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rayoung55
08-15-2018, 03:16 PM
We have a '53 Starliner which has sagging doors. I'm looking for the front cross member that goes from below the door hinges on each side and travels from one side to the other. I think they are often referred to as a "bat wing" cross member.

The doors on our car sag, and have been told that this will help alleviate the problem.

If you have one, or know of someone who does, you can contact me at wyostude at yahoo dot com. Or at 307-399-4881. We live in Black Hawk, SD and often travel to Sioux Falls and SE Wyoming or the front range in Colorado.

Thanks for your help!!

Alan
08-15-2018, 08:35 PM
Ray, This is not a bolt in affair. There are 2 brackets with 4 rivets each, on each side of the frame that have to be removed. The 53 hog troughs do not have a captive nut that corresponds to the end of the wing. And some of these crazies are asking more for these wings than I have payed for running cars.
This is the bracket that has to be removed.

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studegary
08-15-2018, 08:46 PM
Check the base of the A-pillar. That is usually a problem area causing sagging doors.

3x2stude
08-15-2018, 10:59 PM
I have a 53 "C" body road racer build planned and am going to use GT torque boxes to stiffen it up. I am not familiar with the difference that may exist in the torque box between the 53 to 54 and up. Other "K" body guys can chime in on that. The 53 not yet modified "C" body that has some rust but the "A" pillars are sound. The doors close like a bank vault. It has no torque boxes but the "B" pillar adds considerable strength. You may need to do some structural mods to add the fastener but I think it can be done. Not a simple bolt in though.

How solid is the car's body and frame structure?

JK

bensherb
08-16-2018, 12:39 AM
We put a wing on our '53 coupe about 30 years ago but I don't remember it being any problem at all. Certainly nothing to be concerned about.

Ok, now, what are these "Torque boxes" I hear about? The only difference I can see in the floors of our '53 and '62 is the size and shape of the rear floor well and the size of the tunnel. The rocker areas are virtually identical and not significantly different from any other car I've been under that has a roof. Yes, convertables and fiberglass bodied cars are different. Oh, and VW's and Porche's...the real ones anyway, not sure about the water pumpers, never had one around.

3x2stude
08-18-2018, 05:26 PM
The torque boxes pick up the load for the lack of a "B" pillar in all K bodies. They also gave somewhere to attach the bottom of the rocker panel unlike C body where it's just hanging out there. Classic Enterprises has repops for the 62 - 64 GT Hawks. Check their web site.

JK

sweetolbob
08-18-2018, 08:57 PM
We have a '53 Starliner which has sagging doors. I'm looking for the front cross member that goes from below the door hinges on each side and travels from one side to the other. I think they are often referred to as a "bat wing" cross member.

The doors on our car sag, and have been told that this will help alleviate the problem.

If you have one, or know of someone who does, you can contact me at wyostude at yahoo dot com. Or at 307-399-4881. We live in Black Hawk, SD and often travel to Sioux Falls and SE Wyoming or the front range in Colorado.

Thanks for your help!!

If you can't find one or they are out of sight costwise, here's a pix from Bob Johnstone's site. With this as a guide and a few pictures, you might be able to fab one yourself.

AYK, it spans from door post to door post and is connected to the frame so a good approximation should be fine.

http://www.studebaker-info.org/Tech/Diagrams/frames/CK-FRAM.JPG

Bob

barry gibbons
08-26-2018, 08:19 PM
I.S. has one but you have too ask them to look for it. I was going to buy it but was able to get mine welded
Barry

bensherb
08-27-2018, 12:01 AM
I looked under our '53 today, and the "wing" was a simple bolt in. We cut or modified nothing to install it.

As it turns out I was mistaken as to the rockers of our '53 and '62. The '53 is a simple exterior sheet metal panel. The '62 does have an inner rocker like any other car, it has no "torque box" or anything one might call a torque box. The inner rocker can be purchased from Classic Enterprises. https://www.classicent.com/studebaker/coupes-hawks (about 1/3 the way down the page)

gordr
08-27-2018, 12:28 AM
I have a good one, came from a C-body Hawk, and also one or two rusted ones which could be quite readily repaired.

barry gibbons
08-28-2018, 10:06 AM
Again I got my letters wrong. The part is at SI Studebaker International

jimmijim8
09-04-2018, 10:31 AM
I looked under our '53 today, and the "wing" was a simple bolt in. We cut or modified nothing to install it.

As it turns out I was mistaken as to the rockers of our '53 and '62. The '53 is a simple exterior sheet metal panel. The '62 does have an inner rocker like any other car, it has no "torque box" or anything one might call a torque box. The inner rocker can be purchased from Classic Enterprises. https://www.classicent.com/studebaker/coupes-hawks (about 1/3 the way down the page) 62's have torque boxes. jimmijim

bensherb
09-04-2018, 11:59 AM
No torque box, whatever that is. Just an inner rocker like every other car made.
https://www.classicent.com/images/custom/studebaker/studebaker-inner-rockers.gif
https://www.classicent.com/studebaker/coupes-hawks

Call it what you like, but it's anything but a hog trough, maybe a chicken feeder.:lol:


https://countrysidenetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/poultry-feed-formulation.jpg

Hog trough
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB14cn.JVXXXXaRXXXXq6xXFXXXw/-font-b-Animal-b-font-Stainless-Steel-Automatic-Drinking-Tank-Drinking-font-b-Trough-b.jpg

showbizkid
09-04-2018, 12:08 PM
Guys, please post wants in the General board only. Tech Talk is for solving problems, not seeking parts. Thanks.