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5brown1
05-11-2018, 07:40 AM
Hurry it is only listed for 3 days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Studebaker/292559190585?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

gordr
05-11-2018, 10:59 AM
Hmm, same BS text writeup, new seller name, car now in Bellevue, not Blaine, WA.

creegster
05-11-2018, 11:12 AM
I havent seen the history on this: how do you know its a scam?

Stude Shoo-wop!
05-11-2018, 04:33 PM
Hold on a second. Let's just take a look at what this guy is actually saying.

"McCullough supercharged 289 in³ 4.7 L V8 275 hp engine replacing the aging and heavy Packard unit. The new driveline relieved the front end of 100 pounds, with a proportionate increase in performance and handling."

First of all, the supercharger was supplied by Paxton during this time, not McCullough (in fact, McCullough made chainsaws). The Packard V8 was not "aging" in 1957, the design was only two years old. Also, how can you measure a "proportionate increase" in performance by simply stating how the new drivetrain was lighter? Would'nt you need more equipment to determine this accurately? Here's the best bit, this scalawag says that the engine is 289 in³. That is not how you would express that. It should be written as 289 cu. or otherwise you're saying that the engine actually displaces a volume of 24,137,569 units!

gordr
05-11-2018, 07:20 PM
Robert Paxton McCullough made superchargers, and chainsaws. And in³ is simply shorthand for cubic inch. That aside, the text is substantially the same as a prior ad from another "seller", and appears to be cribbed from a magazine article.

Big Smooth
05-11-2018, 07:56 PM
I live pretty close to Bellevue and should go look at it! I'll bring cash and drive it home and have twins... Same car we have seen before. Probably a scam...

StudeRich
05-12-2018, 01:59 AM
/Cut/
First of all, the supercharger was supplied by Paxton during this time, not McCullough (in fact, McCullough made chainsaws)./Cut/

Careful there "Son", your Age and experience is beginning to show. :o You don't ALWAYS get the "Real Story" from Google or Wikipedia you know! ;)

If you could see the Top of this Emblem on top of this Supercharger you could read the: "McCullough" stamped into it.

72395

colt45sa
05-12-2018, 07:43 AM
Ebay has a "vehicle purchase protection" policy. If you feel uncomfortable because this offering looks so bogus, I'd suggest that you read the Ebay policy carefully, follow the requirements to the letter, and bid away. If the seller is a scammer or thief, you will be protected by a very reliable company~! You can't buy a 6 cylinder Silver Hawk for that kind of money.

Stude Shoo-wop!
05-12-2018, 07:50 AM
Careful there "Son", your Age and experience is beginning to show. :o You don't ALWAYS get the "Real Story" from Google or Wikipedia you know! ;)

If you could see the Top of this Emblem on top of this Supercharger you could read the: "McCullough" stamped into it.

72395

I can't really see what emblem you're talking about, but I do know that experience is the best teacher. You're very experienced with Studes and as such I should believe you on this unless proven wrong.

rkapteyn
05-12-2018, 08:18 AM
http://vs57.y-block.info/history.htm

tsenecal
05-12-2018, 09:22 AM
Thanks for the history, Robert. It includes some interesting early automotive photos.

Big Smooth
05-12-2018, 10:56 AM
Rich is correct and for a second I was excited thinking that's my Goldenhawk that he and Mike are about done with. I think next week I can make it up to see.

ddub
05-12-2018, 01:43 PM
Clearly off topic, didn't Mc Cullough also make Scott-Atwater outboards?

WinM1895
05-12-2018, 02:36 PM
1957 Ford & Thunderbird VIN engine code F = 312 4V with factory installed McCullough Supercharger. Supercharger also available in 1957 Mercury 312.

64V-K7
05-12-2018, 02:45 PM
Delete delete

Jerry Forrester
05-12-2018, 03:16 PM
Careful there "Son", your Age and experience is beginning to show. :o You don't ALWAYS get the "Real Story" from Google or Wikipedia you know! ;)

If you could see the Top of this Emblem on top of this Supercharger you could read the: "McCullough" stamped into it.

72395

Hey! He read it on the interweb, so you know it's gotta be true. They can't put lies on the web, it's against the rules.

studegary
05-12-2018, 04:25 PM
1957 Ford & Thunderbird VIN engine code F = 312 4V with factory installed McCullough Supercharger. Supercharger also available in 1957 Mercury 312.

A friend of mine ordered a new '57 F-code Thunderbird. He waited quite a while for it. He got the 16th one sold to the public. He kept it many years until his growing family outgrew it (single when he bought it at Hoffman Motors, Beacon, NY).

StudeDave57
05-12-2018, 06:07 PM
Rich is correct and for a second I was excited thinking that's my Goldenhawk that he and Mike are about done with. I think next week I can make it up to see.
Nah...

No way this one can be yours.
I saw it just ten minutes ago.
Yours is closer to the proper color... ;)

Big Smooth
05-13-2018, 09:58 AM
Awesome! I can't wait and know my Dad is happy knowing it's done right..

TWChamp
05-13-2018, 12:25 PM
Must have been a scam and got removed.