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bams50
10-18-2006, 08:09 PM
Are 59-60 Lark 2 door and 4 door frames the same?

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

Scott
10-18-2006, 08:50 PM
I'm not sure, but if you have the parts books I wonder if it could tell you. There might be different numbers, though...

bams50
10-18-2006, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Yes and NO. They will swap places however.


What exactly is the "NO" part?

I'm thinking about switching a super-clean, complete rolling 59 2dr. chassis I have under the 60 4dr. I'm redoing... what makes it work is if it can be done without a lot of changing...

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

stude53
10-18-2006, 09:52 PM
Hey, Bob

Here is a topic you should read.
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http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5578&SearchTerms=lark+frame

[img=left]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j259/stude53/studesmall2.jpg[/img=left]Bob Feaganes (stude53)
53 Starliner Hardtop
Newton Grove, NC

bams50
10-18-2006, 10:09 PM
Thanks, Bob- I should have remembered that thread and did a search for it [:I]

But it still isn't definitive- here's what Dick S. wrote:

"I don't have a parts book, but I would guess the frames are the same."

Hopefully someone will know how to tell for sure before I attempt it ;)



Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

John Kirchhoff
10-18-2006, 11:07 PM
My shop manual shows the same frame dimensions being used for both the 2 and 4 door models.

rockne10
10-18-2006, 11:30 PM
This may not help but I have a Motors Crash Book from 1953-1957. The 53 and 54 two door and four door used the same frame. The 55 two door, four door and station wagon used the same frame. The 56 and 57 sedans and wagons used the same frame (except Classic Sedan). Without access to a 59-60 Crash Book, I would guess you would be good to go. It would be nice if an old local body shop still had that book on the shelf.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

StudeRich
10-18-2006, 11:57 PM
I have to say (softly) :)that none of your answers are quite on target to answer Bob Andrews question.
The truth is the parts book helps, but the Shop Manual actually TELLS YOU the frame rail thickness. Also many good posts on the forum say basically that 6 or 8 cyl. does not matter, EXCEPT on 2 doors, some years like '59-'61 they used a light frame 13 ga. on V8 & on 6 cyl. 2drs. a even lighter 14 ga. one. Most 4 dr's. H/T's, wagons, Police, Taxi, Jet Thrust Engined cars have heavy 11 ga. frame. The answer is NO Bob, they are not the same. Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's. your '59S 2dr. is 14ga. your '60 V8 4dr. is 13ga. neither are the good 11 ga. like '62 & on (wrong wheelbase to fit a '60).
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432&SearchTerms=14,gauge,frame

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

bams50
10-19-2006, 05:38 AM
I see... maybe I should mention that both the subject and donor cars are 6 cylinders...

So to be clear: The 2 and 4dr. frames are exactly the same dimensionally- and with both cars having the flat 6, in my case thickness doesn't enter in...

Did I get it right?[:I]

Robert K. Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2358680/1

John Kirchhoff
10-19-2006, 09:28 AM
The shop manual shows one diagram that includes both cars, so they should be the same. If you need I can email you a copy so you will know where the mounting points are.

kamzack
10-19-2006, 10:05 AM
Hey Robert,
Call Steve Cade at 352=472=9369. He has the books with all the dimensions and can tell ya positively. As far as thickness is concerned you're right, doesn't matter. Will also mention converts,hardtops and wagons had an "x" member in the frame to give it structure stability. There may have been other severe service cars that had the x member, but I've owned the catergories above and know they have it.
Kim

StudeDave57
10-20-2006, 01:35 AM
I'm not so sure about the hartops, but I DO KNOW~
The only wagons with the 'X' memeber were the Wagonaires~
'63-'66 WITH the sliding roof...


StudeDave [8D]
V/P San Diego County SDC
San Diego, Ca

'54 Commander 4dr 'Ruby'
'57 Parkview (it's a 2dr wagon...) 'Betsy'
'57 Commander 2dr 'Baby'
'57 Champion 2dr 'Jewel'
'58 Packard sedan 'Cleo'
'65 Cruiser 'Sweet Pea'

StudeRich
10-20-2006, 02:46 AM
Yes Dave; that would be right, NO Wagons or Hardtops had "X" members.
Only Wagonaires ('63-'66), and Convertibles, of course also Avantis.

Police, Taxi, Severe service "fleet vehicles", Export cars etc. were all stiffened by means of the previously mentioned heavy gauge frame.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

Retired
10-07-2007, 10:43 PM
Two door, four door, same body, two door, front door is wider,"b" piller repositioned. Frame would be the same. '47-'52 and maybe later, Champion and Commander two, four, bodies were the same. Land Cruiser, look under the rear floor mat and you will find the welded body extension piece. LC had their own rear doors. Was this alteration done in house or did the body builder do it?

StudeRich
10-07-2007, 11:02 PM
Retired, all of your posts are interesting to say the least, they mostly all revive old posts! At least you have been reading/searching old posts listed before you joined or posted, which is good! [^]

However by now; a YEAR later Bob who asked the question, could have sold or finished his '59 and '60 Larks![^] Though I don't think he has.



StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

bams50
10-08-2007, 12:51 PM
Nope, old Mabel is still in storage, bumped by the various other Studes that have followed me home since then;)

I forgot how hard it was getting a direct, clear answer on this question... still am a little confuddled about it[xx(]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

Transtar60
10-08-2007, 02:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I have to say (softly) :)

Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's. your '59S 2dr. is 14ga. your '60 V8 4dr. is 13ga. neither are the good 11 ga. like '62 & on (wrong wheelbase to fit a '60).
http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/sdc_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5432&SearchTerms=14,gauge,frame

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA
Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
I'm pretty sure there were a couple made;)

http://racingstudebakers.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10056/5E13%20Pic%203.JPG
3E38
4E2
4E28
5E13
7E7
8E7
8E12
8E28

59 Lark
etc

Dick Steinkamp
10-08-2007, 03:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Transtar60
Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
I'm pretty sure there were a couple made;)


Although the literature says only 6 cylinders in the '59 2 doors, ANYTHING is possible with our Studebakers [:0]. The wheelbase was the same on all '59 Larks except for the wagon, so I would think it would be possible to use a V8 frame from a 4 door or hardtop.

BTW, does anybody know the frame gauge of a '59 V8, 59 6, 54 V8 and 54 6?

Thanks.

http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

StudeRich
10-08-2007, 04:36 PM
NO, there were no '59 Lark VIII 2dr's. actually very few '60's!
We cannot count the one employee who MAY have special ordered one car or anything like that, which of course IS very possible! [^]


quote:Originally posted by Transtar60


quote:Originally posted by StudeRich

I have to say (softly) :)
Since there were no '59 V8 2dr's.
StudeRich
Are you sure there were no 1959 Lark V8 2dr sedans??
I'm pretty sure there were a couple made;)

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

laughinlark
10-08-2007, 06:52 PM
Hey Robert

Change the frame and be done with it! Back in early 80's, myself and four buds changed frames in my 61 2dr Lark. The buds were there for muscle and refreshments. The swap was pretty simple. We put one in from a doner 59 2dr ht that was really rusty. Still have parts laying around for that car. Anyway, if I remember right the only difference was the added floor support at the door jam had to be removed. (where the striker plate is)

Gordon