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Guido
03-08-2008, 11:23 AM
Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

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Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

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Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
03-08-2008, 11:23 AM
Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 12:12 PM
I was at the SNM archives last Friday (Feb. 29). Previously, I had researched and recorded details of the 14 Avanti-powered Skytops Studebaker built. This latest trip, I found the name of the original purchaser of 63V-31238, a '63 Lark Custom 2-door Sedan, complete R2 Super package, Super Red, black vinyl buckets with matching inserts, white Skytop sunroof, and Powershift. This was my personal favorite of the 14 Avanti-Powered Skytops Studebaker built. I wrote the fellow last Sunday, as I found his name on whitepages.com. I had his first and middle initials, and last name. His street address was different now than on the card from the SNM, but the (smallish) city was the same. The car was delivered to the Stude dealer in Hollidaysburg, PA. Today I received a response in the mail:

"(Dealer name) was a good friend of mine. To the best of my memory I never owned the car you are inquiring about. Sorry."

What do you think might have happened here? I have an idea or two or three of my own, but I'm curious what anyone else might think.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 12:16 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Guido

Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

Guido, could you enlighten me on the "CRS Disease"? I have a hunch I'll be sorry I asked!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 12:16 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Guido

Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

Guido, could you enlighten me on the "CRS Disease"? I have a hunch I'll be sorry I asked!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Roscomacaw
03-08-2008, 12:16 PM
Geez Bill..... I've run into instances like this (not regarding Studebakers, mind you) that are just a quirk of fate. Of course, someone old enough to have taken delivery of such a car new is (and I hate to say it because this includes me![V]) olde enough to suffer severe (and selective) memory loss![B)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-08-2008, 12:16 PM
Geez Bill..... I've run into instances like this (not regarding Studebakers, mind you) that are just a quirk of fate. Of course, someone old enough to have taken delivery of such a car new is (and I hate to say it because this includes me![V]) olde enough to suffer severe (and selective) memory loss![B)]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

ClaymoreWW
03-08-2008, 12:34 PM
CRS =Can't Remember "Stuff" (or whatever else you can remember that begins with "S" ;)

--george

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ClaymoreWW
03-08-2008, 12:34 PM
CRS =Can't Remember "Stuff" (or whatever else you can remember that begins with "S" ;)

--george

http://www.teamwetworks.com/claymore/larkkey.jpg

BobPalma
03-08-2008, 12:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler

[quote]Originally posted by Guido

Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

Guido, could you enlighten me on the "CRS Disease"? I have a hunch I'll be sorry I asked!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1




[:0] Bill! How dare you suggest something off-color! ;)

CRS, of course, stands for Can't Remember Studebakers disease!

:D BP

BobPalma
03-08-2008, 12:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler

[quote]Originally posted by Guido

Maybe it was a relative of the original owner or it was the owner and he still has the car and doesn't want anyone to know. Or perhaps he is like me and has CRS disease. :D

Guido, could you enlighten me on the "CRS Disease"? I have a hunch I'll be sorry I asked!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1




[:0] Bill! How dare you suggest something off-color! ;)

CRS, of course, stands for Can't Remember Studebakers disease!

:D BP

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 12:42 PM
Of course, Shecky, I mean, Bob! I should've been able to figure that out!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

[/quote]

[:0] Bill! How dare you suggest something off-color! ;)

CRS, of course, stands for Can't Remember Studebakers disease!

:D BP

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 12:42 PM
Of course, Shecky, I mean, Bob! I should've been able to figure that out!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

[/quote]

[:0] Bill! How dare you suggest something off-color! ;)

CRS, of course, stands for Can't Remember Studebakers disease!

:D BP

StudeRich
03-08-2008, 12:44 PM
It sure would be interesting to know if that guy had any relatives in the area that could have been the logical age (20 something) or NOT, and could possibly have ordered and owned the car!

I suppose it is possible that somehow the deal fell through after the dealer sent in the registration card or something like that.
I guess since you did not actually speak to him, you could not ask if he then owned a DIFFERENT Studebaker from his friend the Dealer!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-08-2008, 12:44 PM
It sure would be interesting to know if that guy had any relatives in the area that could have been the logical age (20 something) or NOT, and could possibly have ordered and owned the car!

I suppose it is possible that somehow the deal fell through after the dealer sent in the registration card or something like that.
I guess since you did not actually speak to him, you could not ask if he then owned a DIFFERENT Studebaker from his friend the Dealer!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

wpsrea
03-08-2008, 01:22 PM
Bill, I have chased down the history on several Corvettes and have witnessed some strange responses. It is possible that dealer wanted the car for stock and needed a "friend's" name on the order in order to place the order. I have seen it happen before on other brands. I still haven't chased down a Stude. Maybe soon.

wpsrea
03-08-2008, 01:22 PM
Bill, I have chased down the history on several Corvettes and have witnessed some strange responses. It is possible that dealer wanted the car for stock and needed a "friend's" name on the order in order to place the order. I have seen it happen before on other brands. I still haven't chased down a Stude. Maybe soon.

bondobilly
03-08-2008, 01:40 PM
Many moons over the tee-pee ago we had just aquired our first Studebaaker, a 1947 Commander Starlight Coupe. In the glove box was all the paperwork about the original owner. We were attending a car show in up state NY, and as a whim we went over to a pay phone booth. Yes they still existed back then. I looked thru the White Pages and found Dr. Feel Good and on a quirk I called him.

I said my name was Bill Glass and I am about 2 miles from you at a Chevrolet dealership holding a car show and I now own your 1947 Studebaker. Would you like to come over and see it?

Dr. Feel Good must have been off his meds, as he tore into me. Why the hell would I care to see a car I got rid of 40 years ago? Never call me again. Then hung up.

Got the feeling that he must have had a bad life when he owned the car. Maybe he met and dated his wife of 40 plus years and blaims the car. Who knows.

bondobilly
03-08-2008, 01:40 PM
Many moons over the tee-pee ago we had just aquired our first Studebaaker, a 1947 Commander Starlight Coupe. In the glove box was all the paperwork about the original owner. We were attending a car show in up state NY, and as a whim we went over to a pay phone booth. Yes they still existed back then. I looked thru the White Pages and found Dr. Feel Good and on a quirk I called him.

I said my name was Bill Glass and I am about 2 miles from you at a Chevrolet dealership holding a car show and I now own your 1947 Studebaker. Would you like to come over and see it?

Dr. Feel Good must have been off his meds, as he tore into me. Why the hell would I care to see a car I got rid of 40 years ago? Never call me again. Then hung up.

Got the feeling that he must have had a bad life when he owned the car. Maybe he met and dated his wife of 40 plus years and blaims the car. Who knows.

curt
03-08-2008, 02:20 PM
I once call a previous owner of n antique car, he was not interested in talking and was just shy of rude, all kinds are needed to make this world.

curt
03-08-2008, 02:20 PM
I once call a previous owner of n antique car, he was not interested in talking and was just shy of rude, all kinds are needed to make this world.

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 02:40 PM
This car wasn't sold according to the info at the SNM, until 2/28/64 even though a '63-model Studebaker.

I wonder if the dealer sold his friend another Stude, and the wrong retail sale card was filled out (the dealer actually received preprinted cards with serial nos. already on them when a car was received from the factory)--meaning the customer bought another Stude, just the wrong card was filled out with the buyer information--or, I wonder if it might have been possible that the dealer did this to artificially "goose" sales in order to help win a sales award or better the looks of things to South Bend maybe? Who knows?

Is it possible that the buyer really couldn't remember a car? Seems unlikely...I even included a clear photo of my own '63 Skytop in the envelope, which he returned to me. His written response was polite, and prompt, just not the information I was hoping to receive!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 02:40 PM
This car wasn't sold according to the info at the SNM, until 2/28/64 even though a '63-model Studebaker.

I wonder if the dealer sold his friend another Stude, and the wrong retail sale card was filled out (the dealer actually received preprinted cards with serial nos. already on them when a car was received from the factory)--meaning the customer bought another Stude, just the wrong card was filled out with the buyer information--or, I wonder if it might have been possible that the dealer did this to artificially "goose" sales in order to help win a sales award or better the looks of things to South Bend maybe? Who knows?

Is it possible that the buyer really couldn't remember a car? Seems unlikely...I even included a clear photo of my own '63 Skytop in the envelope, which he returned to me. His written response was polite, and prompt, just not the information I was hoping to receive!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

avantilover
03-08-2008, 02:49 PM
The more important issue is whether the car still exists.


John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
03-08-2008, 02:49 PM
The more important issue is whether the car still exists.


John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

BobGlasscock
03-08-2008, 03:21 PM
If whatever states involved have open records for car registrations, you can submit the VIN and get the previous owners info. That might have a full name or some other better info for your search.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

BobGlasscock
03-08-2008, 03:21 PM
If whatever states involved have open records for car registrations, you can submit the VIN and get the previous owners info. That might have a full name or some other better info for your search.

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

BobGlasscock
03-08-2008, 03:41 PM
One day I spotted a '64 Daytona like the last one my dad bought in a Target parking lot. I pulled up and got to look at it and a young lady (like 20-25 y/o) walked up to me and told me it was hers and why was I looking. I explained the why and she responded with an 'oh' that expressed no interest whatsoever. The paint job was absolutely ugly, as if done by hand with Testors. She explained very simply that it was the best junkheap she could afford and it at least ran. Broke my heart she had so little knowledge of what she had, or could have. Oh, well....

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

BobGlasscock
03-08-2008, 03:41 PM
One day I spotted a '64 Daytona like the last one my dad bought in a Target parking lot. I pulled up and got to look at it and a young lady (like 20-25 y/o) walked up to me and told me it was hers and why was I looking. I explained the why and she responded with an 'oh' that expressed no interest whatsoever. The paint job was absolutely ugly, as if done by hand with Testors. She explained very simply that it was the best junkheap she could afford and it at least ran. Broke my heart she had so little knowledge of what she had, or could have. Oh, well....

'50 Champion, 1 family owner

DEEPNHOCK
03-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Question about the archives...
When you are doing research, do they (the SNM archives people) allow you to leave a note that you were doing research in a particular area?
My reason for thinking out loud on this is that it might be useful to some future historian to be able to contact you about the research you just did. You just might be able to fill in the blanks for someone years from now.....
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler

I was at the SNM archives last Friday (Feb. 29).
<snip>
Bill Pressler

DEEPNHOCK
03-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Question about the archives...
When you are doing research, do they (the SNM archives people) allow you to leave a note that you were doing research in a particular area?
My reason for thinking out loud on this is that it might be useful to some future historian to be able to contact you about the research you just did. You just might be able to fill in the blanks for someone years from now.....
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by Bill Pressler

I was at the SNM archives last Friday (Feb. 29).
<snip>
Bill Pressler

8E45E
03-08-2008, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by curt

I once call a previous owner of n antique car, he was not interested in talking and was just shy of rude, all kinds are needed to make this world.


I almost would hate to state my one grandfather would probably meet someone with a rude, or totally un-emotive response if someone came up to him with one of his old Buicks all restored. When he was alive, I asked him about some of the cars he owned over the years and, he would mention what they were, but as for anything farther, he'd respond with "That's HISTORY now!", and didn't care less about them at all.

Craig

8E45E
03-08-2008, 04:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by curt

I once call a previous owner of n antique car, he was not interested in talking and was just shy of rude, all kinds are needed to make this world.


I almost would hate to state my one grandfather would probably meet someone with a rude, or totally un-emotive response if someone came up to him with one of his old Buicks all restored. When he was alive, I asked him about some of the cars he owned over the years and, he would mention what they were, but as for anything farther, he'd respond with "That's HISTORY now!", and didn't care less about them at all.

Craig

Flashback
03-08-2008, 04:32 PM
I had a very bad experience when I tried to run the history on a 47 M-5 a few years back. The guy admitted he had owned the truck, but on top of not sharing any info, he cussed me. I think that's spelled cursed for some of you. I have started collecting info on my 53 Coupe and the response has been completely different. It has been almost as much fun as working on the car. I have actually been sent newspaper and HS year book ads from the the library in the original dealerships town. I have been in contact with the neice of the Dealer, and talked to the guy that owned the car as far back as 1969. These people have been wonderful. SO, it takes all kinds.

Tex in Al
53-C Coupe

Tex E. Grier

Flashback
03-08-2008, 04:32 PM
I had a very bad experience when I tried to run the history on a 47 M-5 a few years back. The guy admitted he had owned the truck, but on top of not sharing any info, he cussed me. I think that's spelled cursed for some of you. I have started collecting info on my 53 Coupe and the response has been completely different. It has been almost as much fun as working on the car. I have actually been sent newspaper and HS year book ads from the the library in the original dealerships town. I have been in contact with the neice of the Dealer, and talked to the guy that owned the car as far back as 1969. These people have been wonderful. SO, it takes all kinds.

Tex in Al
53-C Coupe

Tex E. Grier

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm thinking that there was a bulletin board in the work room where you do your research (they bring your requested items there to look at). I imagine maybe you could post something like you're talking about, there.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1


[quote]Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Question about the archives...
When you are doing research, do they (the SNM archives people) allow you to leave a note that you were doing research in a particular area?
My reason for thinking out loud on this is that it might be useful to some future historian to be able to contact you about the research you just did. You just might be able to fill in the blanks for someone years from now.....
Jeff[8D]

Bill Pressler
03-08-2008, 04:41 PM
I'm thinking that there was a bulletin board in the work room where you do your research (they bring your requested items there to look at). I imagine maybe you could post something like you're talking about, there.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1


[quote]Originally posted by DEEPNHOCK

Question about the archives...
When you are doing research, do they (the SNM archives people) allow you to leave a note that you were doing research in a particular area?
My reason for thinking out loud on this is that it might be useful to some future historian to be able to contact you about the research you just did. You just might be able to fill in the blanks for someone years from now.....
Jeff[8D]

wally
03-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Several years ago, i bought a 96 Furd with a bad transaxle from a wreckin' yard. I had been looking at the car for "awhile" before I negotiated a deal, and meantime, several components were sold. It was several weeks before i picked up the title, since the Wrecker needed time to locate it in his files. Well, by then he had screwed it up, by writing his name on it(figuring the car would be crushed, asap) and then my name on it in the blanks on the reverse and it was backdated to when he bought it, rendering it altered & not transferable. I tried to locate the registered owner, to no avail, to get his cooperation in requesting a duplicate. This was following the advice I had gotten from the license bureau, BTW. Well the other day, I check the 2008 edition of the phone book, and the r.o.'s phone number was there, and at the same address as it was on the title on this car! So, I called and left a message. The guy een returned my call, and left a message. He is cooperating, right? Well, when I called his place, he said he knew nothing of that car, never owned one, had no idea why it was in his name. I pointed out that the Title(that I had) and subsequent tag renewal notices would have been sent to his address--how did He account for that? He said he didn't know. This went on for at least ten minutes. He even went so far as to comment that it was illegal for someone to own a car, without transfering the title. What a jerk. The guy was plainly messing with me. This person was not old and senile, or have a commonplace name, causing a mistaken identity, either. It may take all kinds, but that particular "Kind" We can live better without! I offered this example because it does go to show what can happen. Good thing that MOST normal people will help you get these kind of things straightened out. Fortunately, I don't have much invested in this car, and I can part it out.

"You Can't Have Everything--Where Would You Put It?" ---comedian Steven Wright

wally
03-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Several years ago, i bought a 96 Furd with a bad transaxle from a wreckin' yard. I had been looking at the car for "awhile" before I negotiated a deal, and meantime, several components were sold. It was several weeks before i picked up the title, since the Wrecker needed time to locate it in his files. Well, by then he had screwed it up, by writing his name on it(figuring the car would be crushed, asap) and then my name on it in the blanks on the reverse and it was backdated to when he bought it, rendering it altered & not transferable. I tried to locate the registered owner, to no avail, to get his cooperation in requesting a duplicate. This was following the advice I had gotten from the license bureau, BTW. Well the other day, I check the 2008 edition of the phone book, and the r.o.'s phone number was there, and at the same address as it was on the title on this car! So, I called and left a message. The guy een returned my call, and left a message. He is cooperating, right? Well, when I called his place, he said he knew nothing of that car, never owned one, had no idea why it was in his name. I pointed out that the Title(that I had) and subsequent tag renewal notices would have been sent to his address--how did He account for that? He said he didn't know. This went on for at least ten minutes. He even went so far as to comment that it was illegal for someone to own a car, without transfering the title. What a jerk. The guy was plainly messing with me. This person was not old and senile, or have a commonplace name, causing a mistaken identity, either. It may take all kinds, but that particular "Kind" We can live better without! I offered this example because it does go to show what can happen. Good thing that MOST normal people will help you get these kind of things straightened out. Fortunately, I don't have much invested in this car, and I can part it out.

"You Can't Have Everything--Where Would You Put It?" ---comedian Steven Wright

DEEPNHOCK
03-08-2008, 05:33 PM
Well, think about your story from a litigious point of view.
Some car you sold decades ago has another owner, who you have never heard of, call you up out of the clear blue sky and starts to ask you questions about your previous ownership of the vehicle.
Man-o-man... I be'd wonderin' what ambualnce chasing lawyer was looking for a case....
I'd deny any knowledge of anything...
Once I had sold it... It was past history to me...
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by wally

Several years ago, i bought a 96 Furd with a bad transaxle from a wreckin' yard. I had been looking at the car for "awhile" before I negotiated a deal, and meantime, several components were sold. It was several weeks before i picked up the title, since the Wrecker needed time to locate it in his files. Well, by then he had screwed it up, by writing his name on it(figuring the car would be crushed, asap) and then my name on it in the blanks on the reverse and it was backdated to when he bought it, rendering it altered & not transferable. I tried to locate the registered owner, to no avail, to get his cooperation in requesting a duplicate. This was following the advice I had gotten from the license bureau, BTW. Well the other day, I check the 2008 edition of the phone book, and the r.o.'s phone number was there, and at the same address as it was on the title on this car! So, I called and left a message. The guy een returned my call, and left a message. He is cooperating, right? Well, when I called his place, he said he knew nothing of that car, never owned one, had no idea why it was in his name. I pointed out that the Title(that I had) and subsequent tag renewal notices would have been sent to his address--how did He account for that? He said he didn't know. This went on for at least ten minutes. He even went so far as to comment that it was illegal for someone to own a car, without transfering the title. What a jerk. The guy was plainly messing with me. This person was not old and senile, or have a commonplace name, causing a mistaken identity, either. It may take all kinds, but that particular "Kind" We can live better without! I offered this example because it does go to show what can happen. Good thing that MOST normal people will help you get these kind of things straightened out. Fortunately, I don't have much invested in this car, and I can part it out.

"You Can't Have Everything--Where Would You Put It?" ---comedian Steven Wright

DEEPNHOCK
03-08-2008, 05:33 PM
Well, think about your story from a litigious point of view.
Some car you sold decades ago has another owner, who you have never heard of, call you up out of the clear blue sky and starts to ask you questions about your previous ownership of the vehicle.
Man-o-man... I be'd wonderin' what ambualnce chasing lawyer was looking for a case....
I'd deny any knowledge of anything...
Once I had sold it... It was past history to me...
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by wally

Several years ago, i bought a 96 Furd with a bad transaxle from a wreckin' yard. I had been looking at the car for "awhile" before I negotiated a deal, and meantime, several components were sold. It was several weeks before i picked up the title, since the Wrecker needed time to locate it in his files. Well, by then he had screwed it up, by writing his name on it(figuring the car would be crushed, asap) and then my name on it in the blanks on the reverse and it was backdated to when he bought it, rendering it altered & not transferable. I tried to locate the registered owner, to no avail, to get his cooperation in requesting a duplicate. This was following the advice I had gotten from the license bureau, BTW. Well the other day, I check the 2008 edition of the phone book, and the r.o.'s phone number was there, and at the same address as it was on the title on this car! So, I called and left a message. The guy een returned my call, and left a message. He is cooperating, right? Well, when I called his place, he said he knew nothing of that car, never owned one, had no idea why it was in his name. I pointed out that the Title(that I had) and subsequent tag renewal notices would have been sent to his address--how did He account for that? He said he didn't know. This went on for at least ten minutes. He even went so far as to comment that it was illegal for someone to own a car, without transfering the title. What a jerk. The guy was plainly messing with me. This person was not old and senile, or have a commonplace name, causing a mistaken identity, either. It may take all kinds, but that particular "Kind" We can live better without! I offered this example because it does go to show what can happen. Good thing that MOST normal people will help you get these kind of things straightened out. Fortunately, I don't have much invested in this car, and I can part it out.

"You Can't Have Everything--Where Would You Put It?" ---comedian Steven Wright

barnlark
03-08-2008, 06:26 PM
Bill,
I think you know where I work on a daily basis. I have had to search out people for many reasons in the course of that job. There are so many reasons why people deny who they are, to whom they are related, and even what they have owned like a Studebaker. My experience has been that there are many squirrley folks out there, plain and simple. I have found people the exact age, the exact spelled name, in the exact city, and the first five SS# the same and had it NOT been who we were looking for at all.. confirmed. Since yours knew the dealer, I doubt he remembers correctly and is probably the right one. How you could forget a car like that is inexcusable to me, though!!! Maybe he only owned it for a very short time, thus the lack of memory. Here's a reach..the dealer used his name and good credit rating to get the car to someone else for a while! Some people sell cars and don't claim the proceeds to the State BMV, or DMV and the IRS. Some have ex wives from whom they are hiding several cars and want to forget them all. The point is, many of us feel violated when someone finds us so easily these days. That could simply be it. By the way, twelve years ago I found the history on my car by just calling 411 in Seligman, Arizona with the last two names on the title. The guy gave me a great story how he blew the engine prematurely by running it flat out on a hot open desert highway and would love a picture when I finished it! Try him again, Bill. Maybe he'll loosen up when he trusts you better, or ask for another relative's memory, or if he still knows someone who worked at the dealership whom may remember that car. Good luck.

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barnlark
03-08-2008, 06:26 PM
Bill,
I think you know where I work on a daily basis. I have had to search out people for many reasons in the course of that job. There are so many reasons why people deny who they are, to whom they are related, and even what they have owned like a Studebaker. My experience has been that there are many squirrley folks out there, plain and simple. I have found people the exact age, the exact spelled name, in the exact city, and the first five SS# the same and had it NOT been who we were looking for at all.. confirmed. Since yours knew the dealer, I doubt he remembers correctly and is probably the right one. How you could forget a car like that is inexcusable to me, though!!! Maybe he only owned it for a very short time, thus the lack of memory. Here's a reach..the dealer used his name and good credit rating to get the car to someone else for a while! Some people sell cars and don't claim the proceeds to the State BMV, or DMV and the IRS. Some have ex wives from whom they are hiding several cars and want to forget them all. The point is, many of us feel violated when someone finds us so easily these days. That could simply be it. By the way, twelve years ago I found the history on my car by just calling 411 in Seligman, Arizona with the last two names on the title. The guy gave me a great story how he blew the engine prematurely by running it flat out on a hot open desert highway and would love a picture when I finished it! Try him again, Bill. Maybe he'll loosen up when he trusts you better, or ask for another relative's memory, or if he still knows someone who worked at the dealership whom may remember that car. Good luck.

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nels
03-08-2008, 08:02 PM
Bill,
There are two sets of records that record the original owner. The one you probably looked at is a simple punch card. If you go to the dealer files. filed by dealer # and month of sale, you will find the buyers name, address, trade in and employment at the time. The info will probably be the same but you can check the other cars sold by that dealer that month. If it was a typical small town dealer, they probably sold two or three cars. If there was a mix up, you might call or contact the other Stude purchasers for that month. I long shot but it might pay off.

nels
03-08-2008, 08:02 PM
Bill,
There are two sets of records that record the original owner. The one you probably looked at is a simple punch card. If you go to the dealer files. filed by dealer # and month of sale, you will find the buyers name, address, trade in and employment at the time. The info will probably be the same but you can check the other cars sold by that dealer that month. If it was a typical small town dealer, they probably sold two or three cars. If there was a mix up, you might call or contact the other Stude purchasers for that month. I long shot but it might pay off.

Retired
03-08-2008, 09:44 PM
My experience with the former owners (7) of a '42 Commander Skyway I restored was very gratifying as all, but two responded to my letters. Two, provided photographs of the car when they owned it. The second owner sent me the original selling dealer's shop work order when a replacement motor was installed for the original owner. Also I telephoned the original owner of my 63 Avanti which resulted in a request for a current photograph of the car and a pleasent conversation.

Retired
03-08-2008, 09:44 PM
My experience with the former owners (7) of a '42 Commander Skyway I restored was very gratifying as all, but two responded to my letters. Two, provided photographs of the car when they owned it. The second owner sent me the original selling dealer's shop work order when a replacement motor was installed for the original owner. Also I telephoned the original owner of my 63 Avanti which resulted in a request for a current photograph of the car and a pleasent conversation.

loc8tor
03-08-2008, 10:44 PM
2 stories, I actually sold a Shelby Charger to a guy after having had it less than a week, while I was awaiting the title to be transfered.....the guy paid for and picked up the car, a few weeks later I called and got no answer, so I called the other number I had for him, a friend of his answered the phone and said that he switched tags from his wrecked charger and was caught speeding.....police impounded the car, I still have the title, guy never has contacted me, not sure what happened to the Shelby.

I bought my GTO back in the 90s, I contacted the owner after I had replaced the interior and painted the car, he said he would like to see it but feared hed have a bad case of the I WANT MEs, and declined.....I later ran into him at Lowes...and took the car by, he said it looked good and was glad I had gotten it, hard to tell what would have happened to it if someone else bought it.....

Havent tried to track down the past owners of any of the Hawks yet

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????

loc8tor
03-08-2008, 10:44 PM
2 stories, I actually sold a Shelby Charger to a guy after having had it less than a week, while I was awaiting the title to be transfered.....the guy paid for and picked up the car, a few weeks later I called and got no answer, so I called the other number I had for him, a friend of his answered the phone and said that he switched tags from his wrecked charger and was caught speeding.....police impounded the car, I still have the title, guy never has contacted me, not sure what happened to the Shelby.

I bought my GTO back in the 90s, I contacted the owner after I had replaced the interior and painted the car, he said he would like to see it but feared hed have a bad case of the I WANT MEs, and declined.....I later ran into him at Lowes...and took the car by, he said it looked good and was glad I had gotten it, hard to tell what would have happened to it if someone else bought it.....

Havent tried to track down the past owners of any of the Hawks yet

hmmm, my girlfriend has 2 GT Hawks....and I feel left out, wheres my "R" model Daytona????

Bill Pressler
03-09-2008, 05:51 AM
Dave (Barnlark) and Nels, I think I will send the fellow a quick thank-you follow-up note, asking if he perhaps bought another Studebaker around that time and/or knows anybody who knew much about the dealership so I could ask if they might remember that unusual (and desirable) car.

Nels, you are right about the retail sales records at the SNM. The card I have is the simple punchcard. The other cards, with buyer info handwritten on them, begin in Sept. '63 but this car wasn't delivered until 2/28/64, so the museum should have it. I wish I had thought about this when I was at the museum, but will probably request this info at some near point in the future.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
03-09-2008, 05:51 AM
Dave (Barnlark) and Nels, I think I will send the fellow a quick thank-you follow-up note, asking if he perhaps bought another Studebaker around that time and/or knows anybody who knew much about the dealership so I could ask if they might remember that unusual (and desirable) car.

Nels, you are right about the retail sales records at the SNM. The card I have is the simple punchcard. The other cards, with buyer info handwritten on them, begin in Sept. '63 but this car wasn't delivered until 2/28/64, so the museum should have it. I wish I had thought about this when I was at the museum, but will probably request this info at some near point in the future.

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

nels
03-09-2008, 06:40 PM
Bill,
I think Andy Petris did a lot of research on this particular car. He came up short also.

nels
03-09-2008, 06:40 PM
Bill,
I think Andy Petris did a lot of research on this particular car. He came up short also.

Bill Pressler
03-09-2008, 07:00 PM
Is Andy still in the hobby? I haven't seen him or heard anything about him in quite a while. Now that I think about it, I do remember him telling me one time several years back that he was able to locate names of original owners of R-powered cars. Probably within a year of hearing that, the fellow in my hometown who owned R2 Super Package '64 Cruiser 64V-14402 told me that someone called him after seeing his name in the Studebaker Museum. I figured it was Andy. The caller couldn't believe he lived at the exact same address as on the Retail Sales Card at the SNM archives, after all those years!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1


quote:Originally posted by nels

Bill,
I think Andy Petris did a lot of research on this particular car. He came up short also.

Bill Pressler
03-09-2008, 07:00 PM
Is Andy still in the hobby? I haven't seen him or heard anything about him in quite a while. Now that I think about it, I do remember him telling me one time several years back that he was able to locate names of original owners of R-powered cars. Probably within a year of hearing that, the fellow in my hometown who owned R2 Super Package '64 Cruiser 64V-14402 told me that someone called him after seeing his name in the Studebaker Museum. I figured it was Andy. The caller couldn't believe he lived at the exact same address as on the Retail Sales Card at the SNM archives, after all those years!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1


quote:Originally posted by nels

Bill,
I think Andy Petris did a lot of research on this particular car. He came up short also.

ChampTrucking
03-10-2008, 06:55 AM
Hey guys,Andy is still around.He has had a change of employment,and is very busy with the job,and working many hours.He is still into Studebakers,just at a lower level of intensity for now.

ChampTrucking
03-10-2008, 06:55 AM
Hey guys,Andy is still around.He has had a change of employment,and is very busy with the job,and working many hours.He is still into Studebakers,just at a lower level of intensity for now.

nels
03-10-2008, 04:29 PM
Andy is still around. I talked with him the other day.

nels
03-10-2008, 04:29 PM
Andy is still around. I talked with him the other day.