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Pckstude
06-13-2018, 09:37 PM
Hi, I may have posted this before, but here I go again. I have a '65 Wagonaire that originally had a 3 on the tree with o/d. That system was removed in favor of putting a Chevy bell housing, and Chevy transmission thus converting it to a floor shift.
So my question is, what do I need to return the drive back to original?
Will a bell housing from previous years Larks fit on the Chevy 283? Or is the '65 & '66 bell housing different?
In essence, I figure that I will need every thing from the engine back, including the fly wheel, and possibly the drive shaft.
Would also need the shifting linkage. The steering column with its shifting mechanisim was left intact. A o/d cable would be needed too.

64V-K7
06-14-2018, 05:16 AM
The bellhousing you need was a special casting used mainly by the Checker Cab Co, when they were using Studebaker frames. They were also on RQA Avantis (1966-70). Probably quite a rarity now..

Pckstude
06-14-2018, 09:51 PM
RAQ? I'm not familiar with that term.

StudeNorm
06-14-2018, 11:28 PM
The RQA is the first digits in the serial number of an Avanti II. It used a lot of old original Stude stuff. The bell housing is a Stude special casting and is not so easy to find. I appreciate that you want to convert BACK to original and I suppose finding the old original parts from your car isn't going to happen so be patient, keep a big bag of money handy and make all the right inquiries to the parts vendors, Studebaker Swap Pages and wherever else you can think of to find said scarce parts. Good luck.

gordr
06-15-2018, 01:15 AM
You could also look for a Chevy Saginaw 3-speed with overdrive, install that, and few people would know it was not stock. And I think some of those Saginaws had syncro low gear, too. I see the odd one at swap meets. The OD parts are standard Warner gear stuff, so the Studebaker OD accessories will work.

r1lark
06-15-2018, 05:35 AM
The bellhousing you need was a special casting used mainly by the Checker Cab Co, when they were using Studebaker frames.

I had never heard before that Checkers used Studebaker frames. Details please.

64V-K7
06-15-2018, 06:51 AM
I had never heard before that Checkers used Studebaker frames. Details please.

Yes, this statement has to be straightened out. It wasn't frames they used, rather the PowerShift (type) or FMX type transmissions in 65/66. They were using the GM 327/350 engines in their cabs. I have a 70 RQA and the original drivetrain was an FMX with a Powershift quadrant behind a 350/300 SBC.

Pckstude
06-15-2018, 09:50 PM
Thanks! That's a good idea. But what do I do for shift linkage?

StudeRich
06-16-2018, 03:45 PM
Just modify your Borg Warner 3 Speed O.D. Shift Levers to fit the GM Trans. if you can cut and weld, if not they have to be made.

studebakerkid
06-17-2018, 01:30 PM
Boy you guys are so wrong. 65 Studebakers used a standard GM bell housing with an adapter plate for the Borgwarner manual transmission. The BW transmission had a special input shaft with the GM size pilot and clutch splines. If I was you I would look for GM five speed transmission to get Overdrive or a Gm three speed OD. The five speed would be the easiest as you do not need the clutch hydraulics so you have a wider selection of years for the transmission. I converted my 65 to a Saginaw three speed back back in 1982. Still have the adapter sitting in my Studebaker stuff.

Pckstude
06-20-2018, 10:45 PM
Thanks kid. I will add it to my list of possiblities.

r1lark
06-21-2018, 06:03 PM
Boy you guys are so wrong. 65 Studebakers used a standard GM bell housing with an adapter plate for the Borgwarner manual transmission. The BW transmission had a special input shaft with the GM size pilot and clutch splines.

Studebakerkid, I agree that an adapter was used on the tranny end of the bellhousing to adapt the T96 transmission to the 194 GM six cylinder. But this thread is discussing a 283 V8. I don't believe there was any adapter used for the V8s. If you could provide the Studebaker part number for an adapter that adapts a T86 transmission to a Chevy bellhousing, I would appreciate that.

studebakerkid
06-29-2018, 12:48 AM
R1lark I can take a photo of it if you want because I was looking at the adapter plate a couple hours ago just before i put a OHV head, rockers, cover and distrib on my elevator. The adapter plate will do you no good without the modified input shaft that was made for this specific application and I converted the input shaft from my old transmission into a clutch alignment tool more then three deckades ago so it will not work as an input shaft.


1563831 is the part number on the adapter plate.