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StoneDog
06-10-2018, 06:44 PM
This is on Hemmings today:

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/studebaker/daytona/2121150.html

It's an auction item, but the auction page says they expect $20-26,000. As close to perfect as you can get?

8E45E
06-10-2018, 06:46 PM
And its a late example, too!

Craig

Bish
06-10-2018, 07:23 PM
I judged this car last year at Stowe, VT. The only thing I remember being off was a crooked left front headlight bezel. A very nice car!

studegary
06-10-2018, 07:40 PM
That does appear to be an excellent car with automatic, V8, power steering and power disc brakes. It could just use air conditioning added.
Does it have an extra crossmember added to the frame, or am I just forgetting that tubular piece by the rear of the transmission?
I am not a "player" at that price for a Lark-type.
I do like the Monte Carlo and Superbird that they are also selling.

8E45E
06-10-2018, 07:51 PM
Does it have an extra crossmember added to the frame, or am I just forgetting that tubular piece by the rear of the transmission?

That tubular crossmember is correct. I believe it is part number 1563727.

Craig

2R5
06-10-2018, 07:53 PM
The white paint is too white and the vinyl top is not correct.
This car originally was Grundys secretary’s car it was originally arctic white , white vinyl top and white interior . I helped Ray Martin load it on a trailer when he brought it home to work on , it sure didn’t look like this that day !

StudeRich
06-10-2018, 08:10 PM
The 1966's were Astra White (a Gray White) not much Yellow in it, and not too far from what it is, the Black Vinyl sure does look better than the White one on a White car.

2R5
06-10-2018, 08:16 PM
The 1966's were Astra White (a Gray White) not much Yellow in it, and not too far from what it is, the Black Vinyl sure does look better than the White one on a White car.

sorrybRich but they were arctic white .

Skybolt
06-11-2018, 12:04 AM
I dont care. This is the car I would hot rod, sorry purists. As a Studebaker of 66, and no indiana foundry supplied V8's available, I would do what I believe is needed, IMHO, put a Stude V8 back in it, an R2 at the least, but an R3 or R4 would do. That's it, all the latest from Studebaker and the best engines they supplied. Why not?

I had the opportunity to buy a 64 with an R4, I passed because it had racing history and I didn't want to change history, as I would have.

Len

Warren Webb
06-11-2018, 12:53 AM
My 66 is this car's cousin but I, like Len, have changed it to a 327 4 speed. Rich know's how a white car with a white roof looks as he remembers my car when it was new. The next time I do the roof it's getting a black top, originality be damned!

Mike Sal
06-11-2018, 06:11 AM
Is this car already in the daytona registry?

Warren Webb
06-11-2018, 07:18 AM
Is this car already in the daytona registry?

Yes it is. I'd like to see some pictures of the rear, primarily the deck lid fit as my lid has good gaps but sticks out almost 1/4" instead of even with the right tail lamp.

Stu Chapman
06-11-2018, 08:11 AM
The white paint is too white and the vinyl top is not correct.
This car originally was Grundys secretary’s car it was originally arctic white , white vinyl top and white interior . I helped Ray Martin load it on a trailer when he brought it home to work on , it sure didn’t look like this that day !

We are fortunate to still have members like 2R5 whose recall memory is still sharp. Thank you Bob. Your comments also twigged my memory about this car. It came off the line on February 4th 1966 having been built for Studebaker fleet leasing. Back in those days senior management and field personnel were consigned company cars. Middle management and senior supervisors were eligible to drive a car from the fleet leasing program. Phyllis Blair indeed was Gordon Grundy's secretary and this car was leased to her. Interestingly, Mrs. Blair was considered middle management and was the only female in the corporation who had a company car.

By the way our leasing program allowed eligible employees to lease any model they wanted and a base Commander only cost about $18 a month. And Studebaker paid the insurance and maintenance cost. I talked about this program in an article I wrote for Turning Wheels about the Studebaker company cars back in 2012.

If I remember correctly, i think this car was owned by Ontario and Hamilton Chapter member Paul Revelle prior to coming into the hands of Ray Martin and Bob Barrick. From that point on I lost track of it. Perhaps Bob can shed some light on its restoration history and how it ended up in Vermont.

Stu Chapman

2R5
06-11-2018, 09:08 AM
[QUOTE=Stu Chapman;1113616]We are fortunate to still have members like 2R5 whose recall memory is still sharp. Thank you Bob. Your comments also twigged my memory about this car. It came off the line on February 4th 1966 having been built for Studebaker fleet leasing. Back in those days senior management and field personnel were consigned company cars. Middle management and senior supervisors were eligible to drive a car from the fleet leasing program. Phyllis Blair indeed was Gordon Grundy's secretary and this car was leased to her. Interestingly, Mrs. Blair was considered middle management and was the only female in the corporation who had a company car.

By the way our leasing program allowed eligible employees to lease any model they wanted and a base Commander only cost about $18 a month. And Studebaker paid the insurance and maintenance cost. I talked about this program in an article I wrote for Turning Wheels about the Studebaker company cars back in 2012.

If I remember correctly, i think this car was owned by Ontario and Hamilton Chapter member Paul Revelle prior to coming into the hands of Ray Martin and Bob Barrick. From that point on I lost track of it. Perhaps Bob can shed some light on its restoration history and how it ended up in Vermont.

Stu Chapman[/QUOTE

Stu I knew you’d chime in with Grundys sect. name . Yes you are correct in that Ray bought the car from the Revelle herd , in fact Ray bought two 66 Daytona s from Paul , a green one that ended up scrapped out for parts and this white one . Ray I guess didn’t like all the white and made it his way , at least the car got restored because it was in very bad shape when we got it from Paul . I give Ray much credit for saving this car because most would have just parted it out . It needed a new frame and also got a body transplant along the way . This was Rays last total restoration he’s done and as most know Ray probably has owned 30+ Studebakers and maybe 20 of those were total restorations . Ray is still dabbling in Studebakers somewhat but as far as restorations go I think this one was and will be his last total restoration due to health issues. By the way Stu , Ray sold it to this fella in Vermont.

bjackameit
06-11-2018, 08:09 PM
This is on Hemmings today:

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/studebaker/daytona/2121150.html

It's an auction item, but the auction page says they expect $20-26,000. As close to perfect as you can get?

That is a very nice car -- with some interesting history -- but while it might bring something in that price range at auction, it seems like a high price to me -- have I totally lost touch?

doublefeature56
06-11-2018, 08:34 PM
I posted pics of the other (black) sport sedan on here today. I will have it on bringatrailer by the end of the week in a no reserve auction. It's always been garaged and has just 23,394 actual miles. 73154

55s
06-11-2018, 09:12 PM
Yes, the 1966 white/white top/white interior car was sold by me and was loaded with all options and was a low 20K mile example. I also helped get it on the trailer. I knew that it was going to a good home with Ray Martin. I also provided the basic story of it being the former secretary's car - I believe more research was done by Ray on that.

I also had a green 1966 that I knew was in bad shape, but it did have most options. They were both sold for what I considered to be a fair price - a bit more than a late model V8 rear differential price. We had some fun with the green one - Bob gave it a shove onto the car trailer with my 1964 Massey Ferguson front end loader.

Its "Studebaker Fun" memories like this that add to the excitement of the quest and the hobby.

I still have many Studes and parts available. (Shameless plug.) Let me know what you need. I am in downsizing mode. (PS - no "e" at the end of my last name)

2R5
06-12-2018, 04:28 PM
I posted pics of the other (black) sport sedan on here today. I will have it on bringatrailer by the end of the week in a no reserve auction. It's always been garaged and has just 23,394 actual miles. 73154

I sure like your car !

thunderations
06-12-2018, 05:28 PM
Going to watch this closely and hope they pull some high numbers.
I'm seriously considering parting with Number One 66 Daytona in the near future and this could spur me on.
Have several projects to complete while I'm still young enough to drive and enjoy them. Otherwise there will be some fun projects for sale too.
Just put the 66 away for the summer while we travel and will get it out sometime in October and make some decisions.
Keep talking about downsizing the herd, but every time I sell one, two more show up. Guess I'm doing it wrong, but this hobby didn't come with explicit instructions.

allen04084
07-11-2018, 08:10 AM
Thanks for all the great information on this car. It has quite a restoration history. Since I live in Maine, I plan on attending the Transportation Museum Auction in August. I may try to get in touch with the current owner for a look prior. Not a big fan of bidding on something I haven't had the chance to drive first!

2R5
07-11-2018, 08:52 AM
We are fortunate to still have members like 2R5 whose recall memory is still sharp. Thank you Bob. Your comments also twigged my memory about this car. It came off the line on February 4th 1966 having been built for Studebaker fleet leasing. Back in those days senior management and field personnel were consigned company cars. Middle management and senior supervisors were eligible to drive a car from the fleet leasing program. Phyllis Blair indeed was Gordon Grundy's secretary and this car was leased to her. Interestingly, Mrs. Blair was considered middle management and was the only female in the corporation who had a company car.

By the way our leasing program allowed eligible employees to lease any model they wanted and a base Commander only cost about $18 a month. And Studebaker paid the insurance and maintenance cost. I talked about this program in an article I wrote for Turning Wheels about the Studebaker company cars back in 2012.

If I remember correctly, i think this car was owned by Ontario and Hamilton Chapter member Paul Revelle prior to coming into the hands of Ray Martin and Bob Barrick. From that point on I lost track of it. Perhaps Bob can shed some light on its restoration history and how it ended up in Vermont.

Stu Chapman

Here is a picture of what the car looked like when Ray picked the car up .I took this picture that day , I remember it was a chore getting at the car to load onto his trailer .

73767

allen04084
07-11-2018, 10:24 AM
Thanks 2R5 - now my curiosity is really piqued! That photo may have been too much information, though - just kidding!! LOL!!

thunderations
07-11-2018, 11:21 AM
Ahh, but remember the "Ugly duckling" story.
Thanks 2R5 - now my curiosity is really piqued! That photo may have been too much information, though - just kidding!! LOL!!

2R5
07-11-2018, 11:38 AM
Thanks 2R5 - now my curiosity is really piqued! That photo may have been too much information, though - just kidding!! LOL!!

Alllen , don’t let that photo scare you from buying that car , there isn’t much besides the motor train that was used in the end . The frame was toast so Ray used a new frame ( and I mean “new” ) also he bought a good body from Ed George from the Chicago area for the car . Hope you post some results from the auction .

allen04084
07-12-2018, 06:39 AM
Thanks 2R5, I still plan to check it out and will report results back here - doesn't scare me at all!

Thanks again! Tim

Jerry Forrester
07-12-2018, 07:03 AM
Both of the '66's in this thread are very nice cars. I would not mind owning and driving either of them, and I'm not a Lark type of guy (I consider them parts cars)
But the question rises it's ugly head again, if the frame is swapped and the body is swapped, is it still the same car?
It wouldn't make any difference to me, but to some it would.

studegary
07-12-2018, 12:02 PM
Both of the '66's in this thread are very nice cars. I would not mind owning and driving either of them, and I'm not a Lark type of guy (I consider them parts cars)
But the question rises it's ugly head again, if the frame is swapped and the body is swapped, is it still the same car?
It wouldn't make any difference to me, but to some it would.

Reminds me of the story of Abe Lincoln's axe - the head has been replaced twice and the handle has been replaced three times.

It seems to me that the interior is also different in the subject car, as well as the body and chassis. It is sort of like defining a car by the drivetrain alone.

Was the Serial Number plate transferred over with the correct style of rivet?

2R5
07-12-2018, 12:20 PM
Was the Serial Number plate transferred over with the correct style of rivet?[/QUOTE]

good point Gary .......the serial plate was transferred but not with correct rivets

thunderations
07-12-2018, 01:25 PM
Shouldn't the vin plate be welded on? What about the hidden frame number on the rear cross member? I have mixed feelings about replacing so many components, but it saved a fairly rare car and nobody is trying to pass it off as a low mileage survivor, 400 point show car.

Was the Serial Number plate transferred over with the correct style of rivet?

good point Gary .......the serial plate was transferred but not with correct rivets[/QUOTE]

2R5
07-12-2018, 01:35 PM
Not sure when exactly they started using those special rivets but I know our ‘65 wagon has them and also the ‘66 models were riveted.

8E45E
07-12-2018, 01:59 PM
1965 was the first year they used the Rosette rivets, as well as 'Vehicle Identification No.' in place of 'Serial Number'.

Craig