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Daan
03-07-2008, 09:20 PM
Specifically, where is it? A coworker and I were messing around on Google Maps a little bit ago (gotta love working nites when the boss is gone...) We were looking all over for it, and I couldn't find it. It IS still there, right?

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

rockne10
03-07-2008, 09:23 PM
Been addressed here before, if someone can locate the thread.

rockne10
03-07-2008, 09:23 PM
Been addressed here before, if someone can locate the thread.

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 09:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Daan

Specifically, where is it? A coworker and I were messing around on Google Maps a little bit ago (gotta love working nites when the boss is gone...) We were looking all over for it, and I couldn't find it. It IS still there, right?

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/


:) Oh, the tree sign is very much still there and still easily readable from 'most any aerial shot. It is quite a bit west of South Bend on Indiana State Road 2, however, so if you are just Google-mapping South Bend, IN, you won't find it.

Rather, Google-Map New Carlisle IN. Then look south and a little east of New Carlisle along an easily-identified 4-lane highway. That is State Road 2. Look along the south side of State Road 2 for The Proving Ground. In addition to the tree sign, you'll be able to easily see the High-Speed Oval and other Proving Ground features. [8D]BP

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 09:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by Daan

Specifically, where is it? A coworker and I were messing around on Google Maps a little bit ago (gotta love working nites when the boss is gone...) We were looking all over for it, and I couldn't find it. It IS still there, right?

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/


:) Oh, the tree sign is very much still there and still easily readable from 'most any aerial shot. It is quite a bit west of South Bend on Indiana State Road 2, however, so if you are just Google-mapping South Bend, IN, you won't find it.

Rather, Google-Map New Carlisle IN. Then look south and a little east of New Carlisle along an easily-identified 4-lane highway. That is State Road 2. Look along the south side of State Road 2 for The Proving Ground. In addition to the tree sign, you'll be able to easily see the High-Speed Oval and other Proving Ground features. [8D]BP

Gary1953
03-07-2008, 09:53 PM
I just checked Google earth. Type in Bendix Woods county park and it should go straight ot the club house. The map had a blue marker on it. When you click on the blue marker you will see a few paragraphs about the Proving Ground in a new window.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/100_2151.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Gary1953
03-07-2008, 09:53 PM
I just checked Google earth. Type in Bendix Woods county park and it should go straight ot the club house. The map had a blue marker on it. When you click on the blue marker you will see a few paragraphs about the Proving Ground in a new window.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/100_2151.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Daan
03-07-2008, 09:53 PM
Thank you very much! Very cool.
I remember seeing in an old TW about someone taking pix of the old projects that were "stored" (dumped) there by Studebaker. I was kinda hoping those could be seen from the satellite pix, but I suppose all that was hauled away years ago.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

Daan
03-07-2008, 09:53 PM
Thank you very much! Very cool.
I remember seeing in an old TW about someone taking pix of the old projects that were "stored" (dumped) there by Studebaker. I was kinda hoping those could be seen from the satellite pix, but I suppose all that was hauled away years ago.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

mbstude
03-07-2008, 10:09 PM
Actually.... ;)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1351/833356296_0d1324e5f1.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/833356310_6798b27b6c.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364/833356316_0abff4c646.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1152/833356326_94d50c886b.jpg?v%200

You just gotta know where to look. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

mbstude
03-07-2008, 10:09 PM
Actually.... ;)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1351/833356296_0d1324e5f1.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/833356310_6798b27b6c.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1364/833356316_0abff4c646.jpg?v%200

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1152/833356326_94d50c886b.jpg?v%200

You just gotta know where to look. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

Daan
03-07-2008, 10:38 PM
Is that from the "real" Google Map thing (the one you have to pay for), or the regular one? Maybe I need some glasses or something.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

Daan
03-07-2008, 10:38 PM
Is that from the "real" Google Map thing (the one you have to pay for), or the regular one? Maybe I need some glasses or something.

http://s69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/DansStudes/

mbstude
03-07-2008, 10:43 PM
That's from Google Earth, but the same thing can be seen from Google Maps too. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

mbstude
03-07-2008, 10:43 PM
That's from Google Earth, but the same thing can be seen from Google Maps too. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

Randy_G
03-07-2008, 11:26 PM
Ok clearly I can't see the forest for all the tree's, what is it we are looking at? If you ment the tree's that spell Studebaker, they are in Matthews top picture top left corner.. Bottom three pictures.... you lost me.

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg

Randy_G
03-07-2008, 11:26 PM
Ok clearly I can't see the forest for all the tree's, what is it we are looking at? If you ment the tree's that spell Studebaker, they are in Matthews top picture top left corner.. Bottom three pictures.... you lost me.

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg

Gary1953
03-08-2008, 05:23 AM
The junk cars on the infield of the track can be seen between the trees.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/100_2151.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

Gary1953
03-08-2008, 05:23 AM
The junk cars on the infield of the track can be seen between the trees.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l269/gsandes50/100_2151.jpg
Gary Sanders
Nixa, MO
President Toy Studebaker Collectors Club. Have an interest in Toy Studebakers? Contact me for details.

bonehead007
03-08-2008, 07:04 AM
Un regard to the "junk" cars that are there, did anyone ever try to remove them and save what was left ?

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

bonehead007
03-08-2008, 07:04 AM
Un regard to the "junk" cars that are there, did anyone ever try to remove them and save what was left ?

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

mbstude
03-08-2008, 08:04 AM
The cars were beyond saving 20 years ago, according to Bob Palma's TW article, where he snuck in and got pictures of them all. They were put there without any frames; just beat up shells. If you tried to remove any of them now, if you could get to them, you might walk out with some rusted metal chunks maybe... [V]

Looking at that article however, a couple of the body tags have survived. [:o)]

The two '47 Champion station wagons were pulled out and restored, however. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

mbstude
03-08-2008, 08:04 AM
The cars were beyond saving 20 years ago, according to Bob Palma's TW article, where he snuck in and got pictures of them all. They were put there without any frames; just beat up shells. If you tried to remove any of them now, if you could get to them, you might walk out with some rusted metal chunks maybe... [V]

Looking at that article however, a couple of the body tags have survived. [:o)]

The two '47 Champion station wagons were pulled out and restored, however. :)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

8E45E
03-08-2008, 08:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by Gary1953

I just checked Google earth. Type in Bendix Woods county park and it should go straight ot the club house.


Here is the Club House.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2318765182_5500e0139f_b.jpg

And the 'gourmet kitchen', still originally from Studebaker days.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2166/2318766298_50a63202f6_b.jpg

And the Egberts must have loved their ensuite bathroom, built at company expense!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2317957223_81155fd75b_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
03-08-2008, 08:26 AM
quote:Originally posted by Gary1953

I just checked Google earth. Type in Bendix Woods county park and it should go straight ot the club house.


Here is the Club House.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2041/2318765182_5500e0139f_b.jpg

And the 'gourmet kitchen', still originally from Studebaker days.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2166/2318766298_50a63202f6_b.jpg

And the Egberts must have loved their ensuite bathroom, built at company expense!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3245/2317957223_81155fd75b_b.jpg

Craig

comatus
03-08-2008, 05:31 PM
Our crazy buggers found out one of those tree-through-it prototypes was the only factory woodie. They brazed it together in situ, gentled it out, and it's on the Museum floor now, like new. Nothing's impossible.

Call Fram and tell them to lock the gates. Matthew's got their number. It's like Bob Palma being 18 again...nothing's safe.

comatus
03-08-2008, 05:31 PM
Our crazy buggers found out one of those tree-through-it prototypes was the only factory woodie. They brazed it together in situ, gentled it out, and it's on the Museum floor now, like new. Nothing's impossible.

Call Fram and tell them to lock the gates. Matthew's got their number. It's like Bob Palma being 18 again...nothing's safe.

BobPalma
03-08-2008, 08:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

The cars were beyond saving 20 years ago, according to Bob Palma's TW article, where he snuck in and got pictures of them all. They were put there without any frames; just beat up shells. If you tried to remove any of them now, if you could get to them, you might walk out with some rusted metal chunks maybe... [V]

Looking at that article however, a couple of the body tags have survived. [:o)]

The two '47 Champion station wagons were pulled out and restored, however. :)

[b]Matthew Burnette


;) Just a slight correction, Matthew: [u]That</u> particular time, I was on the property with the full knowledge and permission of the owners [:0] (Bendix). Bendix on-site folks actually guided us, myself and life-long South-Bend Studebaker friend Don Galeziewski (Gale ZESS key), to the area.

Our escort told us to mark our trail on the way in and pay attention or we would get lost and disoriented once we were in there...and he was right! I have an excellent sense of direction, but found myself needing to confirm my bearings periodically while in there to avoid getting lost, because the woods around the site are so dense.

Tragically, I got home and discovered I had made some incorrect settings on my camera and almost all the photos shot that day were no good! Ugh; that's a good 150 miles from home! I had to beg permission to drive back to South Bend and be permitted a second day at the site to retake the photos, which became most of the ones you see in that Turning Wheels article.

We go through this here on the forum about once a year, so it bears repeating for any newbies: There are no complete cars in there; only bodies with no chassis under them (OK, for the most part; there might be an occasional chassis, but few, if any.)

These vehicles were rusted hulks 35 years ago, and the additional time exposed to that environment hasn't improved any of them.

If I could pick or recommend one of significant historical value worth trying to save, it would be to try to gingerly remove the damaged, stillborn 1952 Model N shell. But I'll bet it is so fragile by now it might "poof" into a brown ball of rust if any attempt was made to extract it...and a chain-saw brigade would be required to clear at least a 1/4-mile path from the site to the nearest clearing that would accommodate a trailer or anything capable of carrying what was brought out. [:0]

(However, I suspect we could accumulate a goodly group of volunteers with chain saws from here on the forum if the call went out!) :D BP

BobPalma
03-08-2008, 08:01 PM
quote:Originally posted by mbstude

The cars were beyond saving 20 years ago, according to Bob Palma's TW article, where he snuck in and got pictures of them all. They were put there without any frames; just beat up shells. If you tried to remove any of them now, if you could get to them, you might walk out with some rusted metal chunks maybe... [V]

Looking at that article however, a couple of the body tags have survived. [:o)]

The two '47 Champion station wagons were pulled out and restored, however. :)

[b]Matthew Burnette


;) Just a slight correction, Matthew: [u]That</u> particular time, I was on the property with the full knowledge and permission of the owners [:0] (Bendix). Bendix on-site folks actually guided us, myself and life-long South-Bend Studebaker friend Don Galeziewski (Gale ZESS key), to the area.

Our escort told us to mark our trail on the way in and pay attention or we would get lost and disoriented once we were in there...and he was right! I have an excellent sense of direction, but found myself needing to confirm my bearings periodically while in there to avoid getting lost, because the woods around the site are so dense.

Tragically, I got home and discovered I had made some incorrect settings on my camera and almost all the photos shot that day were no good! Ugh; that's a good 150 miles from home! I had to beg permission to drive back to South Bend and be permitted a second day at the site to retake the photos, which became most of the ones you see in that Turning Wheels article.

We go through this here on the forum about once a year, so it bears repeating for any newbies: There are no complete cars in there; only bodies with no chassis under them (OK, for the most part; there might be an occasional chassis, but few, if any.)

These vehicles were rusted hulks 35 years ago, and the additional time exposed to that environment hasn't improved any of them.

If I could pick or recommend one of significant historical value worth trying to save, it would be to try to gingerly remove the damaged, stillborn 1952 Model N shell. But I'll bet it is so fragile by now it might "poof" into a brown ball of rust if any attempt was made to extract it...and a chain-saw brigade would be required to clear at least a 1/4-mile path from the site to the nearest clearing that would accommodate a trailer or anything capable of carrying what was brought out. [:0]

(However, I suspect we could accumulate a goodly group of volunteers with chain saws from here on the forum if the call went out!) :D BP

clarkwd
03-09-2008, 10:16 AM
re: chainsaw brigade

I'm in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7qjZ3yu3Yg
Bill

clarkwd
03-09-2008, 10:16 AM
re: chainsaw brigade

I'm in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7qjZ3yu3Yg
Bill

monomaniac
03-09-2008, 10:20 AM
Bob, I was led to believe that the Model N is in the possession of Brad Kuchan, waiting to be restored.

monomaniac
03-09-2008, 10:20 AM
Bob, I was led to believe that the Model N is in the possession of Brad Kuchan, waiting to be restored.

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 02:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

Bob, I was led to believe that the Model N is in the possession of Brad Kuchan, waiting to be restored.


[:0] 'Could well be, Art; I hope so.
Perhaps Dick Quinn will chime in and confirm.
That would be good news...and knowing how they got it out of there in even remotely one piece would be a good Turning Wheels story! :DBP

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 02:54 PM
quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

Bob, I was led to believe that the Model N is in the possession of Brad Kuchan, waiting to be restored.


[:0] 'Could well be, Art; I hope so.
Perhaps Dick Quinn will chime in and confirm.
That would be good news...and knowing how they got it out of there in even remotely one piece would be a good Turning Wheels story! :DBP

Randy_G
03-09-2008, 06:29 PM
Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg

Randy_G
03-09-2008, 06:29 PM
Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg

61LaRk4dr
03-09-2008, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg



I am with you, as I would be interested in seeing pictures of what those rusted vehicles were exactly, since I didn't even know they existed in those trees.

61LaRk4dr
03-09-2008, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg



I am with you, as I would be interested in seeing pictures of what those rusted vehicles were exactly, since I didn't even know they existed in those trees.

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 07:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg



:) Randy: I'd be happy to IF I knew where they were and IF I had a scanner to post things, but I don't know where they are and don't have scanning capabilities yet.

'Best I can do is to tell you the articles were in the July 1991 and August 1991 editions of Turning Wheels. Chances are excellent that if you post here, someone will sell you an extra copy of either or both. [8D] BP

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 07:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Randy_G

Bob for those of us that are Newbies in a sense in that we don't have a stock pile of TW's from twenty years ago. Any chance of you posting the photo's you took that day?

Randy_G
1959 Lark Sedan
www.AutomotiveHistoryOnline.com
http://www.automotivehistoryonline.com/emtr.jpg



:) Randy: I'd be happy to IF I knew where they were and IF I had a scanner to post things, but I don't know where they are and don't have scanning capabilities yet.

'Best I can do is to tell you the articles were in the July 1991 and August 1991 editions of Turning Wheels. Chances are excellent that if you post here, someone will sell you an extra copy of either or both. [8D] BP

8E45E
03-09-2008, 07:55 PM
Hmmm...Maybe Bob can post them in LIVING COLOR, instead of scanning the b&w article in TW!![8D]


...WHEN you find the photos, and WHEN you buy a scanner![B)]

Craig

8E45E
03-09-2008, 07:55 PM
Hmmm...Maybe Bob can post them in LIVING COLOR, instead of scanning the b&w article in TW!![8D]


...WHEN you find the photos, and WHEN you buy a scanner![B)]

Craig

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 07:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E





I am with you, as I would be interested in seeing pictures of what those rusted vehicles were exactly, since I didn't even know they existed in those trees.
[/quote]

Hmmm...Maybe Bob can post them in LIVING COLOR, instead of scanning the b&w article in TW!![8D]

Craig
[/quote]

:) Craig: I'll have to check, but it seems to me that I intentionally took those pictures in black & white because I knew they were being taken for publication, and would reproduce better if originally in b&w. (If I were as organized as Leonard Shepherd, I could whip around in my office without leaving my chair and put my hands right on them, but as it is....:(.) :D BP

BobPalma
03-09-2008, 07:57 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E





I am with you, as I would be interested in seeing pictures of what those rusted vehicles were exactly, since I didn't even know they existed in those trees.
[/quote]

Hmmm...Maybe Bob can post them in LIVING COLOR, instead of scanning the b&w article in TW!![8D]

Craig
[/quote]

:) Craig: I'll have to check, but it seems to me that I intentionally took those pictures in black & white because I knew they were being taken for publication, and would reproduce better if originally in b&w. (If I were as organized as Leonard Shepherd, I could whip around in my office without leaving my chair and put my hands right on them, but as it is....:(.) :D BP