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Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 08:36 PM
A member sent me this picture...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/HAWK.jpg

What year and model is it?



http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

StudeMichael
03-06-2008, 08:38 PM
1958 Golden Hawk

1957 Packard Clipper
1958 Golden Hawk
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

StudeMichael
03-06-2008, 08:38 PM
1958 Golden Hawk

1957 Packard Clipper
1958 Golden Hawk
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

StudeMichael
03-06-2008, 08:40 PM
It does have an incorrect hood for a 1958 model but looks like one otherwise.

1957 Packard Clipper
1958 Golden Hawk
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

StudeMichael
03-06-2008, 08:40 PM
It does have an incorrect hood for a 1958 model but looks like one otherwise.

1957 Packard Clipper
1958 Golden Hawk
1963 Daytona Convertible
1963 R2 Daytona
1963 R2 GT Hawk
1963 R1 Wagonaire
1963 R4 Avanti
1964 Champ
1966 Cruiser

lstude
03-06-2008, 08:52 PM
The hood looks like a 58 Silver Hawk to me and it also has 58 wheel covers with 14" wheels.

It has the Silver Hawk beltline molding, but it could be one of the export models that came that way.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
03-06-2008, 08:52 PM
The hood looks like a 58 Silver Hawk to me and it also has 58 wheel covers with 14" wheels.

It has the Silver Hawk beltline molding, but it could be one of the export models that came that way.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

buddymander
03-06-2008, 08:55 PM
1966 Dodge Dart...

buddymander
03-06-2008, 08:55 PM
1966 Dodge Dart...

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 08:59 PM
It also could be a 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop.
What country is it in?

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 08:59 PM
It also could be a 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop.
What country is it in?

62champ
03-06-2008, 09:00 PM
My vote is for an export (Canada possibly) '58 Silver Hawk - and am I correct in mentioning it is not domestic because SH hardtops were export only?

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

62champ
03-06-2008, 09:00 PM
My vote is for an export (Canada possibly) '58 Silver Hawk - and am I correct in mentioning it is not domestic because SH hardtops were export only?

<div align="left">1960 Lark VI</div id="left"> <div align="right">1962 7E7-122</div id="right">
[img=left]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/8b0ac4c6.jpg[/img=left]
[img=right]http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l163/62champ/car/DSC02237.jpg[/img=right]

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by buddymander

1966 Dodge Dart...


:D



http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by buddymander

1966 Dodge Dart...


:D



http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

It also could be a 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop.
What country is it in?



I believe this member lives in Canada.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:02 PM
quote:Originally posted by monomaniac

It also could be a 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop.
What country is it in?



I believe this member lives in Canada.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

BobPalma
03-06-2008, 09:07 PM
:) It would appear to be a 58B-K3: 1958 259 (hence 58B, not 58H) Silver Hawk. Export for sure; not for U.S. domestic consumption.

The lack of wide stainless trim around the windshield, and no stainless drip rail molding, might be wild cards...or could confirm the K3 designation.

When does the contest end? [}:)] BP

BobPalma
03-06-2008, 09:07 PM
:) It would appear to be a 58B-K3: 1958 259 (hence 58B, not 58H) Silver Hawk. Export for sure; not for U.S. domestic consumption.

The lack of wide stainless trim around the windshield, and no stainless drip rail molding, might be wild cards...or could confirm the K3 designation.

When does the contest end? [}:)] BP

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


When does the contest end? [}:)] BP


Quite frankly, I didn't know what this model was myself. Just trying to help a member ID his find. He isn't able to post pictures.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-06-2008, 09:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by BobPalma


When does the contest end? [}:)] BP


Quite frankly, I didn't know what this model was myself. Just trying to help a member ID his find. He isn't able to post pictures.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

BobPalma
03-06-2008, 09:12 PM
:) Just tell him to look on the under-hood cowl tag, Dick. If he will give you the numbers thereon, identification will be easy. [^] BP

BobPalma
03-06-2008, 09:12 PM
:) Just tell him to look on the under-hood cowl tag, Dick. If he will give you the numbers thereon, identification will be easy. [^] BP

fargoguy
03-06-2008, 09:13 PM
If that car is canadian- then the car beside it is NOT a Dart, but a 65 Plymouth Valiant 200. Judging by the letters on the trunk, it is a plymouth.

Evan Davis
Prairie Bulletin
Saskatchewan Chapter
Prince Albert, Sk
http://www.saskstudebaker.ca/Studebaker.html

fargoguy
03-06-2008, 09:13 PM
If that car is canadian- then the car beside it is NOT a Dart, but a 65 Plymouth Valiant 200. Judging by the letters on the trunk, it is a plymouth.

Evan Davis
Prairie Bulletin
Saskatchewan Chapter
Prince Albert, Sk
http://www.saskstudebaker.ca/Studebaker.html

gord holden
03-06-2008, 09:32 PM
58 Canadian, Silver Hawk Hard Top 259 V/8 ,only 56 made.Art got it right.

gh

gord holden
03-06-2008, 09:32 PM
58 Canadian, Silver Hawk Hard Top 259 V/8 ,only 56 made.Art got it right.

gh

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 09:37 PM
That's right -- only 56 of the 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop were produced. Fairly rare.

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 09:37 PM
That's right -- only 56 of the 1958 Silver Hawk hardtop were produced. Fairly rare.

lstude
03-06-2008, 09:50 PM
There was on at the Spokane Meet, but I'm not sure if it was a 57 or 58. It doesn't have the side grilles and the emblem is wrong on the grille.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/57HawkSpokaneMeet.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
03-06-2008, 09:50 PM
There was on at the Spokane Meet, but I'm not sure if it was a 57 or 58. It doesn't have the side grilles and the emblem is wrong on the grille.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/57HawkSpokaneMeet.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

8E45E
03-06-2008, 10:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

There was on at the Spokane Meet, but I'm not sure if it was a 57 or 58. It doesn't have the side grilles and the emblem is wrong on the grille.


Yes, it belongs to Jeff Gogal from British Columbia. Here's another shot of that same car.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2315279073_7d336b189c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2316088314_c226f0533b_b.jpg

Craig

8E45E
03-06-2008, 10:04 PM
quote:Originally posted by lstude

There was on at the Spokane Meet, but I'm not sure if it was a 57 or 58. It doesn't have the side grilles and the emblem is wrong on the grille.


Yes, it belongs to Jeff Gogal from British Columbia. Here's another shot of that same car.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3268/2315279073_7d336b189c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2316088314_c226f0533b_b.jpg

Craig

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 11:56 PM
That green one is a 57 not totally stock belonging to Geoff Gogle but it's not as rare as a 58 hardtop.

monomaniac
03-06-2008, 11:56 PM
That green one is a 57 not totally stock belonging to Geoff Gogle but it's not as rare as a 58 hardtop.

leroy
03-07-2008, 02:16 AM
What kind of wheels are on Jeff Gogle's car?

leroy

leroy
03-07-2008, 02:16 AM
What kind of wheels are on Jeff Gogle's car?

leroy

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 04:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2316088314_c226f0533b_b.jpg

Craig


:) As I was saying, Dick...[^] the tag on the car in question is probably identical to this tag, but with an 8 in place of the 7. Definitely more rare than a '57. [}:)][:0] :DBP

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 04:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2316088314_c226f0533b_b.jpg

Craig


:) As I was saying, Dick...[^] the tag on the car in question is probably identical to this tag, but with an 8 in place of the 7. Definitely more rare than a '57. [}:)][:0] :DBP

Dick Steinkamp
03-07-2008, 09:05 AM
Thanks, guys.

Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-07-2008, 09:05 AM
Thanks, guys.

Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 09:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Thanks, guys.

Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg



:) Yes.

Art might clarify, but Hamilton production had a sequential number tag that was a separate piece from the model (body type) identification tag. That was because the body tags at Hamilton were sequential regardless of body type, whereas South Bend body tags were sequential within body type. :D BP

BobPalma
03-07-2008, 09:12 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp

Thanks, guys.

Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg



:) Yes.

Art might clarify, but Hamilton production had a sequential number tag that was a separate piece from the model (body type) identification tag. That was because the body tags at Hamilton were sequential regardless of body type, whereas South Bend body tags were sequential within body type. :D BP

jnewkirk77
03-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Leroy, those look like the same style wire wheelcovers as found on a lot of Chevy Caprices from '77 to '96. I can't really tell from the center emblems, but they may be the aftermarket replacements that used to be sold (and may still be) by J.C. Whitney.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
03-07-2008, 10:48 AM
Leroy, those look like the same style wire wheelcovers as found on a lot of Chevy Caprices from '77 to '96. I can't really tell from the center emblems, but they may be the aftermarket replacements that used to be sold (and may still be) by J.C. Whitney.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

Guido
03-07-2008, 11:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.
Most likely it is now part of the collection of body tags that Mr. Biggs has amassed. :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
03-07-2008, 11:23 AM
quote:Originally posted by Dick Steinkamp
Hey, the serial number portion of that body tag on the '57 is missing. I'll bet a lot of those are AWOL since they were a separate little piece of embossed metal.
Most likely it is now part of the collection of body tags that Mr. Biggs has amassed. :D

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

leroy
03-07-2008, 12:39 PM
Thanks Jacob, man I need some new eyes, I thought they were wheels.

leroy

leroy
03-07-2008, 12:39 PM
Thanks Jacob, man I need some new eyes, I thought they were wheels.

leroy

Roscomacaw
03-07-2008, 02:11 PM
Hey buddy..... izzat one them Jag-you-ars???[:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-07-2008, 02:11 PM
Hey buddy..... izzat one them Jag-you-ars???[:I]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe