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bams50
03-05-2008, 10:16 AM
This car was simply gorgeous! I would say it was a high 2 condition, not far from a #1:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08038-1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08039-1.jpg

Talked at length to the owner, Jim Ferner. He bought the car from a dry climate, already really decent, needing cosmetics. He had it painted in the original color, basecoat/clearcoat, an excellent job. When he replaced the interior, he called SASCO. Dennis said I'll have to look. He called him back and said yes, I do have NOS upholstery; but you have to understand this has been laying around all these years and they'll be be a little dirty and probably need to be cleaned. When they arrived they were beautiful! So he had the interior installed by White Post, and the result is stunning!

Here's a couple pics:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08044-1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08043-1.jpg

Here's the window sign:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08042-1.jpg

I don't have any idea about detail correctness, but condition-wise I think it's not far from a show winner. I thought his price was pretty high for a four door, but really I'm not so sure, given the condition and quality of the work. And, who knows what kind of deal one could make- it did say "or best offer"..........

One more note: Got a chuckle out of his license plate frame:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08041-1.jpg

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 10:25 AM
Crap, at first glance that looked like MY old Cruiser. Kinda made my heart jump. I'm gonna bet that crack in the dash pad is right by the speaker:D

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 10:25 AM
Crap, at first glance that looked like MY old Cruiser. Kinda made my heart jump. I'm gonna bet that crack in the dash pad is right by the speaker:D

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

Roscomacaw
03-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Pretty car. I don't think that price is outta reason either, not if you consider what it would take to make a lesser example look like that![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-05-2008, 11:14 AM
Pretty car. I don't think that price is outta reason either, not if you consider what it would take to make a lesser example look like that![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 01:25 PM
I dunno, that's a 4-door. I'll bet you'd be lucky to get north of $6500 even in that condition.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Pretty car. I don't think that price is outta reason either, not if you consider what it would take to make a lesser example look like that![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 01:25 PM
I dunno, that's a 4-door. I'll bet you'd be lucky to get north of $6500 even in that condition.


quote:Originally posted by Mr.Biggs

Pretty car. I don't think that price is outta reason either, not if you consider what it would take to make a lesser example look like that![:0]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe




Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

jackb
03-05-2008, 02:15 PM
I'll agree with Mark on this one...he has some recent experience, and had his on ebay which all agree is "the" marketplace for used cars. I say this while in the process of fixing up a 63' Cruiser. I'll have north of $7K into this car before I'm finished (and I'm just about there)and have little expectation of it nearing that price
if I were to sell it. Now if the owner of that car has had it for 5 years and put 20K miles on it in that condition....now he's got a pretty good deal @ ~$6K........BTW-I looked at this car @ York and it was very finely presented.....

jackb
03-05-2008, 02:15 PM
I'll agree with Mark on this one...he has some recent experience, and had his on ebay which all agree is "the" marketplace for used cars. I say this while in the process of fixing up a 63' Cruiser. I'll have north of $7K into this car before I'm finished (and I'm just about there)and have little expectation of it nearing that price
if I were to sell it. Now if the owner of that car has had it for 5 years and put 20K miles on it in that condition....now he's got a pretty good deal @ ~$6K........BTW-I looked at this car @ York and it was very finely presented.....

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
I like the rare late '64 "DISHED" headlight doors! very nice, and so is the whole car! [^][:p]

You could not buy a new 2008 that would serve you as well, and cost as little in the long run for repairs, insurance, license, maintenance etc. as this Cruiser. [:0]

Not to mention $10-20,000.00 right off the bat![:0]

I don't think the savings on fuel would equal the cost of the rest of the expenses on a new one. [V]

Unfortunately though, you can not live in a "car eating" State like Bams50 does!

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
I like the rare late '64 "DISHED" headlight doors! very nice, and so is the whole car! [^][:p]

You could not buy a new 2008 that would serve you as well, and cost as little in the long run for repairs, insurance, license, maintenance etc. as this Cruiser. [:0]

Not to mention $10-20,000.00 right off the bat![:0]

I don't think the savings on fuel would equal the cost of the rest of the expenses on a new one. [V]

Unfortunately though, you can not live in a "car eating" State like Bams50 does!

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

Mark57
03-05-2008, 03:59 PM
I agree that it is unlikely to fetch $10K, but it should! ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Mark57
03-05-2008, 03:59 PM
I agree that it is unlikely to fetch $10K, but it should! ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

bams50
03-05-2008, 04:07 PM
I didn't look it over with an eye to shows, but I only saw a few things it needed- dash pad (cracked by speaker as usual); radio fixed; and Jim said door panels dyed, but couldn't see anything wrong with them myself. Also, the paint is absolutely stunning, but I've never seen that much metallic in Stude paint; probably from being clearcoated. Not sure if that would cost points at a show. I wonder what this car would score at an International Meet with a new dash pad...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 04:07 PM
I didn't look it over with an eye to shows, but I only saw a few things it needed- dash pad (cracked by speaker as usual); radio fixed; and Jim said door panels dyed, but couldn't see anything wrong with them myself. Also, the paint is absolutely stunning, but I've never seen that much metallic in Stude paint; probably from being clearcoated. Not sure if that would cost points at a show. I wonder what this car would score at an International Meet with a new dash pad...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Rerun
03-05-2008, 04:24 PM
quote: I like the rare late '64 "DISHED" headlight doors! very nice, and so is the whole car!

Ok, I'll bite... What is a "DISHED" headlight door? How does it differ from any other '64 headlight door?


Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/bradley71771/Rerun.jpg

Rerun
03-05-2008, 04:24 PM
quote: I like the rare late '64 "DISHED" headlight doors! very nice, and so is the whole car!

Ok, I'll bite... What is a "DISHED" headlight door? How does it differ from any other '64 headlight door?


Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/bradley71771/Rerun.jpg

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 04:44 PM
You can see the difference between the dished and non-dished here:

Here's the 64 (dished):

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08038-1.jpg

Here's my 65 (non-dished) (note battery hold-down):D:

http://www.65cruiser.com/show/show4.JPG

Look at the corner of the headlight door. On the dished ones there's a curve and the line of the angle is not well defined.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-05-2008, 04:44 PM
You can see the difference between the dished and non-dished here:

Here's the 64 (dished):

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08038-1.jpg

Here's my 65 (non-dished) (note battery hold-down):D:

http://www.65cruiser.com/show/show4.JPG

Look at the corner of the headlight door. On the dished ones there's a curve and the line of the angle is not well defined.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 05:08 PM
You're a '64 owner and you've never noticed the very few cars that have the 1360248 & 249 (Dished inboard lower corners) head light rims? [:0]I am shocked! [:0]

The much more common, and only ones available for years, type Rims are the 1356202 & 203 that were used before USA: 64S9,637, & 64V10,946. And Canada: SC1,788 and VC1,635. They have a sharp crease going from the outboard side all the way to the inboard side, at the back of the lower "shelf", the "rare ones" do not, they are "dished" in the corner![^]

If the parts book is correct, that would mean that all of the 2nd. series Canadian imports would also have had the "cool" ones, since the C100 and C500 Canadian serial numbers are not mentioned.
The non-dished ones 1356202 & 3 for some reason, came back again in 1965, maybe over supply. [:0]


quote:Originally posted by Rerun

Ok, I'll bite... What is a "DISHED" headlight door? How does it differ from any other '64 headlight door?

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 05:08 PM
You're a '64 owner and you've never noticed the very few cars that have the 1360248 & 249 (Dished inboard lower corners) head light rims? [:0]I am shocked! [:0]

The much more common, and only ones available for years, type Rims are the 1356202 & 203 that were used before USA: 64S9,637, & 64V10,946. And Canada: SC1,788 and VC1,635. They have a sharp crease going from the outboard side all the way to the inboard side, at the back of the lower "shelf", the "rare ones" do not, they are "dished" in the corner![^]

If the parts book is correct, that would mean that all of the 2nd. series Canadian imports would also have had the "cool" ones, since the C100 and C500 Canadian serial numbers are not mentioned.
The non-dished ones 1356202 & 3 for some reason, came back again in 1965, maybe over supply. [:0]


quote:Originally posted by Rerun

Ok, I'll bite... What is a "DISHED" headlight door? How does it differ from any other '64 headlight door?

StudeRich -Studebakers Northwest Ferndale, WA

Dick Steinkamp
03-05-2008, 07:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

This car was simply gorgeous! I would say it was a high 2 condition, not far from a #1:



I agree that it is gorgeous, but I'd call it a 3 headed to a 2. I'm not sure I've ever seen a #1 car outside of Pebble Beach or the Grand National Roadster Show.

http://www.firsttraderegistry.com/old_cars_price_guide.htm

BTW, the OCPG lists a #3 at $6390 and a #2 at $9940.



http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
03-05-2008, 07:39 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

This car was simply gorgeous! I would say it was a high 2 condition, not far from a #1:



I agree that it is gorgeous, but I'd call it a 3 headed to a 2. I'm not sure I've ever seen a #1 car outside of Pebble Beach or the Grand National Roadster Show.

http://www.firsttraderegistry.com/old_cars_price_guide.htm

BTW, the OCPG lists a #3 at $6390 and a #2 at $9940.



http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s66/ddstnkmp/54%20starlight/HiResS2Dsig2.jpg

Rerun
03-05-2008, 07:40 PM
quote:You're a '64 owner and you've never noticed the very few cars that have the 1360248 & 249 (Dished inboard lower corners) head light rims? I am shocked!

And all these years I thought that the later rims looked that way because the stamping dies were worn out by then! Call me crazy, but I like the non-dished rims better:D

Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/bradley71771/Rerun.jpg

Rerun
03-05-2008, 07:40 PM
quote:You're a '64 owner and you've never noticed the very few cars that have the 1360248 & 249 (Dished inboard lower corners) head light rims? I am shocked!

And all these years I thought that the later rims looked that way because the stamping dies were worn out by then! Call me crazy, but I like the non-dished rims better:D

Jim Bradley
Lewistown PA
'64 Daytona HT "Rerun"
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd35/bradley71771/Rerun.jpg

JDP
03-05-2008, 07:44 PM
I suffer from the retail mentality. I walked over to that Cruiser thinking "if I can buy this thing for 4K, it might bring a quick, but small profit on ebay." Now, looking at the pictures, it is a stunning car, but not the sort of car that would bring 10K on ebay. It's so nice, you'd have to see it in person and want the very best and be willing to pay for it.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-05-2008, 07:44 PM
I suffer from the retail mentality. I walked over to that Cruiser thinking "if I can buy this thing for 4K, it might bring a quick, but small profit on ebay." Now, looking at the pictures, it is a stunning car, but not the sort of car that would bring 10K on ebay. It's so nice, you'd have to see it in person and want the very best and be willing to pay for it.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

stephen cade
03-05-2008, 09:09 PM
I never realized there were two headlight bezels. I sold a 64 several years ago for 6500. and it wasn't authentic or as nice as the description of the one above.
Personally, and I've driven them all, and I'd rather drive a Cruiser than any Hawk, at least as a daily driver. As far as price, compare it to readily available new cars and it's nothing.
We have far more than 10K in a number of four door Studebakers, but when the dust settles on a true restoration, they're all losers. If you're into Studebakers as a part of history, don't you want them all represented.
I used to think a real car had to be a two door with standard transmission. I reckon age, aches and pains changed that. Restore that sedan. You'll like it. Stephen

Stephen Cade

stephen cade
03-05-2008, 09:09 PM
I never realized there were two headlight bezels. I sold a 64 several years ago for 6500. and it wasn't authentic or as nice as the description of the one above.
Personally, and I've driven them all, and I'd rather drive a Cruiser than any Hawk, at least as a daily driver. As far as price, compare it to readily available new cars and it's nothing.
We have far more than 10K in a number of four door Studebakers, but when the dust settles on a true restoration, they're all losers. If you're into Studebakers as a part of history, don't you want them all represented.
I used to think a real car had to be a two door with standard transmission. I reckon age, aches and pains changed that. Restore that sedan. You'll like it. Stephen

Stephen Cade

bams50
03-05-2008, 09:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

not the sort of car that would bring 10K on ebay. you'd have to see it in person and want the very best and be willing to pay for it.



I think that describes it perfectly.

When I said #2 I was making a guess at point total; note I said GUESS, as I have no experience in judging. I was trying to convey that I thought it was a dash pad and a few minor touches from a 400 point car!

I will add that I didn't look underneath, nor do I know what the details under the hood should look like. Somehow I didn't post the engine picture I took, so here it is:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08045-1.jpg

Of course the carb and air cleaner, and the plug wires and coil are wrong... and the battery hold-down[:0] But those are among the few minor touches I was referring to.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 09:45 PM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

not the sort of car that would bring 10K on ebay. you'd have to see it in person and want the very best and be willing to pay for it.



I think that describes it perfectly.

When I said #2 I was making a guess at point total; note I said GUESS, as I have no experience in judging. I was trying to convey that I thought it was a dash pad and a few minor touches from a 400 point car!

I will add that I didn't look underneath, nor do I know what the details under the hood should look like. Somehow I didn't post the engine picture I took, so here it is:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08045-1.jpg

Of course the carb and air cleaner, and the plug wires and coil are wrong... and the battery hold-down[:0] But those are among the few minor touches I was referring to.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 10:17 PM
I don't want you to cry too hard Mark A., but you know your "X" Cruiser puts this nice '64's engine compartment to shame, [:0]you can see it was all freshly painted![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-05-2008, 10:17 PM
I don't want you to cry too hard Mark A., but you know your "X" Cruiser puts this nice '64's engine compartment to shame, [:0]you can see it was all freshly painted![^]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

JDP
03-06-2008, 12:16 AM
Without detailing, it would get maybe a 3rd at the International. I could deduct maybe 20 points under hood alone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-06-2008, 12:16 AM
Without detailing, it would get maybe a 3rd at the International. I could deduct maybe 20 points under hood alone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

Johnnywiffer
03-06-2008, 08:34 AM
In Sacramento, a few years back, was a very similar Daytona with a Cruiser interior, for $7500. Same accessories. Just as nice paint. No cracked dash. It was just plain BEAUTIFUL--like this one!

I talked to the owner who said, "It's not gonna sell because it has 2 too many doors. No one's gonna buy it when they can get a pretty nice Hawk for the same or less."

I would have. Didn't have the loot. I guess I'm just a sucker for a nice 4-door. Hawks are nice but if you wanna take some friends, the Cruiser or Daytona is nicer. And where can you get a "new" car for $7500 (or $10,500 for that matter)?

John

Johnnywiffer
03-06-2008, 08:34 AM
In Sacramento, a few years back, was a very similar Daytona with a Cruiser interior, for $7500. Same accessories. Just as nice paint. No cracked dash. It was just plain BEAUTIFUL--like this one!

I talked to the owner who said, "It's not gonna sell because it has 2 too many doors. No one's gonna buy it when they can get a pretty nice Hawk for the same or less."

I would have. Didn't have the loot. I guess I'm just a sucker for a nice 4-door. Hawks are nice but if you wanna take some friends, the Cruiser or Daytona is nicer. And where can you get a "new" car for $7500 (or $10,500 for that matter)?

John

65cruiser
03-06-2008, 08:48 AM
Where were you when I sold my Cruiser for $5200?

:)


quote:Originally posted by Johnnywiffer

And where can you get a "new" car for $7500 (or $10,500 for that matter)?

John


Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-06-2008, 08:48 AM
Where were you when I sold my Cruiser for $5200?

:)


quote:Originally posted by Johnnywiffer

And where can you get a "new" car for $7500 (or $10,500 for that matter)?

John


Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

Johnnywiffer
03-06-2008, 09:31 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

Where were you when I sold my Cruiser for $5200?




Dreaming of the $7500 Daytona? :D

John

Johnnywiffer
03-06-2008, 09:31 AM
quote:Originally posted by 65cruiser

Where were you when I sold my Cruiser for $5200?




Dreaming of the $7500 Daytona? :D

John

JDP
03-06-2008, 09:57 AM
Here's my most recent 64 Cruiser experience. I found a low mileage survivor in incredible original condition right down to the paint and interior. This was about 3 years ago, and I paid 4K and shortly sold it to a friend at my cost. He kept it for a year or so, did some detailing and tried to sell it unsuccessfully with a $4500 reserve on ebay. He finally found a member that recognized that a 60,000 mile survivor was worth that kind of money as a driver and bought it.

It was part of my learning curve on sedan values and to this day, I'm still convinced they are undervalued in the current market. Back in 64 thy were priced about equally with a GT Hawk, are better drivers, yet worth perhaps 30-50% of a GT at retail. Of course, that trend carries over to all collector cars, all the flashy cars get the big bucks, and the 4 doors are the poor stepchildren.



JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-06-2008, 09:57 AM
Here's my most recent 64 Cruiser experience. I found a low mileage survivor in incredible original condition right down to the paint and interior. This was about 3 years ago, and I paid 4K and shortly sold it to a friend at my cost. He kept it for a year or so, did some detailing and tried to sell it unsuccessfully with a $4500 reserve on ebay. He finally found a member that recognized that a 60,000 mile survivor was worth that kind of money as a driver and bought it.

It was part of my learning curve on sedan values and to this day, I'm still convinced they are undervalued in the current market. Back in 64 thy were priced about equally with a GT Hawk, are better drivers, yet worth perhaps 30-50% of a GT at retail. Of course, that trend carries over to all collector cars, all the flashy cars get the big bucks, and the 4 doors are the poor stepchildren.



JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

arkiejazz
03-06-2008, 12:23 PM
[:o)]I know that Mark's car was very nice and seemed undervalued at the time he sold it. I must say that i have always felt that the '65's were not worth quite as much as the '64's simply because the '65's came with the chevybaker engine. Is that false thinking on my part?[:o)]

steve blake
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arkiejazz
03-06-2008, 12:23 PM
[:o)]I know that Mark's car was very nice and seemed undervalued at the time he sold it. I must say that i have always felt that the '65's were not worth quite as much as the '64's simply because the '65's came with the chevybaker engine. Is that false thinking on my part?[:o)]

steve blake
http://tinyurl.com/kr3gt
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65cruiser
03-06-2008, 12:31 PM
As a prior Chevybaker owner, I'd say you are correct to some extent, although I think the 4-doors hurts the value more than the 6. I would guess that a 64 289 vs 65 283, conditions being identical the 64 might bring more just because it has a Studebaker engine. At least, I'd be willing to pay more.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-06-2008, 12:31 PM
As a prior Chevybaker owner, I'd say you are correct to some extent, although I think the 4-doors hurts the value more than the 6. I would guess that a 64 289 vs 65 283, conditions being identical the 64 might bring more just because it has a Studebaker engine. At least, I'd be willing to pay more.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

JBOYLE
03-06-2008, 01:04 PM
Even at $10k it's not a bad buy.
Look at any edition of Hemmings or Sports Car Market (it has worldwide auction recaps)...where else can you get such a nice car for credit card money?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
03-06-2008, 01:04 PM
Even at $10k it's not a bad buy.
Look at any edition of Hemmings or Sports Car Market (it has worldwide auction recaps)...where else can you get such a nice car for credit card money?

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

Roscomacaw
03-06-2008, 03:03 PM
See, that's what I was saying. Is it likely to get $10K - I think not. But take a decent 64 Cruiser that's tired but not dead and see how much it costs to make it equal this one.[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
03-06-2008, 03:03 PM
See, that's what I was saying. Is it likely to get $10K - I think not. But take a decent 64 Cruiser that's tired but not dead and see how much it costs to make it equal this one.[^]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

65cruiser
03-07-2008, 09:04 AM
It's much cheaper to buy a really nice Studebaker already done, that it is to restore one yourself. I'll bet you can save 50% or better.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

65cruiser
03-07-2008, 09:04 AM
It's much cheaper to buy a really nice Studebaker already done, that it is to restore one yourself. I'll bet you can save 50% or better.

Mark Anderson
Member SDC and FMCA
Keeper of the Studebaker Cruiser Registry
http://home.alltel.net/anderm

My next Studebaker is in the future, but now getting my hair messed up in a Sebring ragtop!
Almost as fun as a Studebaker!

http://home.alltel.net/anderm/images/sebring.jpg

Bill Pressler
03-07-2008, 09:05 AM
It's much cheaper to buy a really nice Studebaker already done, that it is to restore one yourself. I'll bet you can save 50% or better.

I agree, and I learned this the hard way! My Skytop was structurally rusty in the quarters. I feel glad that I 'rescued' it by having a 'driver' restoration done on it, but even though I could have had the shop go further with the restoration, I'd be probably better off , money-wise, by having bought a more-solid car at the time. The appeal of low-purchase price was overwhelming!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

Bill Pressler
03-07-2008, 09:05 AM
It's much cheaper to buy a really nice Studebaker already done, that it is to restore one yourself. I'll bet you can save 50% or better.

I agree, and I learned this the hard way! My Skytop was structurally rusty in the quarters. I feel glad that I 'rescued' it by having a 'driver' restoration done on it, but even though I could have had the shop go further with the restoration, I'd be probably better off , money-wise, by having bought a more-solid car at the time. The appeal of low-purchase price was overwhelming!

Bill Pressler
Kent, OH
'63 Lark Daytona Skytop R1

raprice
08-31-2008, 08:34 AM
Boy, that IS a beautiful car. I wonder why Studebaker even bothered to alter the headlight doors, since most people (me) wouldn't even notice.
I also agree that it's much better to buy a car like this and spend a little more rather than buy one that needs restoring up to the same condition. Maybe it's my age talking.
Rog

'59 Lark VI Regal Hardtop
Smithtown,NY