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larkvi
10-09-2006, 05:57 PM
After two unsuccessful eBay auctions, I finally broke down and submitted an ad via e-mail for my '63 Lark to the TW editors. I sent the ad on October 1 with a goal of having the ad appear in the December issue (deadline for ad sumbission was Oct. 1). I have not received confirmation or billing information (the ad should be my "freebie" plus the cost of a photo) from the editors since.

I did not receive an error message indicating that the message was not received. Calls I have made have not been returned as the editors' answering machine is full. I just sent a follow-up e-mail in an effort to confirm receipt.

Has anyone run into these communications issues with the editors before? Does anyone know if they are away or otherwise unavailable?

Thanks,
Ed

larkvi
10-09-2006, 06:26 PM
Thanks so much, Dave, for that info. I didn't go to Omaha so wasn't aware of what they'd been doing there. I understand and can appreciate their efforts.

Ed

larkvi
10-09-2006, 06:26 PM
Thanks so much, Dave, for that info. I didn't go to Omaha so wasn't aware of what they'd been doing there. I understand and can appreciate their efforts.

Ed

DilloCrafter
10-09-2006, 07:07 PM
Seeing as how the Turning Wheels magazine is not found on newsstands (not intended to be) but only in the hands of SDC members, I wonder this:

How many SDC members DON'T look at eBay for ad listings when they want to buy a Studebaker? eBay seems to be the internet's most used avenue for classic car ads, followed at a distance by websites such as http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com and all the various cities' Craig's List classifieds (http://www.craigslist.org).

It's obvious that most members who read these forums DO look at eBay, but I guess there may be thousands of SDC members who would rather stay away from a computer, and prefer to find Studebakers only in printed media, such as Turning Wheels and Hemmings Motor News. I wonder how many?

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
10-09-2006, 07:07 PM
Seeing as how the Turning Wheels magazine is not found on newsstands (not intended to be) but only in the hands of SDC members, I wonder this:

How many SDC members DON'T look at eBay for ad listings when they want to buy a Studebaker? eBay seems to be the internet's most used avenue for classic car ads, followed at a distance by websites such as http://www.collectorcartraderonline.com and all the various cities' Craig's List classifieds (http://www.craigslist.org).

It's obvious that most members who read these forums DO look at eBay, but I guess there may be thousands of SDC members who would rather stay away from a computer, and prefer to find Studebakers only in printed media, such as Turning Wheels and Hemmings Motor News. I wonder how many?

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

JDP
10-09-2006, 08:03 PM
I buy from TW to sell on ebay. Most Studebaker folk won't pay top dollar for a nice car.

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Studebaker On The Net
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Studebaker News Group
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Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-09-2006, 08:03 PM
I buy from TW to sell on ebay. Most Studebaker folk won't pay top dollar for a nice car.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

Scott
10-09-2006, 08:47 PM
Generally I look at eBay out of interest, but feel the best deals are posted in other places. As a rule of thumb bargains are never found in popular venues, although there can be exceptions. This is getting off topic.

Scott
10-09-2006, 08:47 PM
Generally I look at eBay out of interest, but feel the best deals are posted in other places. As a rule of thumb bargains are never found in popular venues, although there can be exceptions. This is getting off topic.

DilloCrafter
10-09-2006, 09:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Generally I look at eBay out of interest, but feel the best deals are posted in other places. As a rule of thumb bargains are never found in popular venues, although there can be exceptions. This is getting off topic.

That's true, but I guess there's not much left to be said on the original topic. I just hope Ed gets through with his TW ad. A '63 Lark deserves a good home, I say.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
10-09-2006, 09:52 PM
quote:Originally posted by Scott

Generally I look at eBay out of interest, but feel the best deals are posted in other places. As a rule of thumb bargains are never found in popular venues, although there can be exceptions. This is getting off topic.

That's true, but I guess there's not much left to be said on the original topic. I just hope Ed gets through with his TW ad. A '63 Lark deserves a good home, I say.

http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Studedude1961
10-09-2006, 10:17 PM
A lot of our members (Husker Chapter) are either not computer savvy or are not interested in the computer. When I edited the newsletter I asked everyone to send me an email so I could compile a list and easily email "news updates" to members. Only a few indicated they even had computers, and I already had their emails. Just based on the Husker Chapter, I would venture to guess a sizeable amount of SDC members would probably shop Turning Wheels before any online venue.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-09-2006, 10:17 PM
A lot of our members (Husker Chapter) are either not computer savvy or are not interested in the computer. When I edited the newsletter I asked everyone to send me an email so I could compile a list and easily email "news updates" to members. Only a few indicated they even had computers, and I already had their emails. Just based on the Husker Chapter, I would venture to guess a sizeable amount of SDC members would probably shop Turning Wheels before any online venue.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

rockne10
10-09-2006, 11:25 PM
We should note, there are 1600 members on this forum, not all of whom have posted anything, or even perhaps logged on in months; and many of our visitors are not SDC members.

There are 13,000 families who are members of SDC, many of whom don't even have a computer so haven't even visited the SDC website, let alone this forum.

We may have the quickest mode to communicate but, as far as Studebakers are concerned, far from the dominant one.TURNING WHEELS is still the only resource to reach the vast majority of enthusiasts.



Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
10-09-2006, 11:25 PM
We should note, there are 1600 members on this forum, not all of whom have posted anything, or even perhaps logged on in months; and many of our visitors are not SDC members.

There are 13,000 families who are members of SDC, many of whom don't even have a computer so haven't even visited the SDC website, let alone this forum.

We may have the quickest mode to communicate but, as far as Studebakers are concerned, far from the dominant one.TURNING WHEELS is still the only resource to reach the vast majority of enthusiasts.



Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

JDP
10-09-2006, 11:48 PM
quote:We may have the quickest mode to communicate but, as far as Studebakers are concerned, far from the dominant one.TURNING WHEELS is still the only resource to reach the vast majority of enthusiasts.


I agree if you are talking about current Studebaker enthusiasts. If you are looking for the rest of the world, ebay reaches many more. It's like the flea markets today, everyone there is looking for Studebaker parts, but there are only a few 100 of them. On ebay, you'll often sell a car to someone who had zero interest in a Studebaker until they saw one they liked on ebay. The up side is we add new members with many of the ebay sales, the downside is the loss of ad money for TW. (Although most TW car ad's are free ones. )

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-09-2006, 11:48 PM
quote:We may have the quickest mode to communicate but, as far as Studebakers are concerned, far from the dominant one.TURNING WHEELS is still the only resource to reach the vast majority of enthusiasts.


I agree if you are talking about current Studebaker enthusiasts. If you are looking for the rest of the world, ebay reaches many more. It's like the flea markets today, everyone there is looking for Studebaker parts, but there are only a few 100 of them. On ebay, you'll often sell a car to someone who had zero interest in a Studebaker until they saw one they liked on ebay. The up side is we add new members with many of the ebay sales, the downside is the loss of ad money for TW. (Although most TW car ad's are free ones. )

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

41 Frank
10-09-2006, 11:56 PM
I have to agree with JDP most TW revenue comes from the vendors ads not vehicle ads

41 Frank
10-09-2006, 11:56 PM
I have to agree with JDP most TW revenue comes from the vendors ads not vehicle ads

DilloCrafter
10-10-2006, 12:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

We should note, there are 1600 members on this forum, not all of whom have posted anything, or even perhaps logged on in months; and many of our visitors are not SDC members.

There are 13,000 families who are members of SDC, many of whom don't even have a computer so haven't even visited the SDC website, let alone this forum.

These are interesting numbers, and not surprising.

Taking a look now only at forum users, here's some info I picked up today from a website usability guru. He said that, for online forums and services (such as this forum), studies indicate 90% of the users only view the postings (lurk), 9% occasionally post a message or reply, and the remaining 1% account for 99% of the postings. I wonder if that is true of this SDC forum?


http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

DilloCrafter
10-10-2006, 12:27 AM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10

We should note, there are 1600 members on this forum, not all of whom have posted anything, or even perhaps logged on in months; and many of our visitors are not SDC members.

There are 13,000 families who are members of SDC, many of whom don't even have a computer so haven't even visited the SDC website, let alone this forum.

These are interesting numbers, and not surprising.

Taking a look now only at forum users, here's some info I picked up today from a website usability guru. He said that, for online forums and services (such as this forum), studies indicate 90% of the users only view the postings (lurk), 9% occasionally post a message or reply, and the remaining 1% account for 99% of the postings. I wonder if that is true of this SDC forum?


http://rocketdillo.com/studebaker/misc/images/Current_Avacar.gif[/img=left] - DilloCrafter

1955 1/2 Ton Pickup
[i]The Red-Headed Amazon
Deep in the heart of Texas

Chris Pile
10-10-2006, 02:48 AM
In our Midway Chapter nearly half have email on computers, but few check the SDC forum or the Stude NG (despite my urgings).
Several are ardent eBayers buying parts, memorabilia , or toys.
I log onto eBay, the SDC forum, and the Stude NG at least once daily (as well as other forums).

Chris Pile
10-10-2006, 02:48 AM
In our Midway Chapter nearly half have email on computers, but few check the SDC forum or the Stude NG (despite my urgings).
Several are ardent eBayers buying parts, memorabilia , or toys.
I log onto eBay, the SDC forum, and the Stude NG at least once daily (as well as other forums).

Buddy1944
10-10-2006, 09:12 AM
Chris... What is the STUD NG...?

Buddy...'54 Champion 2dr
Warner Robins, GA 31088
478-953-3077

Buddy1944
10-10-2006, 09:12 AM
Chris... What is the STUD NG...?

Buddy...'54 Champion 2dr
Warner Robins, GA 31088
478-953-3077

Dick Steinkamp
10-10-2006, 11:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter
Taking a look now only at forum users, here's some info I picked up today from a website usability guru. He said that, for online forums and services (such as this forum), studies indicate 90% of the users only view the postings (lurk), 9% occasionally post a message or reply, and the remaining 1% account for 99% of the postings. I wonder if that is true of this SDC forum?


Our Forum has 1678 members and 49,675 posts have been made. The top 1% of the posters (17) have made 20,610 posts for 41% of the total. The top 2% of the posters (34) account for 56% of the posts. 900 members (54%) have made 2 or less posts. 375 members have made more than 10 posts. 150 members have made more than 50 posts.

With that said, the stats are somewhat "soft". There are probably a lot of "lurkers" that have never registered as members. There are probably people who have registered as members but no longer visit the forum.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-10-2006, 11:43 AM
quote:Originally posted by DilloCrafter
Taking a look now only at forum users, here's some info I picked up today from a website usability guru. He said that, for online forums and services (such as this forum), studies indicate 90% of the users only view the postings (lurk), 9% occasionally post a message or reply, and the remaining 1% account for 99% of the postings. I wonder if that is true of this SDC forum?


Our Forum has 1678 members and 49,675 posts have been made. The top 1% of the posters (17) have made 20,610 posts for 41% of the total. The top 2% of the posters (34) account for 56% of the posts. 900 members (54%) have made 2 or less posts. 375 members have made more than 10 posts. 150 members have made more than 50 posts.

With that said, the stats are somewhat "soft". There are probably a lot of "lurkers" that have never registered as members. There are probably people who have registered as members but no longer visit the forum.



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

JDP
10-10-2006, 12:23 PM
Stude NG is the alt.autos studebaker News group, here's the last 63,000 posts:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker?hl=en&lr=&safe=off

You can search my keyword back many years or just keep up day to day.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

JDP
10-10-2006, 12:23 PM
Stude NG is the alt.autos studebaker News group, here's the last 63,000 posts:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker?hl=en&lr=&safe=off

You can search my keyword back many years or just keep up day to day.

http://stude.com/sig.jpg
Studebaker On The Net
http://stude.com
Studebaker News Group
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.studebaker
Arnold Md.
64 Daytona HT
63 R2 4 speed GT Hawk
63 GT Hawk
63 Avanti R1/AC
63 Avanti R2 (Sold)
63 Daytona HT
63 Lark 2 dr.
62 Lark 2 door
60 Lark convert
60 Hawk
59 3E Truck
57 Silver Hawk
53 Starliner
51 Commander

studegary
10-10-2006, 03:28 PM
I have purchased Studebakers from both Turning Wheels and eBay over the past year. I have not sold a Studebaker with a Turning Wheels ad, but I have with an eBay listing, within the past year. I got a lot of interest in the Studebaker that I had advertised in Turning Wheels, but no dollars. After it sold on eBay, I got contacted that the individual, from the TW ad, would have paid me more and he seemed upset not to get the car. Obviously, he was following the listing on eBay. I felt like asking why he didn't bid what he was willing to spend for the car. I decided to just ignore him, since I already had the money for the car wired to me.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

studegary
10-10-2006, 03:28 PM
I have purchased Studebakers from both Turning Wheels and eBay over the past year. I have not sold a Studebaker with a Turning Wheels ad, but I have with an eBay listing, within the past year. I got a lot of interest in the Studebaker that I had advertised in Turning Wheels, but no dollars. After it sold on eBay, I got contacted that the individual, from the TW ad, would have paid me more and he seemed upset not to get the car. Obviously, he was following the listing on eBay. I felt like asking why he didn't bid what he was willing to spend for the car. I decided to just ignore him, since I already had the money for the car wired to me.

Gary L.
Wappinger, NY

1959 DeLuxe pickup (restomod)

Studedude1961
10-10-2006, 03:36 PM
It would be interesting to know if the number of car and parts ads have decreased in Turning Wheels since the advent of eBay and other online sales venues. Lead times (and they can't be helped) probably hurt TW some as eBay offers instant access and almost instant gratification. I have noticed that Old Cars Weekly's ad section has shrunk during the last 5 years or so, but Hemmings continues to go strong. An internet enthusiast friend of mine who is quite a few years (ok decades) younger predicts with some certainty that the days of what he calls "paper publications" are limited. I tend to disagree, but only to a point.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

Studedude1961
10-10-2006, 03:36 PM
It would be interesting to know if the number of car and parts ads have decreased in Turning Wheels since the advent of eBay and other online sales venues. Lead times (and they can't be helped) probably hurt TW some as eBay offers instant access and almost instant gratification. I have noticed that Old Cars Weekly's ad section has shrunk during the last 5 years or so, but Hemmings continues to go strong. An internet enthusiast friend of mine who is quite a few years (ok decades) younger predicts with some certainty that the days of what he calls "paper publications" are limited. I tend to disagree, but only to a point.

Studedude1961
--1963 Cruiser

rockne10
10-10-2006, 11:59 PM
Dick,
I enjoy crunching numbers but do it at work so much, I appreciate your taking the time to do a little analyzing from the member list.

Statistical analysis can be fun. I've heard that 97.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

The forum continues to grow. Do you remember when there were only a total of 1000 posts and only 500 of them were from Bob?:D

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

rockne10
10-10-2006, 11:59 PM
Dick,
I enjoy crunching numbers but do it at work so much, I appreciate your taking the time to do a little analyzing from the member list.

Statistical analysis can be fun. I've heard that 97.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

The forum continues to grow. Do you remember when there were only a total of 1000 posts and only 500 of them were from Bob?:D

Brad Johnson
Pine Grove Mills, Pa.
33 Rockne 10
51 Commander Starlight
53 Commander Starlight
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g233/rockne10/51x2.jpg
previously: 63 Cruiser, 62 Regal VI, 60 VI convertible, 50 LandCruiser

Roscomacaw
10-11-2006, 03:35 PM
I guess I'm letting my averages slip![:0][V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-11-2006, 03:35 PM
I guess I'm letting my averages slip![:0][V]

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Dick Steinkamp
10-11-2006, 03:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10
I've heard that 97.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.



Hey Brad...I've told you a million times not to exagerate :D



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Dick Steinkamp
10-11-2006, 03:38 PM
quote:Originally posted by rockne10
I've heard that 97.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot.



Hey Brad...I've told you a million times not to exagerate :D



http://thenobot.org/images/s2d/s2d_01.jpg

Roscomacaw
10-11-2006, 06:51 PM
Dave, this is NOT the proper forum for me to explain what a conundrum is or does!:(

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe

Roscomacaw
10-11-2006, 06:51 PM
Dave, this is NOT the proper forum for me to explain what a conundrum is or does!:(

Miscreant adrift in
the BerStuda Triangle!!

1957 Transtar 1/2ton
1960 Larkvertible V8
1958 Provincial wagon
1953 Commander coupe