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ralt12
03-10-2008, 02:05 PM
They're 17's, and yeah, it is a pretty serious machine. But not one of those Pro Street things; only 275 in the back, and 255 in the front. Compared to a lot of today's performance cars, that's not a lot.

'53 Commander

ralt12
03-10-2008, 02:05 PM
They're 17's, and yeah, it is a pretty serious machine. But not one of those Pro Street things; only 275 in the back, and 255 in the front. Compared to a lot of today's performance cars, that's not a lot.

'53 Commander

ralt12
03-10-2008, 02:49 PM
Anybody have a stock '53 C ride height at the rocker right behind the front wheel and right in front of the rear wheel?
I'm thinking this is too low for me, and I'd like to get a little closer to stock.
http://nelson-motorsports.com/IMG_2184.JPG
http://nelson-motorsports.com/IMG_2185.JPG

'53 Commander

tbredehoft
03-10-2008, 02:57 PM
I'd like to think mine is close. The front, bottom flange of the rocker panel is 7 1/4, the back 10 inches. Before I measured I'd have sworn it was nearer parallel the ground than that.

I guess the best thing to do is have everyone measure theirs and take an average.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan
(Under Construction) 134 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

tbredehoft
03-10-2008, 02:57 PM
I'd like to think mine is close. The front, bottom flange of the rocker panel is 7 1/4, the back 10 inches. Before I measured I'd have sworn it was nearer parallel the ground than that.

I guess the best thing to do is have everyone measure theirs and take an average.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan
(Under Construction) 134 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

StudeRich
03-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Those rocker to ground numbers vary a lot because not everyone uses tall tires like the original and each brand is different.

I do not think you will ever achieve the correct "look" as long as you have those 18 in. wheels and 50 or less aspect ratio tires or whatever they are, because you will never see the top half of the tire, no matter how high you raise the car, until you get into 4X4 territory!![:0]

But on the other hand, if it is a serious hot rod you should not care!
I suppose another 1 1/2 to 2 in. higher in front and a little in back would make it look a little less like a funny car though.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-10-2008, 02:59 PM
Those rocker to ground numbers vary a lot because not everyone uses tall tires like the original and each brand is different.

I do not think you will ever achieve the correct "look" as long as you have those 18 in. wheels and 50 or less aspect ratio tires or whatever they are, because you will never see the top half of the tire, no matter how high you raise the car, until you get into 4X4 territory!![:0]

But on the other hand, if it is a serious hot rod you should not care!
I suppose another 1 1/2 to 2 in. higher in front and a little in back would make it look a little less like a funny car though.

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

lstude
03-10-2008, 04:03 PM
Special Interest Autos Magazine says it is 7.1 inches to the front gravel pan.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/SIAOct-Nov72Stude53page5sm.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
03-10-2008, 04:03 PM
Special Interest Autos Magazine says it is 7.1 inches to the front gravel pan.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/SIAOct-Nov72Stude53page5sm.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-10-2008, 06:15 PM
Looks good to me! [:p]

Keep in mind that if it's too low, you're too old. ;)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-10-2008, 06:15 PM
Looks good to me! [:p]

Keep in mind that if it's too low, you're too old. ;)

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

S2DSteve
03-10-2008, 06:34 PM
What Dick said. If you can still drive it, it's not too low!
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/Convert010-1.jpg

Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1937 Dictator Flatback sedan (for sale)
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

S2DSteve
03-10-2008, 06:34 PM
What Dick said. If you can still drive it, it's not too low!
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u57/S2DSteve/Convert010-1.jpg

Steve Hudson
The Dalles, Oregon
1937 Dictator Flatback sedan (for sale)
1949 "GMOBaker" 1-T Dually (workhorse)
1953 Commander Convertible (show & go)
1953 Champion Starliner (custom/rod project)
1954 Champion Coupe (daily driver)
1960 Hawk (future project?)

Frank Starr
03-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Leonard's 7.1-inches from Special Interest Auto's is probably a pretty good figure. They were a pretty reliable source.

The other thing is that as far as I have been able to determine, the center (flat) part of the frame should be level to the ground. Most cars aren't that way now unless the springs have been replaced. 'Course, you may want a drop, but that's not to be confused with saggy springs.

Your wife can probably explain sag to you.

Frank Starr
Seattle

Frank Starr
03-10-2008, 07:25 PM
Leonard's 7.1-inches from Special Interest Auto's is probably a pretty good figure. They were a pretty reliable source.

The other thing is that as far as I have been able to determine, the center (flat) part of the frame should be level to the ground. Most cars aren't that way now unless the springs have been replaced. 'Course, you may want a drop, but that's not to be confused with saggy springs.

Your wife can probably explain sag to you.

Frank Starr
Seattle

ralt12
03-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Actually, it's not a stock frame, so the body measurements are more relevant here.

'53 Commander

ralt12
03-10-2008, 11:22 PM
Actually, it's not a stock frame, so the body measurements are more relevant here.

'53 Commander

sals54
03-11-2008, 12:35 AM
Mine is about that low with the stock suspension. I cut 1-1/2 coils off the front and used 3" lowering blocks in the back. This summer I hope to have it bagged front and rear.

sals54
03-11-2008, 12:35 AM
Mine is about that low with the stock suspension. I cut 1-1/2 coils off the front and used 3" lowering blocks in the back. This summer I hope to have it bagged front and rear.

ralt12
03-11-2008, 01:40 PM
As it sits, the bottom of the front rocker---the little flange that protrudes from the bottom--is 6 3/8's high; the rear is an inch higher. I'm surprised, it seems lower standing next to it.

'53 Commander

ralt12
03-11-2008, 01:40 PM
As it sits, the bottom of the front rocker---the little flange that protrudes from the bottom--is 6 3/8's high; the rear is an inch higher. I'm surprised, it seems lower standing next to it.

'53 Commander

Jeff_H
03-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Here's mine:

Front 9"
Rear 10"

Measured just behind and in front of the tires. Side view taken a couple springs ago when I changed to 6" rims:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/driverside2005small.jpg

Tires are 205/75R15 that are still on the car.

Unfortunately, its not that green 'round here yet! It did get to ~35 or so today and melted a little. Its been 0ish the past few mornings and -15 last week. Still >1ft of snow around too :(

From the other numbers posted I wonder if my car is too high [?] The rear springs are originals and the fronts were new custom ones. I was trying to get the relative positions of the heel hubs/centers to the bottom of the rocker to match factory pix and period ads.


Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

Jeff_H
03-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Here's mine:

Front 9"
Rear 10"

Measured just behind and in front of the tires. Side view taken a couple springs ago when I changed to 6" rims:

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/driverside2005small.jpg

Tires are 205/75R15 that are still on the car.

Unfortunately, its not that green 'round here yet! It did get to ~35 or so today and melted a little. Its been 0ish the past few mornings and -15 last week. Still >1ft of snow around too :(

From the other numbers posted I wonder if my car is too high [?] The rear springs are originals and the fronts were new custom ones. I was trying to get the relative positions of the heel hubs/centers to the bottom of the rocker to match factory pix and period ads.


Jeff in ND
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/ee-engineer/53byalaketiny.jpg
'53 Champion Hardtop

tbredehoft
03-11-2008, 08:08 PM
When my car was rebuilt, the builders (well recognized Stude people) put five leaves in the rear springs and HD springs in front. The car sat 3 inches too high, judging by the amount of tire revealed in the wheel wells. After I put on 7.10 - 15 tires, I had two inches cut from the front springs and the second leaf removed from the rear springs. The tire exposure almost exactly matched the full profile in Bridges "Studebakers' Finest" front and rear.

Since then I have changed to 215x75 -15 tires on original Studebaker 5 in wheels.

The gravel scoop measures 7 1/8 inches in the center. close enough for me, compared to the SIA article above. The front of my rocker panel, little flange, is 7 1/4, the rear is 10. I wonder if my gas tank is full of helium. Because of visual interference in my garage I cannot photograph the car now.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan
(Under Construction) 134 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

tbredehoft
03-11-2008, 08:08 PM
When my car was rebuilt, the builders (well recognized Stude people) put five leaves in the rear springs and HD springs in front. The car sat 3 inches too high, judging by the amount of tire revealed in the wheel wells. After I put on 7.10 - 15 tires, I had two inches cut from the front springs and the second leaf removed from the rear springs. The tire exposure almost exactly matched the full profile in Bridges "Studebakers' Finest" front and rear.

Since then I have changed to 215x75 -15 tires on original Studebaker 5 in wheels.

The gravel scoop measures 7 1/8 inches in the center. close enough for me, compared to the SIA article above. The front of my rocker panel, little flange, is 7 1/4, the rear is 10. I wonder if my gas tank is full of helium. Because of visual interference in my garage I cannot photograph the car now.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan
(Under Construction) 134 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

Dick Steinkamp
03-11-2008, 08:20 PM
Here's Jeff's, Dave's, and my car at the same cornfield on the same day...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/21c4.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/6f92.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/fc64.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-11-2008, 08:20 PM
Here's Jeff's, Dave's, and my car at the same cornfield on the same day...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/21c4.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/6f92.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/Omaha/fc64.jpg

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-11-2008, 08:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude

I like/respect Jeff's car, from an originality perspective! [^]

Me too...Jeff did a nice job.

quote:
That pesky front anti-sway bar on 'Sheba, OTOH, has met a curb or two, but I love her, anyway. [8D]

I knocked the front air scoop of mine at a restaurant in Lincoln, NE. I hit the exhaust cut outs many times (the lowest part of the car). There is a price to be paid for low...but I'll gladly pay it.

quote:
If you don't miss that car, Dick, I miss it for ya!


It was (is) a great car. There are several that I miss...but I'm not loosing any sleep over it :D. I figure I get to actually own more of those I lust after if I don't keep them forever.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-11-2008, 08:24 PM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude

I like/respect Jeff's car, from an originality perspective! [^]

Me too...Jeff did a nice job.

quote:
That pesky front anti-sway bar on 'Sheba, OTOH, has met a curb or two, but I love her, anyway. [8D]

I knocked the front air scoop of mine at a restaurant in Lincoln, NE. I hit the exhaust cut outs many times (the lowest part of the car). There is a price to be paid for low...but I'll gladly pay it.

quote:
If you don't miss that car, Dick, I miss it for ya!


It was (is) a great car. There are several that I miss...but I'm not loosing any sleep over it :D. I figure I get to actually own more of those I lust after if I don't keep them forever.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

ralt12
03-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Those are just great looking cars, gents--nice work!

'53 Commander

ralt12
03-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Those are just great looking cars, gents--nice work!

'53 Commander

N8N
03-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Is that your spin on one of those "decisions, decisions" posters? :)

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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N8N
03-11-2008, 08:37 PM
Is that your spin on one of those "decisions, decisions" posters? :)

nate

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55 Commander Starlight
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