished but driveable shortened convertible running around the Spokane area for several years.

jack vines

Flashback
12-10-2012, 08:43 PM
Just my opinion, and everyone has one. BUT, the one off customs are cool (some of them), however I have never seen one of the shortened ones that looked as good as the original. JUST ME

Nox
12-11-2012, 01:36 PM
Yes Flashback, I for sure agree but...
I think that's probably because they're shortened to much & lost their beauty.

I've shortened a Citroen DS to a rally-coupe (google "Citroen DS, search for speed" or www.citroen-sport-classique.com[ & those I found either to long (not enough cutted out) or to short so instead I did it half-way between & YES, there it was: NICE!
(But the tank is under the rear seat & that was a problem + it's not a straight line on that cars body, it's built like a rounded boat even seen from above.)