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wmsteve
03-02-2008, 12:41 AM
Ok. I've been through "Studebaker's Finest" (Great book!) but, he dosen't show it. I've been through the parts book and they give the number, but no drawings... the reason for all this is; I have a oil bath on my 1953 14G-C3, Champion Coupe, and I can't seem to fit a modern day 6 volt, 100 amp, battery into the battery box without hitting the hood when down!? Is it the air cleaner that intrudes on the left side? The existing box has been homebuilt and sits forward and lower...?

A fellow SDC'er took his time and effort to send me some photos of an original mount (Thank You!) and it seems to mount way too high, and close, to the O.D. relay on the firewall?

The battery that I have mesures: 12&3/8 long, 6&3/4 wide and 8&3/8 high. This seems to be the standard... now-days... or am I being mis-led? Were Willard's different?

Also, were there cool lables and stuff, on the air cleaners- anywhere in the engine compartment- that came with Stude's at the time?

Thanks for any in-put, and keep driving them!!!

Steve

P.S. What is a very good battery box and top hold-down worth? I don't want to rip-off a fellow Stude member...

gordr
03-02-2008, 02:30 AM
The oil bath air filter for a '53 Champion coupe is an upright cylindrical can that sits near the distributor, and has an elbow that reaches across the top of the engine to the carb. It is narrow enough that it does not interfere with the battery box.

I don't have a six-volt battery here with me, but I think the standard size battery, which you CAN still get, is less than a foot long. You might have got the next size up, as used in trucks.

Price of a battery box? Anywhere from $1 to $50, depending on who's selling, and who's buying. I could see a regular vendor asking close to the latter figure for one that's cleaned and painted, because of the labor involved in prepping and stocking it. Maybe closer to the lower figure if you get it from a fellow collector to whom it is unwanted surplus. I don't think you'd be out of line to offer your buddy $20 for it.

Decals and stickers? Absolutely. Go the home page for this Forum, and follow the links to the vendors page. Are you an SDC member? Members get the monthly club magazine, Turning Wheels, and every month sees a number of vendor ads, and things like stickers and decals are usually very much in evidence. If you are not an SDC member, you can join on-line, again by going to the home page of this Forum.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
03-02-2008, 02:30 AM
The oil bath air filter for a '53 Champion coupe is an upright cylindrical can that sits near the distributor, and has an elbow that reaches across the top of the engine to the carb. It is narrow enough that it does not interfere with the battery box.

I don't have a six-volt battery here with me, but I think the standard size battery, which you CAN still get, is less than a foot long. You might have got the next size up, as used in trucks.

Price of a battery box? Anywhere from $1 to $50, depending on who's selling, and who's buying. I could see a regular vendor asking close to the latter figure for one that's cleaned and painted, because of the labor involved in prepping and stocking it. Maybe closer to the lower figure if you get it from a fellow collector to whom it is unwanted surplus. I don't think you'd be out of line to offer your buddy $20 for it.

Decals and stickers? Absolutely. Go the home page for this Forum, and follow the links to the vendors page. Are you an SDC member? Members get the monthly club magazine, Turning Wheels, and every month sees a number of vendor ads, and things like stickers and decals are usually very much in evidence. If you are not an SDC member, you can join on-line, again by going to the home page of this Forum.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

bkz81
03-02-2008, 03:06 AM
Can't speak for the battery box, but it would appear that the battery hold down is priceless.........

bkz81
03-02-2008, 03:06 AM
Can't speak for the battery box, but it would appear that the battery hold down is priceless.........

StudeRich
03-02-2008, 11:34 AM
Are you SURE you have a 3 cell 6 Volt Battery? That thing is a MONSTER![:0]

The 6 Volt battery that many Chevy's, Plymouth's, all Studebaker's used was a Group 1 standard size, 9 in. long, 6 3/4 in. wide, and 7 3/4 in. High the Ford/Mercury/Lincoln Batt. was a Group 2 which is larger, but NOT 12 in.! [:0]

The prob. I usually have is finding a Group 1 that was not made Amperage wise for a VW, because those are the largest user of that size now-days and they do not require as many Amps/Amp Hours/Cranking Amps as a Studebaker.

Many Farm Supply stores in rural areas have tractor Batteries with more power in Group 1 size. Also your local Interstate Battery dealer will have them.:)

There is absolutely nothing unusual about a Studebaker Battery or a Willard!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

StudeRich
03-02-2008, 11:34 AM
Are you SURE you have a 3 cell 6 Volt Battery? That thing is a MONSTER![:0]

The 6 Volt battery that many Chevy's, Plymouth's, all Studebaker's used was a Group 1 standard size, 9 in. long, 6 3/4 in. wide, and 7 3/4 in. High the Ford/Mercury/Lincoln Batt. was a Group 2 which is larger, but NOT 12 in.! [:0]

The prob. I usually have is finding a Group 1 that was not made Amperage wise for a VW, because those are the largest user of that size now-days and they do not require as many Amps/Amp Hours/Cranking Amps as a Studebaker.

Many Farm Supply stores in rural areas have tractor Batteries with more power in Group 1 size. Also your local Interstate Battery dealer will have them.:)

There is absolutely nothing unusual about a Studebaker Battery or a Willard!

StudeRich
Studebakers Northwest
Ferndale, WA

55s
03-02-2008, 11:49 AM
The six volt battery you get should have 550 to 600 Cold Cranking Amps.

PAul R

55s
03-02-2008, 11:49 AM
The six volt battery you get should have 550 to 600 Cold Cranking Amps.

PAul R

lstude
03-02-2008, 01:40 PM
Here is a picture of a 53 Champion oil bath air cleaner.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/53Champion2drsedanengine.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

lstude
03-02-2008, 01:40 PM
Here is a picture of a 53 Champion oil bath air cleaner.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/LHSJR/53Champion2drsedanengine.jpg

Leonard Shepherd
http://leonardshepherd.com/

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p235/lstude1/MeatSouthBendsm1.jpg

rockne10
03-02-2008, 02:13 PM
...and a Group 1 six-volt battery with proper hold-down!

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

rockne10
03-02-2008, 02:13 PM
...and a Group 1 six-volt battery with proper hold-down!

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/Rockne/th_Rocknegauges.jpg'33 Rockne 10, '51 Commander Starlight, '53 Commander Starlight

tbredehoft
03-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Steve's working with a C- K, a coupe, not a sedan. Battery is farther back, don't know about air filters on a six in the coupe. But the battery is still a Group 1. You can fit a six volt Optima in the standard battery box diagonally.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan (Under Construction) 122 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

tbredehoft
03-02-2008, 03:59 PM
Steve's working with a C- K, a coupe, not a sedan. Battery is farther back, don't know about air filters on a six in the coupe. But the battery is still a Group 1. You can fit a six volt Optima in the standard battery box diagonally.

[img=left]http://www.alink.com/personal/tbredehoft/Bothcars4.jpg[/img=left]
Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan (Under Construction) 122 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

rockne10
03-02-2008, 05:04 PM
Steve,

All those "cool labels" are available from many of our great vendors.
Are you a member of SDC and receive TURNING WHEELS magazine?

rockne10
03-02-2008, 05:04 PM
Steve,

All those "cool labels" are available from many of our great vendors.
Are you a member of SDC and receive TURNING WHEELS magazine?

wmsteve
03-04-2008, 11:02 PM
Hi everyone! What a great response. Thank You!!! Been out-of-town so, been a "bit" delayed...
So, I've got too big of a battery, figures,(took the bigger is more route)... Istudes's pictures tell me all now.
Yes I'm a member again,long story. Will check-out the lable stuff. As to the FAIR price for a box and hold down,
I guess $20.00 for the box and, $20.00 for the top? He needs car money too... ain't rich but...SDC honest.

wmsteve
03-04-2008, 11:02 PM
Hi everyone! What a great response. Thank You!!! Been out-of-town so, been a "bit" delayed...
So, I've got too big of a battery, figures,(took the bigger is more route)... Istudes's pictures tell me all now.
Yes I'm a member again,long story. Will check-out the lable stuff. As to the FAIR price for a box and hold down,
I guess $20.00 for the box and, $20.00 for the top? He needs car money too... ain't rich but...SDC honest.