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boomer
03-01-2008, 12:41 PM
I recently purchased ( e-Bay) a 1957 Silver Hawk with fins deleted. Same rear fenders/trunk as 1956 Hawks ( other than Golden Hawk)
The original production order which I just received makes no (?)reference to this body style.
I once heard that Hawks sold to Europe were less the fins, however,prod. order indicates Oakland,CA as destination.
Unfortunately, the seller only purchased this car to resell (e-Bay) and had no real history to provide me.
Any input regarding "fin-delete" Hawks will be appreciated.
Thank you

tbredehoft
03-01-2008, 01:05 PM
My guess would be someone removed the fins, liking the '56 form better.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan (Under Construction) 122 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

tbredehoft
03-01-2008, 01:05 PM
My guess would be someone removed the fins, liking the '56 form better.

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Tom Bredehoft
'53 Commander Coupe
'55 President State Sedan (Under Construction) 122 hrs.
'05 Legacy Ltd Wagon
All Indiana built cars

wagone
03-01-2008, 01:26 PM
IMHO (for what its worth............VERY little), be HAPPY. I was never enamored of the finned Hawks, myself. Looks better without the "appendages" and less to rust. VERY likely that a former owner removed them. Let's hope filling the holes and rust repair was properly done. There was a black Hawk with "fin delete" on eBay a few monthe ago.....it looked pretty nice. Is this the one?

wagone and the old R2 Avanti

wagone
03-01-2008, 01:26 PM
IMHO (for what its worth............VERY little), be HAPPY. I was never enamored of the finned Hawks, myself. Looks better without the "appendages" and less to rust. VERY likely that a former owner removed them. Let's hope filling the holes and rust repair was properly done. There was a black Hawk with "fin delete" on eBay a few monthe ago.....it looked pretty nice. Is this the one?

wagone and the old R2 Avanti

boomer
03-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Yes, it was the Black 57 Hawk listed on e-Bay in December, from Memphis,TN..
Turned out to be a fantastic deal, car is extremely nice inside and out and runs quite well.
There is no sign of any bodywork being done, looks like came that way from the factory. Thanks for your inputs.

boomer
03-01-2008, 02:24 PM
Yes, it was the Black 57 Hawk listed on e-Bay in December, from Memphis,TN..
Turned out to be a fantastic deal, car is extremely nice inside and out and runs quite well.
There is no sign of any bodywork being done, looks like came that way from the factory. Thanks for your inputs.

boomer
03-01-2008, 02:33 PM
Forgot to add- I, too,never liked the "stuck-on" fins and would not have purchased this one if it had them. My all-time favorite is the 53 coupe. ( like my very first car, way back in 1958)hardtop.

boomer
03-01-2008, 02:33 PM
Forgot to add- I, too,never liked the "stuck-on" fins and would not have purchased this one if it had them. My all-time favorite is the 53 coupe. ( like my very first car, way back in 1958)hardtop.

Retired
03-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Could the rear fenders been replaced with '53-'55's ?

Retired
03-01-2008, 02:52 PM
Could the rear fenders been replaced with '53-'55's ?

wagone
03-01-2008, 03:16 PM
What was different about the early fenders compared to the "fin" type (with the fins added)? It would be as much work to replace the fenders as to fill the holes (attachment points for the fins) and repair the rust. I think the fenders were the same--just lacked the holes for the fins. I think that is one thing I never liked about the finned cars. At one glance you could see that the fins were added to the originals. My first Stude was a '54 coupe and the lines were...........stupendous. There recently was a light blue '53 on eBay (hardtop, I think) which was removed before the auction end.........someone must have bought it locally. I wonder.. how..... much....it.....sold....for?

wagone

wagone

wagone
03-01-2008, 03:16 PM
What was different about the early fenders compared to the "fin" type (with the fins added)? It would be as much work to replace the fenders as to fill the holes (attachment points for the fins) and repair the rust. I think the fenders were the same--just lacked the holes for the fins. I think that is one thing I never liked about the finned cars. At one glance you could see that the fins were added to the originals. My first Stude was a '54 coupe and the lines were...........stupendous. There recently was a light blue '53 on eBay (hardtop, I think) which was removed before the auction end.........someone must have bought it locally. I wonder.. how..... much....it.....sold....for?

wagone

wagone

StudHawk60
03-01-2008, 04:01 PM
I just want to chime in and say that I LOVE the tailfins![8D] Different strokes..........

StudHawk60
03-01-2008, 04:01 PM
I just want to chime in and say that I LOVE the tailfins![8D] Different strokes..........

blackhawk61
03-01-2008, 04:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60

I just want to chime in and say that I LOVE the tailfins![8D] Different strokes..........
.

Me too !;)

1961 Hawk 4BC,4-SPEED,TT
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/chevpartsman/61HawkChevypartsmanreduce.jpg
Ken Byrd
Lewisville,NC

blackhawk61
03-01-2008, 04:11 PM
quote:Originally posted by StudHawk60

I just want to chime in and say that I LOVE the tailfins![8D] Different strokes..........
.

Me too !;)

1961 Hawk 4BC,4-SPEED,TT
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q55/chevpartsman/61HawkChevypartsmanreduce.jpg
Ken Byrd
Lewisville,NC

wagone
03-01-2008, 04:25 PM
VERY true. That's why we have choices. Maybe...........had they not been tacked on. As they say: "you pays 'you' money and you 'takes you' choice". If I was younger, I'd have to have a 53-'55 Loewy/Bourke coupe/hardtop. Years ago I had a '61 4-speed Hawk and longer ago even than that I had a '54 coupe.......and for my money...... But as I've said the years keep slipping by.

wagone

wagone
03-01-2008, 04:25 PM
VERY true. That's why we have choices. Maybe...........had they not been tacked on. As they say: "you pays 'you' money and you 'takes you' choice". If I was younger, I'd have to have a 53-'55 Loewy/Bourke coupe/hardtop. Years ago I had a '61 4-speed Hawk and longer ago even than that I had a '54 coupe.......and for my money...... But as I've said the years keep slipping by.

wagone

boomer
03-01-2008, 06:18 PM
Very, very nice car,- Blackhawk61
For the "Fin" lovers, there is currently a nice 61 Black Hawk with Chev. 350/350 for $14K on e-Bay, might even have gone for this myself had I not found the 57 first. Let's face it- "finned" or not, all 53-64 coupes/hardtops were the most beautiful cars ever produced.

boomer
03-01-2008, 06:18 PM
Very, very nice car,- Blackhawk61
For the "Fin" lovers, there is currently a nice 61 Black Hawk with Chev. 350/350 for $14K on e-Bay, might even have gone for this myself had I not found the 57 first. Let's face it- "finned" or not, all 53-64 coupes/hardtops were the most beautiful cars ever produced.

N8N
03-01-2008, 09:14 PM
all fenders 53-61 AFAIK are the same except for the holes for the fins. The 62-64 fenders are very similar but have a slightly different shape above the taillight (they'll work fine on finned Hawks but not on 53-56 cars.) Looks like 55-56 taillights would bolt right on, or even 57-61 taillights might look OK without the fin chrome. (I thought about trying them on my '55 just to be different and to get rid of the VW backup lights I hung under the bumper - I do not like the stock '55 backup lights on the trunk lid, and the '56 ones are expen$ive! - but I haven't fallen into a cheap set yet and I think I finally have a decent pair of '55-56 housings.) Are there filled holes in the body panel next to the trunk for the inner fin retainer strip? That might give you a clue as to the car's history.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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N8N
03-01-2008, 09:14 PM
all fenders 53-61 AFAIK are the same except for the holes for the fins. The 62-64 fenders are very similar but have a slightly different shape above the taillight (they'll work fine on finned Hawks but not on 53-56 cars.) Looks like 55-56 taillights would bolt right on, or even 57-61 taillights might look OK without the fin chrome. (I thought about trying them on my '55 just to be different and to get rid of the VW backup lights I hung under the bumper - I do not like the stock '55 backup lights on the trunk lid, and the '56 ones are expen$ive! - but I haven't fallen into a cheap set yet and I think I finally have a decent pair of '55-56 housings.) Are there filled holes in the body panel next to the trunk for the inner fin retainer strip? That might give you a clue as to the car's history.

nate

--
55 Commander Starlight
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boomer
03-01-2008, 11:11 PM
N8N- No visible signs of filled holes. Taillights resemble '55 or '56 models.
Don't know how to distinguish differences ( if any) between 55 and 56 taillights. My conclusions- either no fin mounting holes originally or beyond perfect bodywork........ Thanks for your input. Dennis

boomer
03-01-2008, 11:11 PM
N8N- No visible signs of filled holes. Taillights resemble '55 or '56 models.
Don't know how to distinguish differences ( if any) between 55 and 56 taillights. My conclusions- either no fin mounting holes originally or beyond perfect bodywork........ Thanks for your input. Dennis

klifton1
03-01-2008, 11:42 PM
The only taillight housing that is different for the 55 & 56, C & K is the Golden Hawk.
Klif
55 Speedster

klifton1
03-01-2008, 11:42 PM
The only taillight housing that is different for the 55 & 56, C & K is the Golden Hawk.
Klif
55 Speedster

studegary
03-02-2008, 01:51 PM
My opinion is that the rear quarters were changed to 1953-1955 units sometime in the life of the car. Keep in mind that these quarters are bolt on parts. To disagree with an earlier poster - I believe that it would take much less labor to bolt on new quarters than to properly fill rust and fin mounting holes. Remember that we used to buy these quarters NOS for $20.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

studegary
03-02-2008, 01:51 PM
My opinion is that the rear quarters were changed to 1953-1955 units sometime in the life of the car. Keep in mind that these quarters are bolt on parts. To disagree with an earlier poster - I believe that it would take much less labor to bolt on new quarters than to properly fill rust and fin mounting holes. Remember that we used to buy these quarters NOS for $20.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

SDC member since 1968
Studebaker enthusiast much longer

boomer
03-02-2008, 03:32 PM
To all who have so kindly replied, Thank you !
I also asked the same question in an e-mail to John Poulos, he requested all data from the factory build sheet and will provide me with an answer shortly.
I will share his findings with all concerned. Again, I thank you all !

Dennis ( Boomer)

boomer
03-02-2008, 03:32 PM
To all who have so kindly replied, Thank you !
I also asked the same question in an e-mail to John Poulos, he requested all data from the factory build sheet and will provide me with an answer shortly.
I will share his findings with all concerned. Again, I thank you all !

Dennis ( Boomer)

JDP
03-02-2008, 04:07 PM
If the built sheet does not have some sort of notation, the fins were removed at some point. (my bet) Maybe rusty rear quarters were replaced and the fins left off. Get in the trunk, on your back and look up at the filler panel between the trunk amd the rear quarters and look for filled molding holes.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-02-2008, 04:07 PM
If the built sheet does not have some sort of notation, the fins were removed at some point. (my bet) Maybe rusty rear quarters were replaced and the fins left off. Get in the trunk, on your back and look up at the filler panel between the trunk amd the rear quarters and look for filled molding holes.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

60studehawk
03-02-2008, 08:02 PM
the fins get my vote too.

Jeff Sheaffer
60 Hawk
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/60studehawk/jeffs60hawk.jpg

60studehawk
03-02-2008, 08:02 PM
the fins get my vote too.

Jeff Sheaffer
60 Hawk
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t73/60studehawk/jeffs60hawk.jpg

boomer
03-04-2008, 01:51 AM
To JDP, I didn't recognize your earlier posted reply as I only knew you by other screen names "goldenhawk" ( e-bay) or "avanti" stude.com webmaster name.
I just joined the SDC and have much to learn.
Did you get my e-mail reply ( sent to avanti@erols.net) listing all the alpha/numeric codes
from build sheet ?
There is no text regarding deleted fins on build sheet. Meanwhile, I will do the back
flip into the trunk as you suggested. Thank you .


Dennis ( Boomer)

boomer
03-04-2008, 01:51 AM
To JDP, I didn't recognize your earlier posted reply as I only knew you by other screen names "goldenhawk" ( e-bay) or "avanti" stude.com webmaster name.
I just joined the SDC and have much to learn.
Did you get my e-mail reply ( sent to avanti@erols.net) listing all the alpha/numeric codes
from build sheet ?
There is no text regarding deleted fins on build sheet. Meanwhile, I will do the back
flip into the trunk as you suggested. Thank you .


Dennis ( Boomer)

JDP
03-04-2008, 09:44 AM
I did not get your mail because I'm at erols.com, not erols.net. BTW, you are doing just fine and again, welcome to the forum.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-04-2008, 09:44 AM
I did not get your mail because I'm at erols.com, not erols.net. BTW, you are doing just fine and again, welcome to the forum.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

boomer
03-04-2008, 12:41 PM
Investigation complete ! There are filled holes in the filler panel as you suggested.
Thank you very much. Regarding the build sheet, I have identified all codes except 2: T 5474A RDV 24, and XAC 2841. Offhand, do you know what these 2 codes designate? Thanks again !

Dennis ( Boomer)

boomer
03-04-2008, 12:41 PM
Investigation complete ! There are filled holes in the filler panel as you suggested.
Thank you very much. Regarding the build sheet, I have identified all codes except 2: T 5474A RDV 24, and XAC 2841. Offhand, do you know what these 2 codes designate? Thanks again !

Dennis ( Boomer)

JDP
03-04-2008, 12:47 PM
That makes more sense then it being a factory job because that big a modification would show up on the build sheet. It's easy to replace the quarters and leave the fins off, but not so with the filler panel.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

JDP
03-04-2008, 12:47 PM
That makes more sense then it being a factory job because that big a modification would show up on the build sheet. It's easy to replace the quarters and leave the fins off, but not so with the filler panel.

JDP/Maryland
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Daytona HT/4 speed
63 Lark 2 door
57 Wagon

60Lark
03-04-2008, 12:56 PM
I to vote for the finless version

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Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
56 Power Hawk
Phil Hendrickson
Arnold, Missouri

60Lark
03-04-2008, 12:56 PM
I to vote for the finless version

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Studebaker Fever
60 Lark
56 Power Hawk
Phil Hendrickson
Arnold, Missouri

boomer
03-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Guess I need to post pix of my 57 finless beauty for the fin fans !:D

Dennis ( Boomer)

boomer
03-04-2008, 02:21 PM
Guess I need to post pix of my 57 finless beauty for the fin fans !:D

Dennis ( Boomer)