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Studedude1961
03-03-2008, 09:45 PM
We all know that Studebaker faced almost yearly severe styling budget restraints during the Postwar years. Every independent faced the same challenge: Make the most changes for as little money as possible. In your honest opinions, which ONE facelift (not new design) changed the face of a Studebaker model or models the most?

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Gary1953
03-03-2008, 09:49 PM
1964 from the 1963 models.

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Gary1953
03-03-2008, 09:49 PM
1964 from the 1963 models.

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DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2008, 09:49 PM
Hawk to GT Hawk was the most famous....
Jeff[8D]

DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2008, 09:49 PM
Hawk to GT Hawk was the most famous....
Jeff[8D]

Gary1953
03-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Jeff,
I'll have to agree the change from 61 to 62 Hawk was a major change.

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Gary1953
03-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Jeff,
I'll have to agree the change from 61 to 62 Hawk was a major change.

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Nixa, MO
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paintim613
03-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Considering the positive sales impact the 49 to 50 change might have been the most dramatic one.

Tim-53 Custom Starlight aka The Studebird in Yuma, AZ

paintim613
03-03-2008, 10:24 PM
Considering the positive sales impact the 49 to 50 change might have been the most dramatic one.

Tim-53 Custom Starlight aka The Studebird in Yuma, AZ

fstst56
03-03-2008, 10:25 PM
Most changed? I guess the '64. You really can't tell its the
same car as the larks.

Then maybe the GT Hawks.

After that I'll vote for the 1950 bullet nose/corn pickers.

fstst56
03-03-2008, 10:25 PM
Most changed? I guess the '64. You really can't tell its the
same car as the larks.

Then maybe the GT Hawks.

After that I'll vote for the 1950 bullet nose/corn pickers.

rockne10
03-03-2008, 10:32 PM
I would say the '49 to '50 was the most dramatic. '63 to '64 was near brilliant.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

rockne10
03-03-2008, 10:32 PM
I would say the '49 to '50 was the most dramatic. '63 to '64 was near brilliant.

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

bondobilly
03-03-2008, 11:08 PM
1947 thru 1952, was done on the cheap, and most every piece is interchangable. The changes between 47 to 49 were done for about $9 a car. In fact the 47 had more chrome, like the big box 18 lb. license plate holder.

Then the 53 thu 61 was a bit more expensive cosmetically.

bondobilly
03-03-2008, 11:08 PM
1947 thru 1952, was done on the cheap, and most every piece is interchangable. The changes between 47 to 49 were done for about $9 a car. In fact the 47 had more chrome, like the big box 18 lb. license plate holder.

Then the 53 thu 61 was a bit more expensive cosmetically.

barnlark
03-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Since this is an "all of the above" no wrong answer thread, I'll add the '58 to '59 face lift..or was it a front and rear, nip and tuck on a 50's car version of a Dr. 90210 show?! New design and model, but let's face it..pun intended..many of the same parts under that new face.

barnlark
03-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Since this is an "all of the above" no wrong answer thread, I'll add the '58 to '59 face lift..or was it a front and rear, nip and tuck on a 50's car version of a Dr. 90210 show?! New design and model, but let's face it..pun intended..many of the same parts under that new face.

StudeRich
03-03-2008, 11:40 PM
I think as facelifts go, the '51 Bullet to the "almost" '53 1952's is quite a change really, definitely NOT a redesign![:0]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-03-2008, 11:40 PM
I think as facelifts go, the '51 Bullet to the "almost" '53 1952's is quite a change really, definitely NOT a redesign![:0]

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

jnewkirk77
03-04-2008, 04:27 AM
No one else is going to agree with me, but I'm going to say the '66 facelift is my choice.

Why?

Look at how clean and uncluttered it is. And, of course, there was Studebaker's last real innovation, too: The Refreshaire flow-through ventilation. I can only imagine that, had they been able to hang on past '66, Studebaker would have been praised roundly for the clean lines of its cars for '67 and beyond when everyone else started piling on the padded vinyl, excess chrome and opera windows.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
03-04-2008, 04:27 AM
No one else is going to agree with me, but I'm going to say the '66 facelift is my choice.

Why?

Look at how clean and uncluttered it is. And, of course, there was Studebaker's last real innovation, too: The Refreshaire flow-through ventilation. I can only imagine that, had they been able to hang on past '66, Studebaker would have been praised roundly for the clean lines of its cars for '67 and beyond when everyone else started piling on the padded vinyl, excess chrome and opera windows.

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

1961HAWK
03-04-2008, 06:08 AM
Just my opinion. to call the change from the 61 hawks to the 62 hawk a facelift is fine if your surgen used a ballbat....lol.. i jst dont care for the roof line on the newer hawks.sorry..... again dont go nuts my opinion...


Erin Hays
"From Stuck and Rusty to Slick steel and sex appeal"
RZRECTD
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

1961HAWK
03-04-2008, 06:08 AM
Just my opinion. to call the change from the 61 hawks to the 62 hawk a facelift is fine if your surgen used a ballbat....lol.. i jst dont care for the roof line on the newer hawks.sorry..... again dont go nuts my opinion...


Erin Hays
"From Stuck and Rusty to Slick steel and sex appeal"
RZRECTD
1961 Hawk
1962 Lark
1963 Wagonaire

lstude
03-04-2008, 06:51 AM
This may not be the best facelift Studebaker did, but it was probably the most costly without getting any benefit.

From 60 to 61, they changed the cowl, windshield, roof, rear glass, rear doors and hardtop roof line, front grille panel, hood, trunk lid, and most people couldn't tell the difference. Actually I think it made a better looking car IMO.

Leonard Shepherd
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lstude
03-04-2008, 06:51 AM
This may not be the best facelift Studebaker did, but it was probably the most costly without getting any benefit.

From 60 to 61, they changed the cowl, windshield, roof, rear glass, rear doors and hardtop roof line, front grille panel, hood, trunk lid, and most people couldn't tell the difference. Actually I think it made a better looking car IMO.

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

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JRoberts
03-04-2008, 06:59 AM
I may not get much support on this, but I think the change from the C to T cab trucks. Underneath the skin much remained the same and the body was no redesign, just reuse of old Lark stuff. A new truck with old stuff. I'm not sure how successful the change was sales wise, but it did put a new image out there with little or no major design changes. Of course this is all IMHO.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

JRoberts
03-04-2008, 06:59 AM
I may not get much support on this, but I think the change from the C to T cab trucks. Underneath the skin much remained the same and the body was no redesign, just reuse of old Lark stuff. A new truck with old stuff. I'm not sure how successful the change was sales wise, but it did put a new image out there with little or no major design changes. Of course this is all IMHO.

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

tutone63
03-04-2008, 07:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Since this is an "all of the above" no wrong answer thread, I'll add the '58 to '59 face lift..or was it a front and rear, nip and tuck on a 50's car version of a Dr. 90210 show?! New design and model, but let's face it..pun intended..many of the same parts under that new face.

I have to agree here. The creation of the Lark was probably the most extensive facelift, cause while it looked like a new design, it was really just a major facelift. Add to that it came at the most opportune time. Without this, Studebaker would have probably folded in the first two years of the 60's if not sooner.
After that, though, I would have to say the 49-50 facelift as the second.

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tutone63
03-04-2008, 07:53 AM
quote:Originally posted by barnlark

Since this is an "all of the above" no wrong answer thread, I'll add the '58 to '59 face lift..or was it a front and rear, nip and tuck on a 50's car version of a Dr. 90210 show?! New design and model, but let's face it..pun intended..many of the same parts under that new face.

I have to agree here. The creation of the Lark was probably the most extensive facelift, cause while it looked like a new design, it was really just a major facelift. Add to that it came at the most opportune time. Without this, Studebaker would have probably folded in the first two years of the 60's if not sooner.
After that, though, I would have to say the 49-50 facelift as the second.

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sals54
03-04-2008, 09:30 AM
I would have to say the award goes to the 53 to 54 change. Mainly cuz they didn't change it.
They may have spoiled a good thing right from the start instead of giving it another year to settle into the hearts of the public. After that, the changes were subtle and nice, but thank goodness for the 54's.

sals54
03-04-2008, 09:30 AM
I would have to say the award goes to the 53 to 54 change. Mainly cuz they didn't change it.
They may have spoiled a good thing right from the start instead of giving it another year to settle into the hearts of the public. After that, the changes were subtle and nice, but thank goodness for the 54's.

studeefrek
03-04-2008, 09:44 AM
cars 52 to 53 trucks 37 8 9 to 41

studeefrek
03-04-2008, 09:44 AM
cars 52 to 53 trucks 37 8 9 to 41

61LaRk4dr
03-04-2008, 09:55 AM
I would have to agree with jnewkirk77, I like the 1966 revision from the 1965 models. They seem so clean cut, and going back to the dual headlamps vs. the quad lamps made the vehicle look so much better. Now if only these models came out of the factory with R-2 power!

61LaRk4dr
03-04-2008, 09:55 AM
I would have to agree with jnewkirk77, I like the 1966 revision from the 1965 models. They seem so clean cut, and going back to the dual headlamps vs. the quad lamps made the vehicle look so much better. Now if only these models came out of the factory with R-2 power!

52-fan
03-04-2008, 12:00 PM
Even though I like them, I know the poor little 52 won't get any votes.:( I would have to vote for the 62 GT Hawk for best update. I like all of the Hawks, but the change from 61 to 62 was dramatic considering the budget and other restraints. I still like their clean look better than the more dressy 63-64 GTs.

1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, 1947 M5. Searcy,Arkansas

52-fan
03-04-2008, 12:00 PM
Even though I like them, I know the poor little 52 won't get any votes.:( I would have to vote for the 62 GT Hawk for best update. I like all of the Hawks, but the change from 61 to 62 was dramatic considering the budget and other restraints. I still like their clean look better than the more dressy 63-64 GTs.

1952 Champion Starlight, 1962 Daytona, 1947 M5. Searcy,Arkansas

JJB
03-04-2008, 12:44 PM
IMHO, biggest facelift - 52 to 53 and 61 to 62 Hawks


Jim Barker
Council Bluffs, Ia
'60 Hawk'

JJB
03-04-2008, 12:44 PM
IMHO, biggest facelift - 52 to 53 and 61 to 62 Hawks


Jim Barker
Council Bluffs, Ia
'60 Hawk'

Mark57
03-04-2008, 02:54 PM
No contest! [8D] The change from the '56 to '57 C-Cab when the Doehler fibreglass grill was added is the winner, hands down. [^] ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/IMG_0028a.jpg

Mark57
03-04-2008, 02:54 PM
No contest! [8D] The change from the '56 to '57 C-Cab when the Doehler fibreglass grill was added is the winner, hands down. [^] ;)

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
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Gary1953
03-04-2008, 03:26 PM
I wouldn't call the change from 52 to 53 a face lift. It was much more than that in my mind.

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Nixa, MO
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Gary1953
03-04-2008, 03:26 PM
I wouldn't call the change from 52 to 53 a face lift. It was much more than that in my mind.

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Nixa, MO
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gordr
03-04-2008, 04:02 PM
Best facelift: from the '49 cars to the '50 cars. It resulted in Studebaker having their best-ever sales year, IIRC, and it created an icon. There people out there who don't recognize any car as a Studebaker, unless it has a bullet-nose. On other words, "bullet-nose" defines Studebaker for a significant part of the public, like it or not.

Worst facelift in the Studebaker world? Maybe it's a stretch to call the T-cab pickup a "facelift" although chassis-wise it differs little from the C-cabs that preceded it. Worse not so much for what it is, but for what it missed being. Had Studebaker had the foresight to have based the Champ cab on the two-door Lark sedan body, and given it the longer doors, more leg room, AND some useful stowage space behind the seat, they could have had a real winner and laid claim to having the roomiest cab in the industry, just at a time when pickups were starting to move up-market. This was at a time when Popular Science Magazine was running articles with titles like "Why Your Second Car Should Be a Pickup." Really. Champs LOOK good, but they are cramped to ride in, and I was always banging my knee on the windshield dogleg getting into mine. They really missed the boat by not making a bigger cab. Development cost would have scarcely differed at all, and the difference in manufacturing cost would probably have boiled down to the cost of the extra metal used; it would not have required more parts. Now they would have had to extend the frame to keep a standard size box, but that's no biggie, IMHO.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
03-04-2008, 04:02 PM
Best facelift: from the '49 cars to the '50 cars. It resulted in Studebaker having their best-ever sales year, IIRC, and it created an icon. There people out there who don't recognize any car as a Studebaker, unless it has a bullet-nose. On other words, "bullet-nose" defines Studebaker for a significant part of the public, like it or not.

Worst facelift in the Studebaker world? Maybe it's a stretch to call the T-cab pickup a "facelift" although chassis-wise it differs little from the C-cabs that preceded it. Worse not so much for what it is, but for what it missed being. Had Studebaker had the foresight to have based the Champ cab on the two-door Lark sedan body, and given it the longer doors, more leg room, AND some useful stowage space behind the seat, they could have had a real winner and laid claim to having the roomiest cab in the industry, just at a time when pickups were starting to move up-market. This was at a time when Popular Science Magazine was running articles with titles like "Why Your Second Car Should Be a Pickup." Really. Champs LOOK good, but they are cramped to ride in, and I was always banging my knee on the windshield dogleg getting into mine. They really missed the boat by not making a bigger cab. Development cost would have scarcely differed at all, and the difference in manufacturing cost would probably have boiled down to the cost of the extra metal used; it would not have required more parts. Now they would have had to extend the frame to keep a standard size box, but that's no biggie, IMHO.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

BobPalma
03-04-2008, 04:07 PM
:) Well, guys; this thread topic is a no-brainer.

The object of the company's activities was to sell as many cars as possible in a given model year. If it could be done without making the engineering and tooling investments needed to produce a totally-new model, so much the better.

Within those parameters, the 1950 model line wins hands down. Basically unchanged from the cowl back, with few mechanical refinements. The only mechanical item of note being an automatic transmission, sharing "first in the low-price field" with Chevrolet.

And when the dust had cleared and the last car had been built in Hamilton, Ontario barely 16 years later, the 1950 Studebaker would prove to be the high-water mark in domestic automobile production for any model year in the company's history. :D BP

BobPalma
03-04-2008, 04:07 PM
:) Well, guys; this thread topic is a no-brainer.

The object of the company's activities was to sell as many cars as possible in a given model year. If it could be done without making the engineering and tooling investments needed to produce a totally-new model, so much the better.

Within those parameters, the 1950 model line wins hands down. Basically unchanged from the cowl back, with few mechanical refinements. The only mechanical item of note being an automatic transmission, sharing "first in the low-price field" with Chevrolet.

And when the dust had cleared and the last car had been built in Hamilton, Ontario barely 16 years later, the 1950 Studebaker would prove to be the high-water mark in domestic automobile production for any model year in the company's history. :D BP

Swifster
03-04-2008, 10:24 PM
I think the '66 was interesting just because the few remaing staff members in the styling department had to take their returnables and cash them in to restyle the front end.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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Swifster
03-04-2008, 10:24 PM
I think the '66 was interesting just because the few remaing staff members in the styling department had to take their returnables and cash them in to restyle the front end.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

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DilloCrafter
03-04-2008, 11:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mark57

No contest! [8D] The change from the '56 to '57 C-Cab when the Doehler fibreglass grill was added is the winner, hands down. [^] ;)

Cough...no, they lost an amazing truck grill between '56 and '57. So good, in fact, that every Dodge car and truck nowadays has borrowed those four horizonal ovals that constitute the grille.

Just my opinion, Mark. I love your truck, too. :)

http://simps.us/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]
Paul Simpson
"DilloCrafter"

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
03-04-2008, 11:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by Mark57

No contest! [8D] The change from the '56 to '57 C-Cab when the Doehler fibreglass grill was added is the winner, hands down. [^] ;)

Cough...no, they lost an amazing truck grill between '56 and '57. So good, in fact, that every Dodge car and truck nowadays has borrowed those four horizonal ovals that constitute the grille.

Just my opinion, Mark. I love your truck, too. :)

http://simps.us/studebaker/misc/images/Avacar-hcsdc.gif[/img=left]
Paul Simpson
"DilloCrafter"

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Mark57
03-04-2008, 11:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter
Cough...no, they lost an amazing truck grill between '56 and '57. So good, in fact, that every Dodge car and truck nowadays has borrowed those four horizonal ovals that constitute the grille.

Just my opinion, Mark. I love your truck, too. :)
Paul Simpson
"DilloCrafter"
Deep in the heart of Texas


Hey, no worries Paul! :) If everyone liked Doehler grilled C-Cabs as much as I do, I could never have afforded to buy the one I've got now.;)

I mean look at Champ pick-ups, Arkiejazz has singlehandedly kept the price of them well above where they should be... [:0] [}:)] :D

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Mark57
03-04-2008, 11:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter
Cough...no, they lost an amazing truck grill between '56 and '57. So good, in fact, that every Dodge car and truck nowadays has borrowed those four horizonal ovals that constitute the grille.

Just my opinion, Mark. I love your truck, too. :)
Paul Simpson
"DilloCrafter"
Deep in the heart of Texas


Hey, no worries Paul! :) If everyone liked Doehler grilled C-Cabs as much as I do, I could never have afforded to buy the one I've got now.;)

I mean look at Champ pick-ups, Arkiejazz has singlehandedly kept the price of them well above where they should be... [:0] [}:)] :D

<h5>Mark
'57 Transtar
3E-6/7-122 </h5>
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x153/MarkH57/MrGreenJeans1003b.jpg

Stude Mick
03-05-2008, 02:18 AM
I think 1955 coupe/hardtop to 1956 Hawk was a major change, it was the start of the hawks which were in production for 9 years and are still one of the most remembered Studes

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia

1955 Commander Sedan
1955 Commander Coupe
1961 Lark Cruiser
1963 Avanti R1

Stude Mick
03-05-2008, 02:18 AM
I think 1955 coupe/hardtop to 1956 Hawk was a major change, it was the start of the hawks which were in production for 9 years and are still one of the most remembered Studes

Michael Pink
Victoria, Australia

1955 Commander Sedan
1955 Commander Coupe
1961 Lark Cruiser
1963 Avanti R1

JBOYLE
03-05-2008, 11:27 AM
I'm impressed with how different a new hood/grille and some fins transformed the look of the 53-55 C/Ks into the Hawks.
A lot of change for little money.

Then in 62 changing the roof to make the GT.
Those Studebaker guys were magicians.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
03-05-2008, 11:27 AM
I'm impressed with how different a new hood/grille and some fins transformed the look of the 53-55 C/Ks into the Hawks.
A lot of change for little money.

Then in 62 changing the roof to make the GT.
Those Studebaker guys were magicians.

63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

3rdGenStude
03-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Well. somebody needs to say it. . .

The change from 53/54 C/K to 55 C/K was not only --literally-- just a face lift, but unlike most people, I really LIKE the change in appearance. I think there's nothing prettier than a '55 Speedster, although a GT Hawk is really nice, too.


Paul

In memory of Boris, the 1950 Land Cruiser project,
. . . he became a down payment for. . .
Natasha, the 1955 Speedster project

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3rdGenStude
03-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Well. somebody needs to say it. . .

The change from 53/54 C/K to 55 C/K was not only --literally-- just a face lift, but unlike most people, I really LIKE the change in appearance. I think there's nothing prettier than a '55 Speedster, although a GT Hawk is really nice, too.


Paul

In memory of Boris, the 1950 Land Cruiser project,
. . . he became a down payment for. . .
Natasha, the 1955 Speedster project

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studegary
03-05-2008, 02:20 PM
My choice is the Lark introduction with the 1959 model year. My second choice would be the 1950 models.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
03-05-2008, 02:20 PM
My choice is the Lark introduction with the 1959 model year. My second choice would be the 1950 models.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

Studedude1961
03-05-2008, 07:04 PM
I have to agree with Studegary. The 1958 Studebaker "full-size" whittled down to the 1959 Lark "compact" was the best Studebaker facelift IMHO hand's down.

Thanks for everyone's two cents. Made a fun thread.

Studedude961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
03-05-2008, 07:04 PM
I have to agree with Studegary. The 1958 Studebaker "full-size" whittled down to the 1959 Lark "compact" was the best Studebaker facelift IMHO hand's down.

Thanks for everyone's two cents. Made a fun thread.

Studedude961
--1963 Cruiser

barnlark
03-06-2008, 01:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude1961

I have to agree with Studegary. The 1958 Studebaker "full-size" whittled down to the 1959 Lark "compact" was the best Studebaker facelift IMHO hand's down.

Thanks for everyone's two cents. Made a fun thread.

Studedude961
--1963 Cruiser
I forgot to add from my above '58 to '59 face lift entry, because it took 8 years from the last one; the '60 convertible. Not the most important, but certainly a face lift. Those and bullet nose convertibles are still pulling the wallets out. Fun thread, indeed. Great idea!

barnlark
03-06-2008, 01:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by Studedude1961

I have to agree with Studegary. The 1958 Studebaker "full-size" whittled down to the 1959 Lark "compact" was the best Studebaker facelift IMHO hand's down.

Thanks for everyone's two cents. Made a fun thread.

Studedude961
--1963 Cruiser
I forgot to add from my above '58 to '59 face lift entry, because it took 8 years from the last one; the '60 convertible. Not the most important, but certainly a face lift. Those and bullet nose convertibles are still pulling the wallets out. Fun thread, indeed. Great idea!

Steve T
03-07-2008, 11:10 PM
I'll go with the '58 sedans/'59 Larks too...more than a styling change, rather a near-total refocus of Stude's market direction that nonetheless used the bulk of a proven design (and even pitched some of the unchanged aspects--body-on-frame; 15" wheels--as pluses).

From a sales perspective of course the '49-'50 nosejob was genius...

And I'd cite Brooks Stevens' lickety split/micro-budget '62s as very clever, too...one kept the classy Hawk (and thus the Starliner) going three years longer; and the other (46 years later, sure) gave me my cherished Lark!:D

The '53/4 coupes and HTs are my favourite Studes, but as has been said that wasn't exactly a "facelift", that was Mr Bourke et al penning the prettiest American car of the 50s as a showcar, then somehow getting it into production unmeddled-with...

Fun thread!

S.

Steve T
03-07-2008, 11:10 PM
I'll go with the '58 sedans/'59 Larks too...more than a styling change, rather a near-total refocus of Stude's market direction that nonetheless used the bulk of a proven design (and even pitched some of the unchanged aspects--body-on-frame; 15" wheels--as pluses).

From a sales perspective of course the '49-'50 nosejob was genius...

And I'd cite Brooks Stevens' lickety split/micro-budget '62s as very clever, too...one kept the classy Hawk (and thus the Starliner) going three years longer; and the other (46 years later, sure) gave me my cherished Lark!:D

The '53/4 coupes and HTs are my favourite Studes, but as has been said that wasn't exactly a "facelift", that was Mr Bourke et al penning the prettiest American car of the 50s as a showcar, then somehow getting it into production unmeddled-with...

Fun thread!

S.

bullet_nose_stude
03-08-2008, 05:29 AM
Well, after reading the previous posts that address this topic, I'm wondering if the topic is being thought of in terms of a SUCCESSFUL facelift. I'm not an authority on Studes, but I was more or less under the impression that the last all-new postwar design for the company was the 1953 models. If that is so, it would seem to me that the 59 Lark would have to be the winner hands-down, because it looks nothing like the previous models, with the possible exception of the roofline.

I also think the 1956 models presented a dramatic change in appearance from the 1955's - although maybe not a particularly successful one to some (myself not included - I like them). They would get my vote for second after the 59 Lark. Just an opinion.

bullet_nose_stude
03-08-2008, 05:29 AM
Well, after reading the previous posts that address this topic, I'm wondering if the topic is being thought of in terms of a SUCCESSFUL facelift. I'm not an authority on Studes, but I was more or less under the impression that the last all-new postwar design for the company was the 1953 models. If that is so, it would seem to me that the 59 Lark would have to be the winner hands-down, because it looks nothing like the previous models, with the possible exception of the roofline.

I also think the 1956 models presented a dramatic change in appearance from the 1955's - although maybe not a particularly successful one to some (myself not included - I like them). They would get my vote for second after the 59 Lark. Just an opinion.

lstude
03-08-2008, 07:18 AM
quote:Well, after reading the previous posts that address this topic, I'm wondering if the topic is being thought of in terms of a SUCCESSFUL facelift. I'm not an authority on Studes, but I was more or less under the impression that the last all-new postwar design for the company was the 1953 models. If that is so, it would seem to me that the 59 Lark would have to be the winner hands-down, because it looks nothing like the previous models, with the possible exception of the roofline.

If successful means sales figures, then Bob Palma addressed it.


quote:Well, guys; this thread topic is a no-brainer.

The object of the company's activities was to sell as many cars as possible in a given model year. If it could be done without making the engineering and tooling investments needed to produce a totally-new model, so much the better.

Within those parameters, the 1950 model line wins hands down. Basically unchanged from the cowl back, with few mechanical refinements. The only mechanical item of note being an automatic transmission, sharing "first in the low-price field" with Chevrolet.

And when the dust had cleared and the last car had been built in Hamilton, Ontario barely 16 years later, the 1950 Studebaker would prove to be the high-water mark in domestic automobile production for any model year in the company's history. BP


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lstude
03-08-2008, 07:18 AM
quote:Well, after reading the previous posts that address this topic, I'm wondering if the topic is being thought of in terms of a SUCCESSFUL facelift. I'm not an authority on Studes, but I was more or less under the impression that the last all-new postwar design for the company was the 1953 models. If that is so, it would seem to me that the 59 Lark would have to be the winner hands-down, because it looks nothing like the previous models, with the possible exception of the roofline.

If successful means sales figures, then Bob Palma addressed it.


quote:Well, guys; this thread topic is a no-brainer.

The object of the company's activities was to sell as many cars as possible in a given model year. If it could be done without making the engineering and tooling investments needed to produce a totally-new model, so much the better.

Within those parameters, the 1950 model line wins hands down. Basically unchanged from the cowl back, with few mechanical refinements. The only mechanical item of note being an automatic transmission, sharing "first in the low-price field" with Chevrolet.

And when the dust had cleared and the last car had been built in Hamilton, Ontario barely 16 years later, the 1950 Studebaker would prove to be the high-water mark in domestic automobile production for any model year in the company's history. BP


Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg