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bams50
03-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Got a chance to give the 63 Wagonaire I got from George Orphanidys a good look over today.

Just to refresh our memories, here it is:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08035.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08036.jpg

I rolled down the back window and opened the roof; they both work fairly well. In fact all the windows work, some better than others. In the back was every piece of trim off it, plus several extra pieces- water pump, fuel pump, screws and handles, etc. Found a couple of packs of new rubber things I don't recognize in original bags. Has the spare and original jack, rear bumper with VA plates dated 1989. Apparently there is a seal of some sort between the roof and the slider that's missing. Interior is all there, but to say it is toast is an insult to toast! This one is the rare Wagonaire Varsity, as noted on the glove box door...

The floors were/are rusted, but I've seen much worse. Someone welded in new floors and rockers on the driver's side, pretty decent job. Don't know who made them, but they do have ribs stamped in. Maybe an hour or two would finish them up. On the passenger's side someone cut out the rust (about 6" wide by 3' long) and fitted one hand-made patch and a new rocker, then stopped. There's a new piece made for that side laying loose in the car. Not too bad. Doors are usable, a couple have small holes in the bottoms. RF fender is straight and solid, LF has been bondoed and primed; not sure about condition under the bondo. Frame does not have the rust/corrosion/swelling under the plates like so many have.

Engine is free and full of fairly clean oil. Carb has been gone through fairly recently. Recent water and fuel pumps. Trans. fluid is full and looks clean. Probably will start with a battery and some new gas; hope to try it this week. Air cleaner with wingnut is in the car, but the clip and bolt on top of the carb is missing. Engine is a full-flow 289 2-bbl., auto trans., power disc brakes.

George had the title for it, a copy of the original title, and even a picture of the original owner! However the current title showed an error in the VIN, so George took them back to get it corrected.

I brought this home not sure if it was a very good parts car, or a worthy resto candidate. Gary Ash said- without hesitation- parts car. I told George I wanted to save it. It's now clear that it's worth saving!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

JDP
03-02-2008, 11:20 PM
Parts car.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-02-2008, 11:20 PM
Parts car.:)

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

bams50
03-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Parts for what, though? I'm not seeing that many decent Wagonaires around that need donors...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Parts for what, though? I'm not seeing that many decent Wagonaires around that need donors...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Swifster
03-02-2008, 11:40 PM
Sorry, but I agree with John and Gary. Parts car. [:0][V]

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Tom - Valrico, FL

[b]1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

Swifster
03-02-2008, 11:40 PM
Sorry, but I agree with John and Gary. Parts car. [:0][V]

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Tom - Valrico, FL

[b]1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

redvoyager
03-02-2008, 11:56 PM
Fix it, its a wagon after all

Norm
58 Transtar 1 ton dually PU
58 2 door wagon
Davenport, Fl

redvoyager
03-02-2008, 11:56 PM
Fix it, its a wagon after all

Norm
58 Transtar 1 ton dually PU
58 2 door wagon
Davenport, Fl

LarkVIII
03-03-2008, 05:01 AM
If you can do the body work yourself go for it,it's a Wagonaire and casts a decent shadow :)




quote:Originally posted by bams50

Parts for what, though? I'm not seeing that many decent Wagonaires around that need donors...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"






63VY4 Leakin' Lena Hagerstown MD

LarkVIII
03-03-2008, 05:01 AM
If you can do the body work yourself go for it,it's a Wagonaire and casts a decent shadow :)




quote:Originally posted by bams50

Parts for what, though? I'm not seeing that many decent Wagonaires around that need donors...

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"






63VY4 Leakin' Lena Hagerstown MD

wpsrea
03-03-2008, 07:18 AM
I would say if the sliding roof and the rear gate and window are working as they should and it drives out reasonably well, fix it. It is a V8 wagon and we all know what wagons are doing these days.

wpsrea
03-03-2008, 07:18 AM
I would say if the sliding roof and the rear gate and window are working as they should and it drives out reasonably well, fix it. It is a V8 wagon and we all know what wagons are doing these days.

8E45E
03-03-2008, 07:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50




http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08036.jpg




Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig

8E45E
03-03-2008, 07:45 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50




http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a243/bams50/York%2008/York08036.jpg




Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig

mbstude
03-03-2008, 07:47 AM
If the tailgate is straight and rust free, it's worth a nice bit of change. :)
We have one nice Wagonaire, and 3 other Wagonaire parts cars. All '64's, BTW. (And one of those is a factory Astra White Daytona model ;))

If you're up to the task Bams, go for it, they're fun cars. But there's better ones out there. ;)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-7.jpg

mbstude
03-03-2008, 07:47 AM
If the tailgate is straight and rust free, it's worth a nice bit of change. :)
We have one nice Wagonaire, and 3 other Wagonaire parts cars. All '64's, BTW. (And one of those is a factory Astra White Daytona model ;))

If you're up to the task Bams, go for it, they're fun cars. But there's better ones out there. ;)

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-7.jpg

jnewkirk77
03-03-2008, 07:52 AM
SAVE IT! SAVE IT!! SAVE IT!!!

Bob, it looks and from your description, sounds no worse, honest to God, than my much newer (1987) F-150 did when I bought it. People told me I was nuts to even consider it, but in running condition for $400, I could NOT say no. Now I'm getting ready to paint it; I have just a couple or three more rusted areas to fix, and it'll be ready. Despite my physical limitations, I've managed to take a rusty farm truck and turn it into something, well, more than just a rusty farm truck. It's become a rather inexpensive labor of love, which keeps the wife happy, and it's proven to me that I can still do it, even though I may not be as able as I once was.

How could you NOT do it???

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
03-03-2008, 07:52 AM
SAVE IT! SAVE IT!! SAVE IT!!!

Bob, it looks and from your description, sounds no worse, honest to God, than my much newer (1987) F-150 did when I bought it. People told me I was nuts to even consider it, but in running condition for $400, I could NOT say no. Now I'm getting ready to paint it; I have just a couple or three more rusted areas to fix, and it'll be ready. Despite my physical limitations, I've managed to take a rusty farm truck and turn it into something, well, more than just a rusty farm truck. It's become a rather inexpensive labor of love, which keeps the wife happy, and it's proven to me that I can still do it, even though I may not be as able as I once was.

How could you NOT do it???

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

JDP
03-03-2008, 07:59 AM
Only reason I say parts car, is the numbers don't add up to restore the car. I passed on a on a running, driving, 20 footer wagon for $3500 and it had decent chrome, paint and interior. It just had rust issues starting in the usual places, but was still presentable.
I'll add my usual disclaimer that it is worth restoring if you don't intend to resell or care about the cost. They all deserve to be saved by someone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 07:59 AM
Only reason I say parts car, is the numbers don't add up to restore the car. I passed on a on a running, driving, 20 footer wagon for $3500 and it had decent chrome, paint and interior. It just had rust issues starting in the usual places, but was still presentable.
I'll add my usual disclaimer that it is worth restoring if you don't intend to resell or care about the cost. They all deserve to be saved by someone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JRoberts
03-03-2008, 08:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Only reason I say parts car, is the numbers don't add up to restore the car. I passed on a on a running, driving, 20 footer wagon for $3500 and it had decent chrome, paint and interior. It just had rust issues starting in the usual places, but was still presentable.
I'll add my usual disclaimer that it is worth restoring if you don't intend to resell or care about the cost. They all deserve to be saved by someone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)


spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon




John, I like this approach. Each to his own. I personally don't have the skills needed to accomplish the task Bams is looking at, but if he does be all means save the car. Of course it is easy for me to say as I won't be doing the work or spending the money -- right?

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

JRoberts
03-03-2008, 08:34 AM
quote:Originally posted by JDP

Only reason I say parts car, is the numbers don't add up to restore the car. I passed on a on a running, driving, 20 footer wagon for $3500 and it had decent chrome, paint and interior. It just had rust issues starting in the usual places, but was still presentable.
I'll add my usual disclaimer that it is worth restoring if you don't intend to resell or care about the cost. They all deserve to be saved by someone.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)


spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon




John, I like this approach. Each to his own. I personally don't have the skills needed to accomplish the task Bams is looking at, but if he does be all means save the car. Of course it is easy for me to say as I won't be doing the work or spending the money -- right?

Joe Roberts
'61 R1 Champ
'65 Cruiser
Editor of "The Down Easterner"
Eastern North Carolina Chapter

JDP
03-03-2008, 09:42 AM
I must have talked to a dozen members at York that took the cost is no object approach. One that comes to mind was a full, frame off on a 54 Champion 4 door. He was 20K in the car and had been putting off replating the chrome for obvious reasons. :)
It all started because he could not afford what was then a 3K C-K at the time, and bought his 4 door Champion for $250. It's a cycle many get caught up in. It's the "I'm already way upside down in the car, so I need to finish it" mentality. It can happen with the flashy cars too, 50-70K in a restoration is not that unusual anymore.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 09:42 AM
I must have talked to a dozen members at York that took the cost is no object approach. One that comes to mind was a full, frame off on a 54 Champion 4 door. He was 20K in the car and had been putting off replating the chrome for obvious reasons. :)
It all started because he could not afford what was then a 3K C-K at the time, and bought his 4 door Champion for $250. It's a cycle many get caught up in. It's the "I'm already way upside down in the car, so I need to finish it" mentality. It can happen with the flashy cars too, 50-70K in a restoration is not that unusual anymore.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

tutone63
03-03-2008, 10:09 AM
My opinion was stated In the first York Pics thread. I love wagons, I think anyone that even has a chance of potential, as this one has, deserves to be saved. Back in the day, wagons were the minivans of today. People beat the tar out of them and then threw them away. This one has made it this far, why kill it now?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpg
She may have bugs and she may have dings, but that just proves I drive this thing!!

tutone63
03-03-2008, 10:09 AM
My opinion was stated In the first York Pics thread. I love wagons, I think anyone that even has a chance of potential, as this one has, deserves to be saved. Back in the day, wagons were the minivans of today. People beat the tar out of them and then threw them away. This one has made it this far, why kill it now?

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpg
She may have bugs and she may have dings, but that just proves I drive this thing!!

wpsrea
03-03-2008, 10:13 AM
John, I agree with what you have said and I have also seen the same hobbists that are upside down in their cars. When I read Bob's note, I took it as he was not going to be doing a show car out of it, but rather a respectable driver.

wpsrea
03-03-2008, 10:13 AM
John, I agree with what you have said and I have also seen the same hobbists that are upside down in their cars. When I read Bob's note, I took it as he was not going to be doing a show car out of it, but rather a respectable driver.

Guido
03-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Bob,

Given that the car was here in Richmond (Midlothian actually) there is a strong possibility that Leroy Cary made the patch panels. His follow the same patterns as the factory unlike the ones from Classic.

If you do plan to part it you may not have folks beating a path to your door. I have had a set of doors off a '66 wagon at York the past 2 years and only had one person even look at them. However, I did sell the left side NOS rocker this year.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

Guido
03-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Bob,

Given that the car was here in Richmond (Midlothian actually) there is a strong possibility that Leroy Cary made the patch panels. His follow the same patterns as the factory unlike the ones from Classic.

If you do plan to part it you may not have folks beating a path to your door. I have had a set of doors off a '66 wagon at York the past 2 years and only had one person even look at them. However, I did sell the left side NOS rocker this year.

Gary

http://thumb14.webshots.net/t/62/562/2/21/69/2353221690097493054hwathP_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/91/1/2433391010097493054nAMBKh_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/2/49/65/2603249650097493054XvpTUI_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/64/564/6/89/77/2752689770097493054skXzAT_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/22/22/0/2/68/2589002680097493054ftBuBw_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/28/28/8/30/30/2075830300097493054aSSlFv_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/24/565/5/22/8/2609522080097493054ZNRJeA_th.jpghttp://thumb14.webshots.net/t/69/169/4/66/56/2729466560097493054oBZsXT_th.jpg
Guido Salvage - "Where rust is beautiful"

Studebaker horse drawn doctor’s buggy; Studebaker horse drawn “Izzer” buggy; 1946 M-16 fire truck; 1948 M-16 grain truck; 1949 2R17A fire truck; 1950 2R5 pickup; 1952 2R17A grain truck; 1952 Packard 200 4 door; 1955 E-38 grain truck; 1957 3E-40 flatbed; 1961 6E-28 grain truck; 1962 7E-13D 4x4 rack truck; 1962 7E-7 Champ pickup; 1962 GT Hawk 4 speed; 1963 8E-28 flatbed; 1964 Avanti R2 4 speed; 1964 Cruiser and various other "treasures" (including a 1959 IH B-120 4 wheel drive, a 1970 Dodge W-200 Power Wagon and numerous Oliver and Cockshutt tractors).

See pictures here: http://community.webshots.com/user/GuidoSalvage

Hiding and preserving Studebakers in Richmond, Goochland & Louisa, Va.

JDP
03-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Just a comment on the brakes. it's not unusual to need to spend $500-$800 to do a disk brake car. If, as is typical, you need 4 calipers, that's $450, wheel cylinders are $150, master is $100, hoses $60, and add $250 if you need a booster rebuild. It's cheaper to do a Turner brake conversion in the long run.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-03-2008, 05:13 PM
Just a comment on the brakes. it's not unusual to need to spend $500-$800 to do a disk brake car. If, as is typical, you need 4 calipers, that's $450, wheel cylinders are $150, master is $100, hoses $60, and add $250 if you need a booster rebuild. It's cheaper to do a Turner brake conversion in the long run.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the comments. Interesting to hear the thumbs-down on it.

I can see your points. I'm always looking to save as many as possible, but I really was unsure when I looked at and bought it. I told George I was going to try to save it, but frankly it was 50-50. I paid $500 for it, and was already there with my dolly; so basically it was no cost for shipping. So I could certainly make some money parting it. I thought that power disc brake setup would be a nice addition to my Daytona project, and the 289 is a good piece. Also I've always intended to add a Wagonaire to my collection, so this could either be a resto candidate, or a parts car for a future Wagonaire purchase.

When I got it home and started looking it over a little better, I saw what I described above. While it looks horrendous at first glance, someone did start fixing it correctly. If I had to start from square one, it wouldn't be feasible. But the work on the driver's side is very professional, just short of show quality. The pieces are made for the pass. side already, pro-made on a brake. Two doors and the gate have one hole each in the outer skins, but each are solid and straight otherwise. Fenders and hood are really good.

I got a few minutes this afternoon and stuck a booster pack in it and filled the float bowl with gas, and turned the key. It never fired, but did move the oil press. gauge. Will look into spark next chance I get.

So what does this all add up to? I'm still thinking. I am leaning towards saving it, but would have no big problem parting it; just trying to decide the best plan. As wsprea observed, my intent if I do save it is to make it a driver for me or someone else. If it will run, I could maybe do brakes and used tires, clean it out and finish the floors, do carpet and seat covers, and pass it on like that. Or, I could finish the body and paint it; but then you get near the tipping point. Of course, that wouldn't matter if it's a keeper, and Linda's thinking about it instead of the Provincial... or is it in addition?

I'm sure someone will be anxious to tell me it's my car, my money; thanks, but that's obvious...[|)] But I welcome any more comments, pro or con!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the comments. Interesting to hear the thumbs-down on it.

I can see your points. I'm always looking to save as many as possible, but I really was unsure when I looked at and bought it. I told George I was going to try to save it, but frankly it was 50-50. I paid $500 for it, and was already there with my dolly; so basically it was no cost for shipping. So I could certainly make some money parting it. I thought that power disc brake setup would be a nice addition to my Daytona project, and the 289 is a good piece. Also I've always intended to add a Wagonaire to my collection, so this could either be a resto candidate, or a parts car for a future Wagonaire purchase.

When I got it home and started looking it over a little better, I saw what I described above. While it looks horrendous at first glance, someone did start fixing it correctly. If I had to start from square one, it wouldn't be feasible. But the work on the driver's side is very professional, just short of show quality. The pieces are made for the pass. side already, pro-made on a brake. Two doors and the gate have one hole each in the outer skins, but each are solid and straight otherwise. Fenders and hood are really good.

I got a few minutes this afternoon and stuck a booster pack in it and filled the float bowl with gas, and turned the key. It never fired, but did move the oil press. gauge. Will look into spark next chance I get.

So what does this all add up to? I'm still thinking. I am leaning towards saving it, but would have no big problem parting it; just trying to decide the best plan. As wsprea observed, my intent if I do save it is to make it a driver for me or someone else. If it will run, I could maybe do brakes and used tires, clean it out and finish the floors, do carpet and seat covers, and pass it on like that. Or, I could finish the body and paint it; but then you get near the tipping point. Of course, that wouldn't matter if it's a keeper, and Linda's thinking about it instead of the Provincial... or is it in addition?

I'm sure someone will be anxious to tell me it's my car, my money; thanks, but that's obvious...[|)] But I welcome any more comments, pro or con!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

LarkVIII
03-03-2008, 05:24 PM
I looked at it,but not under it. The doors are an easy fix. The rear was sagging,but the front was sitting right from what I saw. Check the door posts and the spare tire well for major rust. If the frame is solid it wouldn't take all that much to make a decent driver for a little sweat equity. Keep it in a dry place,Wagonaires leaked badly when they were new which is why so many rusted out at the pillars and front floors.

63VY4 Leakin' Lena Hagerstown MD

LarkVIII
03-03-2008, 05:24 PM
I looked at it,but not under it. The doors are an easy fix. The rear was sagging,but the front was sitting right from what I saw. Check the door posts and the spare tire well for major rust. If the frame is solid it wouldn't take all that much to make a decent driver for a little sweat equity. Keep it in a dry place,Wagonaires leaked badly when they were new which is why so many rusted out at the pillars and front floors.

63VY4 Leakin' Lena Hagerstown MD

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

If you do plan to part it you may not have folks beating a path to your door.

True; I was thinking the engine and the brake setup, and the Lark front fenders would be desirable. The rest would be saved for parts for a future, better Wagonaire.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:41 PM
quote:Originally posted by Guido

If you do plan to part it you may not have folks beating a path to your door.

True; I was thinking the engine and the brake setup, and the Lark front fenders would be desirable. The rest would be saved for parts for a future, better Wagonaire.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by LarkVIII

I looked at it,but not under it. The doors are an easy fix. The rear was sagging,but the front was sitting right from what I saw. Check the door posts and the spare tire well for major rust.

The frame and suspension looks good. It's not sagging; hard to tell from the pictures, but the rear's so low because the rear tires are super-small. First thing I looked at was the posts, and they're still pretty solid. No rust in the well.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-03-2008, 05:47 PM
quote:Originally posted by LarkVIII

I looked at it,but not under it. The doors are an easy fix. The rear was sagging,but the front was sitting right from what I saw. Check the door posts and the spare tire well for major rust.

The frame and suspension looks good. It's not sagging; hard to tell from the pictures, but the rear's so low because the rear tires are super-small. First thing I looked at was the posts, and they're still pretty solid. No rust in the well.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

8E45E
03-04-2008, 07:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
While it looks horrendous at first glance, someone did start fixing it correctly. But the work on the driver's side is very professional, just short of show quality. The pieces are made for the pass. side already, pro-made on a brake. Two doors and the gate have one hole each in the outer skins, but each are solid and straight otherwise. Fenders and hood are really good.



That comment right there convinces me it deserves to be saved.[^]

Craig

8E45E
03-04-2008, 07:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50
While it looks horrendous at first glance, someone did start fixing it correctly. But the work on the driver's side is very professional, just short of show quality. The pieces are made for the pass. side already, pro-made on a brake. Two doors and the gate have one hole each in the outer skins, but each are solid and straight otherwise. Fenders and hood are really good.



That comment right there convinces me it deserves to be saved.[^]

Craig

Avantidon
03-04-2008, 07:58 AM
Bob, there are always going to be those who look at these projects from the perspective of cost, i.e they don't want tto be upside down in a car because they may want to turn a profit on it. Of course that is one school of thought and they are entitled to that opinion. That specific attitude is why many salvageable cars end up as junk or parts. On the other hand solid cars such as your wagon deserve a very close look before deciding to trash the car as a parts car. Yes, it is expensive to restore vehicles but if there is a reason to do it do it. I deal with this everyday but many owners are interested in preserving the past without regard to cost and if they have the money to invest in a vehicle they will. That's the real decision do I want to spend the money. If you do then by all means do it and don't worry about being upside down in it. It is that attitude that saves cars that are getting harder and harder to find. Of course this is just my opinion.

Avantidon
03-04-2008, 07:58 AM
Bob, there are always going to be those who look at these projects from the perspective of cost, i.e they don't want tto be upside down in a car because they may want to turn a profit on it. Of course that is one school of thought and they are entitled to that opinion. That specific attitude is why many salvageable cars end up as junk or parts. On the other hand solid cars such as your wagon deserve a very close look before deciding to trash the car as a parts car. Yes, it is expensive to restore vehicles but if there is a reason to do it do it. I deal with this everyday but many owners are interested in preserving the past without regard to cost and if they have the money to invest in a vehicle they will. That's the real decision do I want to spend the money. If you do then by all means do it and don't worry about being upside down in it. It is that attitude that saves cars that are getting harder and harder to find. Of course this is just my opinion.

JDP
03-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Here's yet another school of thought. Those of us that consider the cost factor have enough money to save more cars in the long run. If I spent a year and 10K making $500 cars into $5000 cars I'd shortly be broke and unable to save more.

On the other hand, if I spend a month and $500 getting a 5K back on the road and make 2K for my labor, that money goes into buying and getting the next one back on the road. Even if I could afford to buy 15-25 Studebakers a year without running the numbers, I'd never have time for the rough cars.

We need both the kinds of folks, from those that spend 10 years on a project, to those that spend 10 days, we both get cars back into circulation.
If I had to "save" the Wagonaire, I'd get it running with driveway brakes and sell it to someone that has the time and money to do it right and move on to the next one, but that's just me.


JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Here's yet another school of thought. Those of us that consider the cost factor have enough money to save more cars in the long run. If I spent a year and 10K making $500 cars into $5000 cars I'd shortly be broke and unable to save more.

On the other hand, if I spend a month and $500 getting a 5K back on the road and make 2K for my labor, that money goes into buying and getting the next one back on the road. Even if I could afford to buy 15-25 Studebakers a year without running the numbers, I'd never have time for the rough cars.

We need both the kinds of folks, from those that spend 10 years on a project, to those that spend 10 days, we both get cars back into circulation.
If I had to "save" the Wagonaire, I'd get it running with driveway brakes and sell it to someone that has the time and money to do it right and move on to the next one, but that's just me.


JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

jnewkirk77
03-04-2008, 09:47 AM
JP, I don't know if anyone has publicly thanked you for all you do to get and keep Studes on the road, but here you go:

THANK YOU!!!

In my healthier days, I put some cars back on the road that everyone said were wastes of my time and money. Well, I didn't look at it that way. If I made a few bucks (and I did), I put it into the next project. I've done maybe 10 vehicles over the past 15 years. Not enough to make me rich, for sure, but I had a lot of fun doing it. Then, after I got sick and had to quit working, I figured I was done.

Well, after much doctoring and getting off the meds that made a zombie out of me, I now feel good enough to give it a shot at least one more time. But this one, I'm keeping. I don't know why, but I've always had a soft spot for the late-'80s Ford F-series pickups. As I mentioned earlier, my '87 F-150 was just a rusty old farm truck. But underneath all of the dirt, rust and mismatched spray paint, I could see a decent-looking old truck. I'm not going to turn it into a show truck, just preserve what's there and maybe improve it a bit.

Do I wish it was a Studebaker? Oh, absolutely! I'd have jumped on that Wagonaire Bob picked up at York in a heartbeat if this was six months ago. And it'd never leave my grasp. But I'm tied up in this one now, and don't have room for another project. But if I keep feeling as good as I do today ... well, I can't say I wouldn't do another "one more time" project. ESPECIALLY if it's a Studebaker. That might even cure what ails me. OK, it won't really (my case of spinal stenosis is the worst my neurologist has ever seen), but it would feel good to put a Stude of my own on the road, even if it's just an amateur job (and it would be).

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
03-04-2008, 09:47 AM
JP, I don't know if anyone has publicly thanked you for all you do to get and keep Studes on the road, but here you go:

THANK YOU!!!

In my healthier days, I put some cars back on the road that everyone said were wastes of my time and money. Well, I didn't look at it that way. If I made a few bucks (and I did), I put it into the next project. I've done maybe 10 vehicles over the past 15 years. Not enough to make me rich, for sure, but I had a lot of fun doing it. Then, after I got sick and had to quit working, I figured I was done.

Well, after much doctoring and getting off the meds that made a zombie out of me, I now feel good enough to give it a shot at least one more time. But this one, I'm keeping. I don't know why, but I've always had a soft spot for the late-'80s Ford F-series pickups. As I mentioned earlier, my '87 F-150 was just a rusty old farm truck. But underneath all of the dirt, rust and mismatched spray paint, I could see a decent-looking old truck. I'm not going to turn it into a show truck, just preserve what's there and maybe improve it a bit.

Do I wish it was a Studebaker? Oh, absolutely! I'd have jumped on that Wagonaire Bob picked up at York in a heartbeat if this was six months ago. And it'd never leave my grasp. But I'm tied up in this one now, and don't have room for another project. But if I keep feeling as good as I do today ... well, I can't say I wouldn't do another "one more time" project. ESPECIALLY if it's a Studebaker. That might even cure what ails me. OK, it won't really (my case of spinal stenosis is the worst my neurologist has ever seen), but it would feel good to put a Stude of my own on the road, even if it's just an amateur job (and it would be).

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

bams50
03-05-2008, 02:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig


Yes, it is! See my York album for pictures.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 02:12 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig


Yes, it is! See my York album for pictures.

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 03:12 PM
So- This one will be saved. I listened to what everyone said- thanks for ALL comments. I re-examined the car, and gave it plenty of thought. I took into consideration the cost to restore, parts needed, labor required, value of selling off parts, and value of the finished product. Having been watching for the last 3 years or so, I've seen VERY few Wagonaires for sale. There's one that's been on eBay a couple times, 350 Chevy, primered rat rod style, asking $10K. In 3 years I don't recall another in any condition. This one's much better than it looks, decently equipped with 289/auto/power brakes.

Next step will be to get it in the garage and completely clean it inside and out; and getting it running. If it runs and moves (which I think it will), I'll go through the brakes and clean the gas tank. Then maybe finish the patches in the floor on the right side, and see what I think then. Of course, if Momma wants it instead of the Provincial, then that's that!;)


Open letter to Gary Ash:

I know you told me without hesitation that this is a parts car, and I respect your opinion. Being off work today I went to your website. You wrote this on your page about your 63 Wagonaire:

"An orphan Studebaker ALWAYS deserves a good home and a caring touch."

I agree with that, of course. But most interesting was the fact that the car you're saving is in much worse shape than mine, and much less desirably equipped[:0] Yours is a Standard, 6 cyl. stick, fixed roof; mine appears to be a Regal, 289 auto., sliding roof. Floors done on one side, other is less rusted than yours; pillars are mostly solid, and are connected. All trim is usable, including bumpers. No dents. Yours does have better interior, but on balance I think mine is a better starting point than yours, and you're saving that one... so you tipped the scales and convinced me to save mine[^] Thanks!!:D


Three questions:

1. This says 63V-P4 on the underhood tag. Does that mean V=289 and P4=Regal?

2. What makes one of these a Daytona, besides the side trim?

3. Does anyone have a set of Daytona trim for this that they'd like to sell?

Thanks again for any responses!


Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 03:12 PM
So- This one will be saved. I listened to what everyone said- thanks for ALL comments. I re-examined the car, and gave it plenty of thought. I took into consideration the cost to restore, parts needed, labor required, value of selling off parts, and value of the finished product. Having been watching for the last 3 years or so, I've seen VERY few Wagonaires for sale. There's one that's been on eBay a couple times, 350 Chevy, primered rat rod style, asking $10K. In 3 years I don't recall another in any condition. This one's much better than it looks, decently equipped with 289/auto/power brakes.

Next step will be to get it in the garage and completely clean it inside and out; and getting it running. If it runs and moves (which I think it will), I'll go through the brakes and clean the gas tank. Then maybe finish the patches in the floor on the right side, and see what I think then. Of course, if Momma wants it instead of the Provincial, then that's that!;)


Open letter to Gary Ash:

I know you told me without hesitation that this is a parts car, and I respect your opinion. Being off work today I went to your website. You wrote this on your page about your 63 Wagonaire:

"An orphan Studebaker ALWAYS deserves a good home and a caring touch."

I agree with that, of course. But most interesting was the fact that the car you're saving is in much worse shape than mine, and much less desirably equipped[:0] Yours is a Standard, 6 cyl. stick, fixed roof; mine appears to be a Regal, 289 auto., sliding roof. Floors done on one side, other is less rusted than yours; pillars are mostly solid, and are connected. All trim is usable, including bumpers. No dents. Yours does have better interior, but on balance I think mine is a better starting point than yours, and you're saving that one... so you tipped the scales and convinced me to save mine[^] Thanks!!:D


Three questions:

1. This says 63V-P4 on the underhood tag. Does that mean V=289 and P4=Regal?

2. What makes one of these a Daytona, besides the side trim?

3. Does anyone have a set of Daytona trim for this that they'd like to sell?

Thanks again for any responses!


Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

gordr
03-05-2008, 03:34 PM
One other point that hasn't been touched on: so far this discussion seems to be sort of polarized between the "part it out" camp, and the "restore to concours" camp. There's no question a concours restoration on that Wagonaire will cost a pretty penny. OTOH, for a handy guy like Bob, it won't cost an arm and a leg to finish the floor repairs, doctor up the body a bit, and hang a coat of paint on it...or send the prepped car to Maaco. That, a JP interior, and some re-chromed bumpers, and the old darling will be a sharp-looking unit again.

A "functional restoration" like that will at least keep the car in the land of the living for a few more years, and perhaps some time in the future it will be passed on to someone who wants a solid base for a concours job. Left to rot, that Wagonaire will be reduced to Hyundais and razor blades.

BTW, Bob: one of the reasons Wagonaires rusted so badly was that the drain tubes at EACH END of the sliding roof tracks terminate in rubber hoses that simply dangle inside the rear quarter panel and in the rocker panel under the "B" pillar. In each case, you can punch/drill a hole in the inner vertical wall of the area in question, find the dangling hose, and fish it out through the hole, so it can drain rain water on the ground. Doesn't hurt to blow the hoses out with compressed air once in a while, either.

Otherwise, the drain channels fill up with water and crud, and slosh over the front end on a hard stop, right onto your shoulder. Then strangers will look at you sorrowfully, and offer their sincere condolences for the loss of your pet parrot, which they believe to have died from terminal diarrhoea.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
03-05-2008, 03:34 PM
One other point that hasn't been touched on: so far this discussion seems to be sort of polarized between the "part it out" camp, and the "restore to concours" camp. There's no question a concours restoration on that Wagonaire will cost a pretty penny. OTOH, for a handy guy like Bob, it won't cost an arm and a leg to finish the floor repairs, doctor up the body a bit, and hang a coat of paint on it...or send the prepped car to Maaco. That, a JP interior, and some re-chromed bumpers, and the old darling will be a sharp-looking unit again.

A "functional restoration" like that will at least keep the car in the land of the living for a few more years, and perhaps some time in the future it will be passed on to someone who wants a solid base for a concours job. Left to rot, that Wagonaire will be reduced to Hyundais and razor blades.

BTW, Bob: one of the reasons Wagonaires rusted so badly was that the drain tubes at EACH END of the sliding roof tracks terminate in rubber hoses that simply dangle inside the rear quarter panel and in the rocker panel under the "B" pillar. In each case, you can punch/drill a hole in the inner vertical wall of the area in question, find the dangling hose, and fish it out through the hole, so it can drain rain water on the ground. Doesn't hurt to blow the hoses out with compressed air once in a while, either.

Otherwise, the drain channels fill up with water and crud, and slosh over the front end on a hard stop, right onto your shoulder. Then strangers will look at you sorrowfully, and offer their sincere condolences for the loss of your pet parrot, which they believe to have died from terminal diarrhoea.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

JBOYLE
03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr Then strangers will look at you sorrowfully, and offer their sincere condolences for the loss of your pet parrot, which they believe to have died from terminal diarrhoea.
Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands


Then you have to take it back to the English pet store where you bought it.
They won't be happy.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

JBOYLE
03-05-2008, 03:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr Then strangers will look at you sorrowfully, and offer their sincere condolences for the loss of your pet parrot, which they believe to have died from terminal diarrhoea.
Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands


Then you have to take it back to the English pet store where you bought it.
They won't be happy.


63 Avanti R1 2788
1914 Stutz Bearcat
(George Barris replica)

Washington State

jnewkirk77
03-05-2008, 04:20 PM
As I understand it, the V on the body tag is there on ALL V8 models, Bob. P4 would be a Regal.

Daytonas have the nicer side trim, as you mentioned, and higher-level seat upholstery. Carpet, too, IIRC, whereas a Regal would likely have a rubber mat. (I think I'm right on that. I hope I am.)

Glad you decided to "go for it" and resurrect what I think will be a really pleasant little wagon. If your Wagonaire and my F-150 could talk, we'd probably hear a great big "Thank You" from each of them!

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

jnewkirk77
03-05-2008, 04:20 PM
As I understand it, the V on the body tag is there on ALL V8 models, Bob. P4 would be a Regal.

Daytonas have the nicer side trim, as you mentioned, and higher-level seat upholstery. Carpet, too, IIRC, whereas a Regal would likely have a rubber mat. (I think I'm right on that. I hope I am.)

Glad you decided to "go for it" and resurrect what I think will be a really pleasant little wagon. If your Wagonaire and my F-150 could talk, we'd probably hear a great big "Thank You" from each of them!

Jacob Newkirk - Owensboro, KY

KEEP AMERICA BEAUTIFUL! Drive a Studebaker!

bams50
03-05-2008, 05:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

One other point that hasn't been touched on: so far this discussion seems to be sort of polarized between the "part it out" camp, and the "restore to concours" camp. There's no question a concours restoration on that Wagonaire will cost a pretty penny. OTOH, for a handy guy like Bob, it won't cost an arm and a leg to finish the floor repairs, doctor up the body a bit, and hang a coat of paint on it...or send the prepped car to Maaco. That, a JP interior, and some re-chromed bumpers, and the old darling will be a sharp-looking unit again.

A "functional restoration" like that will at least keep the car in the land of the living for a few more years, and perhaps some time in the future it will be passed on to someone who wants a solid base for a concours job. Left to rot, that Wagonaire will be reduced to Hyundais and razor blades.



I re-read my posts on this thread and saw that I forgot to articulate that this is EXACTLY the type of thing I'm planning! I have Larks; and I realize that while I love them, they're never going to justify concours restoring. More valuable cars will get more extensive restorations- Avantis, r2 cars, GHs, etc. But I doubt these will ever justify that much work.

My view of these cars is preservation. I do think they deserve preservation and are worth saving. So my plan is to do what is needed to stop further deterioration, and make them able to be driven and enjoyed. Sometime in the future myself, or someone else, may want one to do a Concours restoration on. My stuff will have been preserved and survived, so that they'll be available for future enthusiasts. My father had a Duesenberg when he was a teenager that he DROVE to the city dump because it needed cosmetics and no one wanted it and he didn't think anyone ever would... he never got over that[xx(]

My stuff will come out very nice as drivers. If I need a Concours car I'll buy one somebody else has done. Till then I'm just looking to keep these things in existence![^]

Thanks Gord for helping me clarify my thoughts- and for the info about the drain tubes[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 05:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by gordr

One other point that hasn't been touched on: so far this discussion seems to be sort of polarized between the "part it out" camp, and the "restore to concours" camp. There's no question a concours restoration on that Wagonaire will cost a pretty penny. OTOH, for a handy guy like Bob, it won't cost an arm and a leg to finish the floor repairs, doctor up the body a bit, and hang a coat of paint on it...or send the prepped car to Maaco. That, a JP interior, and some re-chromed bumpers, and the old darling will be a sharp-looking unit again.

A "functional restoration" like that will at least keep the car in the land of the living for a few more years, and perhaps some time in the future it will be passed on to someone who wants a solid base for a concours job. Left to rot, that Wagonaire will be reduced to Hyundais and razor blades.



I re-read my posts on this thread and saw that I forgot to articulate that this is EXACTLY the type of thing I'm planning! I have Larks; and I realize that while I love them, they're never going to justify concours restoring. More valuable cars will get more extensive restorations- Avantis, r2 cars, GHs, etc. But I doubt these will ever justify that much work.

My view of these cars is preservation. I do think they deserve preservation and are worth saving. So my plan is to do what is needed to stop further deterioration, and make them able to be driven and enjoyed. Sometime in the future myself, or someone else, may want one to do a Concours restoration on. My stuff will have been preserved and survived, so that they'll be available for future enthusiasts. My father had a Duesenberg when he was a teenager that he DROVE to the city dump because it needed cosmetics and no one wanted it and he didn't think anyone ever would... he never got over that[xx(]

My stuff will come out very nice as drivers. If I need a Concours car I'll buy one somebody else has done. Till then I'm just looking to keep these things in existence![^]

Thanks Gord for helping me clarify my thoughts- and for the info about the drain tubes[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

So- Having been watching for the last 3 years or so, I've seen VERY few Wagonaires for sale. There's one that's been on eBay a couple times, 350 Chevy, primered rat rod style, asking $10K. In 3 years I don't recall another in any condition.



And right on cue, just a short time after this post, one pops up on ebay, 4 day listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-Studebaker-Wagonaire-V8-Engine-Fun-to-Drive_W0QQitemZ130203432498QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

It'll be interesting to see what it does... should at least get the opener of a grand, I would think....

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-05-2008, 09:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by bams50

So- Having been watching for the last 3 years or so, I've seen VERY few Wagonaires for sale. There's one that's been on eBay a couple times, 350 Chevy, primered rat rod style, asking $10K. In 3 years I don't recall another in any condition.



And right on cue, just a short time after this post, one pops up on ebay, 4 day listing:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-Studebaker-Wagonaire-V8-Engine-Fun-to-Drive_W0QQitemZ130203432498QQihZ003QQcategoryZ6466QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

It'll be interesting to see what it does... should at least get the opener of a grand, I would think....

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Swifster
03-05-2008, 11:27 PM
There was a beautiful '65 Wagonaire on Ebay about 6 months ago with a $20K reserve. While nice, I just don't see it as a $20K car. But then again, if you start with a lesser car, it would easily cost over $20K to get to the same point. After buying my Daytona in CA, I can only say I'll never start with a rusty car again. While I would like a Wagonaire some day, it will come from the west.

Bob, I wish you well with that car. I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.

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Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

Swifster
03-05-2008, 11:27 PM
There was a beautiful '65 Wagonaire on Ebay about 6 months ago with a $20K reserve. While nice, I just don't see it as a $20K car. But then again, if you start with a lesser car, it would easily cost over $20K to get to the same point. After buying my Daytona in CA, I can only say I'll never start with a rusty car again. While I would like a Wagonaire some day, it will come from the west.

Bob, I wish you well with that car. I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

bams50
03-06-2008, 04:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.



UH OH.... Then DON'T look at the bottom of your posts...!:(

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-06-2008, 04:47 AM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.



UH OH.... Then DON'T look at the bottom of your posts...!:(

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Swifster
03-06-2008, 08:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50


quote:Originally posted by Swifster

I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.



UH OH.... Then DON'T look at the bottom of your posts...!:(



Bob, that Daytona has no rust. I guess I should say that the Fury was a complete basketcase hauled out of a ditch in Trenton, MI. I had to cut out the tail panel beecause the rear reinforcements had holes large enough to push tennis balls into. I can count on my hand how many bolts didn't break during disassembly. With only 371 of those cars built, and mine being close to the end (built May 30, 1971), I thought it was worth it. But it was a long 7 years and a lot of work. Might do it again for an R2 car or a GH400 (or a '64 convertible), but that's it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking your plans. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to do it again. Why fix rust if you don't have to? The only exterior panel I need to replace on my Daytona is the left fender because of prior collision damage.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

Swifster
03-06-2008, 08:04 AM
quote:Originally posted by bams50


quote:Originally posted by Swifster

I've gone the full restoration route once on a '71 Plymouth Sport Fury GT and can only say...never again.



UH OH.... Then DON'T look at the bottom of your posts...!:(



Bob, that Daytona has no rust. I guess I should say that the Fury was a complete basketcase hauled out of a ditch in Trenton, MI. I had to cut out the tail panel beecause the rear reinforcements had holes large enough to push tennis balls into. I can count on my hand how many bolts didn't break during disassembly. With only 371 of those cars built, and mine being close to the end (built May 30, 1971), I thought it was worth it. But it was a long 7 years and a lot of work. Might do it again for an R2 car or a GH400 (or a '64 convertible), but that's it.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking your plans. I'm just saying I wouldn't want to do it again. Why fix rust if you don't have to? The only exterior panel I need to replace on my Daytona is the left fender because of prior collision damage.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tom - Valrico, FL

1964 Studebaker Daytona - 289 4V, 4-Speed (Cost To Date: $1755.45)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/rollingpi.gif http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/01-01-05TheStartingPoint.jpg http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/Swifster/The%20Daytona%20File/Avatar%20Size/07-17-07FrontClipRemoved.jpg

george o
03-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Has it run yet?

Title is straight and on its way to you Monday

Take Care

George

george o
03-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Has it run yet?

Title is straight and on its way to you Monday

Take Care

George

Johnnywiffer
03-14-2008, 01:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by bams50

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/yorkaire1.jpg




Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig


Here is another one at SB last year.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/8A.jpg

John

Johnnywiffer
03-14-2008, 01:20 PM
quote:Originally posted by 8E45E


quote:Originally posted by bams50

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/yorkaire1.jpg




Are my deceiving me, or is that REALLY a Packard Clipper made into a truck in the background???!?

Craig


Here is another one at SB last year.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/8A.jpg

John

mbstude
03-14-2008, 02:55 PM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/8A.jpg


I just have to ask...


WHY!?:D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

mbstude
03-14-2008, 02:55 PM
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s311/johnnywiffer/8A.jpg


I just have to ask...


WHY!?:D

Matthew Burnette
'59 Scotsman
'63 Daytona
Hazlehurst, GA
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j209/mbstude/avatar-8.jpg

avantilover
03-14-2008, 04:15 PM
Perhaps it's like the one a Studebaker member from Victoria made- the rear body was rusted the front OK so he turned it into a ute.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

avantilover
03-14-2008, 04:15 PM
Perhaps it's like the one a Studebaker member from Victoria made- the rear body was rusted the front OK so he turned it into a ute.

John Clements
Avantilover, your South Australian Studebaker lover!!!
Lockleys South Australia

tutone63
03-14-2008, 04:53 PM
My question is why keep the back door openable? Maybe to load flat items under the box? Actually, in retrospect, if my 84 elcamino had a little door next to the "under box" storage compartment, I could have used it a bit easier...as opposed to moving the seat up and down.

Well, now, It looks like I answered my own question...odd.[:I]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpg
She may have bugs and she may have dings, but that just proves I drive this thing!!

tutone63
03-14-2008, 04:53 PM
My question is why keep the back door openable? Maybe to load flat items under the box? Actually, in retrospect, if my 84 elcamino had a little door next to the "under box" storage compartment, I could have used it a bit easier...as opposed to moving the seat up and down.

Well, now, It looks like I answered my own question...odd.[:I]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh54/tutone63/63larkside-1.jpg
She may have bugs and she may have dings, but that just proves I drive this thing!!

bondobilly
03-15-2008, 07:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

There was a beautiful '65 Wagonaire on Ebay about 6 months ago with a $20K reserve. While nice, I just don't see it as a $20K car.
Last year a woman sent me a photo of the most beautiful Wagonaire I have ever seen. She wanted some of our "garage shirts". Along with the exterior shot, there were photos of the interior and engine compartment. THAT car would bring the $20K or more. Amazing

bondobilly
03-15-2008, 07:08 PM
quote:Originally posted by Swifster

There was a beautiful '65 Wagonaire on Ebay about 6 months ago with a $20K reserve. While nice, I just don't see it as a $20K car.
Last year a woman sent me a photo of the most beautiful Wagonaire I have ever seen. She wanted some of our "garage shirts". Along with the exterior shot, there were photos of the interior and engine compartment. THAT car would bring the $20K or more. Amazing

bams50
03-16-2008, 07:32 AM
Good to know, Bill. Where did you get a headliner?

Do you have a photo album online anywhere? Would love to see any pictures you have of your car!

EDIT: Was directed at Captain Billy; but would love any pics of anyone's Wagonaire that would be willing to share!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-16-2008, 07:32 AM
Good to know, Bill. Where did you get a headliner?

Do you have a photo album online anywhere? Would love to see any pictures you have of your car!

EDIT: Was directed at Captain Billy; but would love any pics of anyone's Wagonaire that would be willing to share!

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 07:51 AM
Bob,
I redid my 64 Wagonaire last year, baggies full of parts from one end of the garage to the other, I'm still amazed they all ended back in the right places. All the weatherseals were available, including those for the roof, you will need to replace the roller parts used to slide the roof forward and aft as well as up into the closed position, for this I used shower door rollers with stainless steel bearings, slides with ease. Do take note of the roof sections at the back and make sure they are parallel before paint, otherwise you will have gaps. I am picking up some 65 wagoniare parts in a few weeks, I don't know if there will be anything you can use.
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 07:51 AM
Bob,
I redid my 64 Wagonaire last year, baggies full of parts from one end of the garage to the other, I'm still amazed they all ended back in the right places. All the weatherseals were available, including those for the roof, you will need to replace the roller parts used to slide the roof forward and aft as well as up into the closed position, for this I used shower door rollers with stainless steel bearings, slides with ease. Do take note of the roof sections at the back and make sure they are parallel before paint, otherwise you will have gaps. I am picking up some 65 wagoniare parts in a few weeks, I don't know if there will be anything you can use.
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

lstude
03-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Bob, go to Webshots.com and put in Studebaker Wagonaire or click on this link:

http://www.webshots.com/search?query=studebaker+wagonaire&new=1&source=chromeheader

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
03-16-2008, 08:51 AM
Bob, go to Webshots.com and put in Studebaker Wagonaire or click on this link:

http://www.webshots.com/search?query=studebaker+wagonaire&new=1&source=chromeheader

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

kelmbaker
03-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Check out John Van Winkle's post selling his '62 Wagon on Studebaker Swap page right now. Nicest guy in the world. John's from New Mexico. Asking $5000, and if I know John's cars, the car is beautiful.....haven't seen this one though. Just a four door wagon, but worth a look. KM

Kelly J. Marion

kelmbaker
03-16-2008, 11:53 AM
Check out John Van Winkle's post selling his '62 Wagon on Studebaker Swap page right now. Nicest guy in the world. John's from New Mexico. Asking $5000, and if I know John's cars, the car is beautiful.....haven't seen this one though. Just a four door wagon, but worth a look. KM

Kelly J. Marion

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 12:00 PM
Bob,
When I redid my wagon I removed the original head liner sections from the mid and rear they are in pretty good condition and reusable but I choose to use a similar perforated material as used in 1962 and other Hawks. This was the material they used on the front section of the roof liner prior to my purchasing the car.
And here we go.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto003-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto002-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/FloorPans020.jpg
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 12:00 PM
Bob,
When I redid my wagon I removed the original head liner sections from the mid and rear they are in pretty good condition and reusable but I choose to use a similar perforated material as used in 1962 and other Hawks. This was the material they used on the front section of the roof liner prior to my purchasing the car.
And here we go.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto003-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StudieResto002-1.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/FloorPans020.jpg
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

bams50
03-16-2008, 02:40 PM
That headlier looks great, Bill! Mine has the original- some awful-looking cardboard type material...

What holds yours in- glued to hardboard or the like?

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-16-2008, 02:40 PM
That headlier looks great, Bill! Mine has the original- some awful-looking cardboard type material...

What holds yours in- glued to hardboard or the like?

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 02:55 PM
Hey Bob,
I use mahogany door skin, great stuff for mock ups and inexpensive backer material.
I just recieved an email from a guy who has '65' wagonaire parts
One of the items is a complete roof rack, all stantions and battons.
I don't know of the condition the photo's are a little wanting.
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

Captain Billy
03-16-2008, 02:55 PM
Hey Bob,
I use mahogany door skin, great stuff for mock ups and inexpensive backer material.
I just recieved an email from a guy who has '65' wagonaire parts
One of the items is a complete roof rack, all stantions and battons.
I don't know of the condition the photo's are a little wanting.
Bill

WP FOY, Ontario
1964 Wagonaire Slider
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z252/caprisx/StAndrews07136.jpg

bams50
03-17-2008, 04:51 AM
I sure would love a roof rack for mine; wouldn't need to be perfect...

Let me know if it comes up for sale.

And, great tip on the headliner... something to think about[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-17-2008, 04:51 AM
I sure would love a roof rack for mine; wouldn't need to be perfect...

Let me know if it comes up for sale.

And, great tip on the headliner... something to think about[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-24-2008, 06:51 PM
UPDATE-

Weather's been crappy, and time short; but had a few minutes this afternoon to putz around. A couple previous quick tries failed to produce fire. Cleaned the points but they looked a little worn, so I stopped there.

Today I put in new points and condenser. Only set of feelers I found had a .016 and .019, so I went with a l o o s e 16;). Put the rotor and cap back on, filled the carb. float bowl with gas, hit the key and she fired right up![^] Smoothed right out, no smoke or lifter noise, oil pressure gauge showed 3/4 (about 60 PSI). Even the exhaust is quiet! Trans. went right into gear and moved back and forth.

There's nothing like awakening a long-silent engine[8D] I swear, this car is actually asking me to save her!:)

George sent me the corrected title, and a copy of the original title. He also sent me a letter he got from the daughter of the original owner that said in part:

I went to the SDC website and found the pics and discussion on the Wagonaire. I had not seen the car in probably 20 years, so it was emotional for me. I have so many memories of that car. Our father taught (sister) and I both to drive on that car and also two of (sister)'s girlfriends.

I am so happy to have it being taken care of. My father would be so pleased.

To this lady (I won't post your name unless you want): Your Dad's Wagonaire may be showing it's age a little now, but it's in caring hands, and will receive a new life- and continue to be loved[^] Please feel more than welcome to keep an eye open here, and participate if you like. If you'd like to stay in touch with me directly, you can e-mail me at bams50@msn.com any time, and I'll always be glad to respond, and keep you updated as progress is made!

Studebakers are great therapy for me[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

bams50
03-24-2008, 06:51 PM
UPDATE-

Weather's been crappy, and time short; but had a few minutes this afternoon to putz around. A couple previous quick tries failed to produce fire. Cleaned the points but they looked a little worn, so I stopped there.

Today I put in new points and condenser. Only set of feelers I found had a .016 and .019, so I went with a l o o s e 16;). Put the rotor and cap back on, filled the carb. float bowl with gas, hit the key and she fired right up![^] Smoothed right out, no smoke or lifter noise, oil pressure gauge showed 3/4 (about 60 PSI). Even the exhaust is quiet! Trans. went right into gear and moved back and forth.

There's nothing like awakening a long-silent engine[8D] I swear, this car is actually asking me to save her!:)

George sent me the corrected title, and a copy of the original title. He also sent me a letter he got from the daughter of the original owner that said in part:

I went to the SDC website and found the pics and discussion on the Wagonaire. I had not seen the car in probably 20 years, so it was emotional for me. I have so many memories of that car. Our father taught (sister) and I both to drive on that car and also two of (sister)'s girlfriends.

I am so happy to have it being taken care of. My father would be so pleased.

To this lady (I won't post your name unless you want): Your Dad's Wagonaire may be showing it's age a little now, but it's in caring hands, and will receive a new life- and continue to be loved[^] Please feel more than welcome to keep an eye open here, and participate if you like. If you'd like to stay in touch with me directly, you can e-mail me at bams50@msn.com any time, and I'll always be glad to respond, and keep you updated as progress is made!

Studebakers are great therapy for me[^]

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

"With your Lark you're on your own, free as a bird, alive as a Lark. You've suddenly discovered that parking is a pleasure, traffic is a breeze, turning's no trick at all, and happiness is a thing called Larking!"

george o
03-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Congrats on getting it running. I had a feeling it wouldn't too bad.

Glad the paperwork worked out and please keep us posted on the progress.

Take Care

George[8D]

george o
03-24-2008, 07:40 PM
Congrats on getting it running. I had a feeling it wouldn't too bad.

Glad the paperwork worked out and please keep us posted on the progress.

Take Care

George[8D]