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carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 08:04 AM
Pls Dlt thread. Thank u.

DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2008, 08:16 AM
The last two 'true' Hilborn injectiion units that were up on Ebay were older, mechanical race units.
The fuel pump drive was off the camshaft and the pump mounts right to the timing cover.
So, you won't be using the stock water pump manifold on the engine.
Would it work on any other engines? Sure, if you modified it.
Even if you did totally rebuild it (all new lines, and rebuild the nozzles),
it would be awful on the street, with a very high idle setting, poor idle qualities (fouls plugs real easy), and subject to backfiring...
Closest fit somewhere else would probably be an older Caddy engine.
That injection setup really belongs on a museum car, or in a display case in a museum.
But that's just one guy's opinion[}:)]
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang

Im trying to find information on a Hilborn fuel injection unit that would be used on a 50s Studebaker. Im searching online and not finding nothing.
The only thing close was an eBay auction at $2500..Although no bids.

I might pick it up just to make a buck if its worth anything close to that..

Would it work on any other cars.

I appreciate the time and help!

DEEPNHOCK
03-03-2008, 08:16 AM
The last two 'true' Hilborn injectiion units that were up on Ebay were older, mechanical race units.
The fuel pump drive was off the camshaft and the pump mounts right to the timing cover.
So, you won't be using the stock water pump manifold on the engine.
Would it work on any other engines? Sure, if you modified it.
Even if you did totally rebuild it (all new lines, and rebuild the nozzles),
it would be awful on the street, with a very high idle setting, poor idle qualities (fouls plugs real easy), and subject to backfiring...
Closest fit somewhere else would probably be an older Caddy engine.
That injection setup really belongs on a museum car, or in a display case in a museum.
But that's just one guy's opinion[}:)]
Jeff[8D]



quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang

Im trying to find information on a Hilborn fuel injection unit that would be used on a 50s Studebaker. Im searching online and not finding nothing.
The only thing close was an eBay auction at $2500..Although no bids.

I might pick it up just to make a buck if its worth anything close to that..

Would it work on any other cars.

I appreciate the time and help!

JDP
03-03-2008, 08:17 AM
I did some research on the units a few years back when one was on ebay. In general, they are for racing only unless given a expensive update for street use. i.e. spray gas from a bottle into the throats, no choke or accelerator pump, only designed for wide open throttle.

Here's what Hilborn says:



"Can I run a HILBORN mechanical fuel injector on a street car?

No.
Our mechanical fuel injectors are manufactured strictly for racing applications. Since the mechanical castings are designed for maximum air flow and do not have a metering system for low speed operation, they are not recommended for street use."



JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 08:17 AM
I did some research on the units a few years back when one was on ebay. In general, they are for racing only unless given a expensive update for street use. i.e. spray gas from a bottle into the throats, no choke or accelerator pump, only designed for wide open throttle.

Here's what Hilborn says:



"Can I run a HILBORN mechanical fuel injector on a street car?

No.
Our mechanical fuel injectors are manufactured strictly for racing applications. Since the mechanical castings are designed for maximum air flow and do not have a metering system for low speed operation, they are not recommended for street use."



JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 08:20 AM
You guys are fast!
Would it be worth more than say..A few hundred bucks? Is there any part #'s I should look for before risking my own cash?

carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 08:20 AM
You guys are fast!
Would it be worth more than say..A few hundred bucks? Is there any part #'s I should look for before risking my own cash?

JDP
03-03-2008, 08:36 AM
Worth 2K or more for the Studebaker version to the right guy, they only made a handful.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 08:36 AM
Worth 2K or more for the Studebaker version to the right guy, they only made a handful.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 10:46 AM
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carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 10:46 AM
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carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 10:48 AM
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carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 10:48 AM
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LARK59
03-03-2008, 11:15 AM
The current trnd is to convert the mechanical units to efi its fairly simple but costs a few dollars. You can run mechanical injection on the street if its set up properly and has a surge tank for supplying fuel for startup {dont think I would for more than a cruise night ride}
Thanks
Jerry

59 Lark VI Hardtop
60 Lark VIII Hardtop
63 Lark Custom 2D R1 4speed
51 3/4 Ton truck 9 foot bed
57 Transtar 1 ton 5Sp/od
62 Transtar 289 1 Ton
64 wagon
57 Silver Hawk {soon}future Bonneville car 200 mph

LARK59
03-03-2008, 11:15 AM
The current trnd is to convert the mechanical units to efi its fairly simple but costs a few dollars. You can run mechanical injection on the street if its set up properly and has a surge tank for supplying fuel for startup {dont think I would for more than a cruise night ride}
Thanks
Jerry

59 Lark VI Hardtop
60 Lark VIII Hardtop
63 Lark Custom 2D R1 4speed
51 3/4 Ton truck 9 foot bed
57 Transtar 1 ton 5Sp/od
62 Transtar 289 1 Ton
64 wagon
57 Silver Hawk {soon}future Bonneville car 200 mph

JDP
03-03-2008, 11:25 AM
If you can buy it cheap, you can flip it for a lot of money to a vintage speed equipment guy.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 11:25 AM
If you can buy it cheap, you can flip it for a lot of money to a vintage speed equipment guy.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

Sonny
03-03-2008, 02:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang

Im trying to find information on a Hilborn fuel injection unit that would be used on a 50s Studebaker. Im searching online and not finding nothing.
The only thing close was an eBay auction at $2500..Although no bids.

I might pick it up just to make a buck if its worth anything close to that..

Would it work on any other cars.

I appreciate the time and help!

I know lots about it. Can I get part numbers, pictures, condition, and a bottom line price? Hopefully you're not expecting to get the previously suggested, flip it for a lot of money, retail price. You can flip it to a vintage speed equipment guy or I really hope that I can afford for you to flip it to a Studebaker guy like me, who's interested in a Hillborn setup.....

Sonny
http://racingstudebakers.com/avatar_01.jpghttp://RacingStudebakers.com

Sonny
03-03-2008, 02:09 PM
quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang

Im trying to find information on a Hilborn fuel injection unit that would be used on a 50s Studebaker. Im searching online and not finding nothing.
The only thing close was an eBay auction at $2500..Although no bids.

I might pick it up just to make a buck if its worth anything close to that..

Would it work on any other cars.

I appreciate the time and help!

I know lots about it. Can I get part numbers, pictures, condition, and a bottom line price? Hopefully you're not expecting to get the previously suggested, flip it for a lot of money, retail price. You can flip it to a vintage speed equipment guy or I really hope that I can afford for you to flip it to a Studebaker guy like me, who's interested in a Hillborn setup.....

Sonny
http://racingstudebakers.com/avatar_01.jpghttp://RacingStudebakers.com

Mike Van Veghten
03-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Yea...a complete "Studebaker" assembly on e-Bay a year or so ago- complete injection castings (with butterflys, tubes, etc.), barrel valve, distributor, distr. driven fuel pump, lines, etc as I recall went for around 3 grand.

And they (mechanical fuel injection) CAN be made to work "relitivly" well on the street, but only as an accasional driver. A friend built an Austen Healey with a big block Chevy, Crower mechanical injectors (simillar to Hilborn), Lenco transmission. The car is lic'd and it is semiregulary driven on the street still today.

Mike

Mike Van Veghten
03-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Yea...a complete "Studebaker" assembly on e-Bay a year or so ago- complete injection castings (with butterflys, tubes, etc.), barrel valve, distributor, distr. driven fuel pump, lines, etc as I recall went for around 3 grand.

And they (mechanical fuel injection) CAN be made to work "relitivly" well on the street, but only as an accasional driver. A friend built an Austen Healey with a big block Chevy, Crower mechanical injectors (simillar to Hilborn), Lenco transmission. The car is lic'd and it is semiregulary driven on the street still today.

Mike

carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 02:17 PM
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carbd86stang
03-03-2008, 02:17 PM
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Guido
03-03-2008, 03:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang
The jerk has someone else going to look at it before me. Really stupid..I was willing to come out whenever..Just waiting to hear back from him..I finally called him and he said someone else was on the way..Jerk

So I told him Id give him more for it..He said hed tell the other guy and let me know..So now Im yet again waiting for him to call me back.
Did I miss something here? Unless he had struck a deal to sell the unit to you I do not see why you would be upset that he had someone else coming to take a look at it. We do live in a capitalistic society, the first one to convey the money will end up with the product. As was discussed in the post about the fellow who lost out on the e-Bay Karman Ghia, fault no one other than yourself if you do not act swiftly to make something yours.

If it is on the market the presumption is the owner wants to sell. If that is the case, he will talk to anyone who will make that happen. Like our mothers said when we were children, "the early bird gets the worm".

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Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
03-03-2008, 03:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by carbd86stang
The jerk has someone else going to look at it before me. Really stupid..I was willing to come out whenever..Just waiting to hear back from him..I finally called him and he said someone else was on the way..Jerk

So I told him Id give him more for it..He said hed tell the other guy and let me know..So now Im yet again waiting for him to call me back.
Did I miss something here? Unless he had struck a deal to sell the unit to you I do not see why you would be upset that he had someone else coming to take a look at it. We do live in a capitalistic society, the first one to convey the money will end up with the product. As was discussed in the post about the fellow who lost out on the e-Bay Karman Ghia, fault no one other than yourself if you do not act swiftly to make something yours.

If it is on the market the presumption is the owner wants to sell. If that is the case, he will talk to anyone who will make that happen. Like our mothers said when we were children, "the early bird gets the worm".

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.