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StoneDog
04-24-2018, 11:03 PM
Considering calling this person and making an appointment to look at his/her 1964 Commander:

https://kokomo.craigslist.org/cto/d/64-studebaker-runs-and-drives/6569208971.html

Since I'm not mechanically inclined and would probably pay to have work done on the car, what would you advise me to look at when considering a car like this for sale? How can I confirm the "body is in good shape"? What can I look at to indicate whether the motor is in decent shape? The transmission? Shouls I be overly concerned about nameplates, hood ornaments, seemingly minor things like that?

Any advice would be appreciated. And, no, I don't have a friend who is a mechanic I could bring along unfortunately. :confused:

StudeRich
04-25-2018, 01:47 AM
There are probably a Thousand things that could be said about buying a 53 Year old Classic Studebaker, so definitely do not take my suggestions as the Only ones or the Best ones please.

#1 from only the Pics I don't see anything about this Fair Condition Commander that jumps out to me as bad.

It could use a Paint job but it could last longer with cleaning and waxing.

It may need the Right Outboard, Low Beam Headlight replaced, unless it is reflection that makes it Dark.

Not a big deal but, the hood Ornament Had a stand-up "S" on it which has been broken and Replacements are available if it bothers you.

The Commander has a very fair price, and appears all Original and fairly well cared for.

#2 But, do not think that this is the ONLY Lark or Lark Type 4 Sedan out there available, and affordable.

Some of the things to look for:

Rust under the floor covering, this Car would have came with Jute backed Rubber floor covering, from what I can see it has been replaced with Indoor outdoor Carpeting? So look UNDER it for heavy Rust or Rot holes, also on the Trunk Floor.

In your situation the mechanical aspects of the Car would best be checked by a competent Local Repair Shop.
At LOT can be seen on a Hoist about Frame condition & Rust, Exhaust System, Tires and uneven Tire wear meaning expensive Suspension repairs MAY be needed.

Brake Drums can be pulled to check Brake condition.

The engine condition can be checked with everything from a good Test Drive to a Compression Test to determine how mush life is left in it, chances of Oil burning etc.

DieselJim
04-25-2018, 03:07 AM
http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?105716-Invitation-to-South-Bend-May-4th-and-5thThere is a car carrel. Usually several Studebakers for sale.

Kurt
04-25-2018, 05:26 AM
Classic cars require quite a lot of maintenance. If you buy it I recommend buying a shop manual and a parts manual and start reading. Most wear items are not terribly hard to fix. If you have to pay someone for every little thing, you may become frustrated. Doing routine repairs adds to the fun of the hobby. Good luck to you. It looks like a great candidate for a first classic car

Blue 15G
04-25-2018, 08:01 AM
Not being mechanically inclined is somewhat of a handicap to owning an old car today. These cars need more maintenance (and done more frequently) than anything late model. With that said, from what I can see this would be a great car to get started with if you really want to buy it.

RadioRoy
04-25-2018, 10:20 AM
Here is my best advice in no particular order.

-buy the shop manual, the chassis parts catalog and the body parts catalog. They show all the parts, what their correct name is and the part number. Studebaker vendors use these part numbers to assure that you get the correct parts.

http://studebakervendors.com/

-Start slowly, learn your vehicle. Get it stopping and running, drive it and fix the little things that need to be fixed as you learn.

-For some reason, replacing systems with parts from other brands of cars seems to be the first thing that comes to mind for a new-to-Studebaker owner. But the vehicle does not need to be re-designed with parts from another brand. If you bring everything up to specification, re-bush the bushings and so on, you will have a reliable, well running and well driving vehicle. Studebaker engineers were professionals who knew what they were doing.

-do not take the vehicle apart. It's the thing that everyone seems to think of, BUT... It is one hundred times easier to take something apart than it is to put it back together. Leave the ground up restorations to the pros with the tools, knowledge and money to complete the task.

-Whenever you do disassemble something, do it with the idea in mind that you have to put it back together again. If you disassemble something, lay the parts out in the order they came off. Then, put them back on in the same order. That alone will save you lots of grief.

StoneDog
04-25-2018, 11:22 AM
Thank you all for your helpful advice. Much appreciated.

50pete
04-25-2018, 11:24 AM
i believe that car was on indy craigslist back in December for $1500

Paul K.
04-25-2018, 11:56 AM
Looks like a solid car and a good color too. The paint won't respond to waxing as noted by the roof where someone already tried to apply wax. The paint is too oxidized. However, I have had good luck wetsanding with 2500 grit and then polishing. Even if it is or was a metallic paint you can still wet sand to remove the oxidation and then polish. The metallic particles may get disrupted but it will look better and shinier. If doing all by hand I would do one panel at a time and start with the roof so if it isn't to your liking, you won't see it from the side view.

I would bet the car needs some front suspension work/parts or bushings because they all do. Being drum brakes, it will need at least an adjustment, but possibly more. I see a newer master cylinder so some recent work has been done to the brakes and you may get lucky and the brakes will be OK.

Knowing little about mechanics, whatever old car you buy I would replace the ignition points with an electronic ignition like Pertronix. This upgrade will eliminate routine points adjustments which you cannot do...yet.

This leads me to my last suggestion and that is to start learning about performing routine maintenance and inspections on the old car you buy. Even if you don't want to, you really have to. As an automotive instructor, when I teach a basic course, I use this book below because it is basic and generic and perfect for the beginner mechanic. Its getting dated (1998) but fine for a classic car and used copies can be found for under $10. Don't overlook buying a factory shop manual too as others have suggested. It will be necessary for you or your mechanic to perform some repairs on your Studebaker.

Even if you do not actually work on your classic car, educating yourself will arm you with the skills to at least be able to speak the language of automobile repairs so when you get repairs done you have a clue to what is going on. This alone will save you a lot of money and headache.

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/easy-car-care-4th-edition-chiltons-easy-car-care_chilton-automotive-books/698266/?mkwid=shCgtuVKT%7cdc&pcrid=70112903232&pkw=&pmt=&plc=&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxbSJ2uTV2gIVCzppCh3JswYmEAQYAiABEgICafD_BwE#isbn=0801988527&idiq=326145

BTW, there is also a 4th edition of this book with a yellow cover. Same book.

Mike Sal
04-25-2018, 12:45 PM
I seriously considered this car last year when it was for sale at 1500, but some other obligations came up & I didn't have the time before it sold.
Mike Sal

jackb
04-25-2018, 01:14 PM
Looks like the front fenders were replaced already...not a bad thing...maybe...

sol
04-25-2018, 02:22 PM
Hi sol here I was wondering how I could go about finding out how many 1965 studebaker commanders are still registared fo road use? I am sorry for posting this here but don't know how else to post it.

jackb
04-25-2018, 03:19 PM
I'd guess there is some way to find out-I don't know it. I'd guess less than 50 nationwide....just a guess.

sol
04-25-2018, 03:31 PM
yes there can't be many, I have a 65 commander and I have yet to see another one other than pictures.
maybe I will drop into our vehicle registration office, they may have a way of checking.

sol
04-25-2018, 03:41 PM
I was just looking at the 64 and I would say those are original front fenders because they are still showing the fenders as spot welded on.. I am not sure why they would have done that but that is the way my 65 commander is also

wittsend
04-25-2018, 05:10 PM
With the sellers permission I'd bring a phillips screwdriver and remove the sill plates (that shouldn't be too challanging). Then with a stick and flash light look under the carpet. That way you can check for rusted floors. I don't live in the rust belt but can first hand tell you a LOT of cars rust from the inside out. If good a great insentive to buy the car. If bad the seller should have checked and disclosed and you have reason to walk away.

avanti-hawk
04-25-2018, 05:49 PM
That car looks like it's a bargain, IF it's not rusty. Looks like a flipper bought it for$1500,now reselling for a a bit of profit. So you have some insider ammo now. If he want's to sell it you, make him show you the chassis up in the air on a hoist or jackstands. If it's solid, maybe needing a few spots fixed and you like it, offer $2000 to start. He likely offered $1000 or less when he bought it.

Also please take the advice already offered and DO NOT buy and start taking it apart!!!! PLEASE

StoneDog
04-25-2018, 11:05 PM
I again sincerely thank all for the advice. All responded with genuine wisdom obviously borne of much personal experience.

StoneDog
04-25-2018, 11:07 PM
Whoops! Already gone! Listing deleted by author. I live in south-central Indiana and couldn't have gotten up to Kokomo before the weekend anyway. Oh well...

jackb
04-26-2018, 11:11 AM
must have gotten wind of the $1500.

StoneDog
04-26-2018, 11:26 AM
Certainly possible. Or, he sold it rather quickly. That happens. Maybe I'll attend some SDC events and see what's available on the market generally.

50pete
04-26-2018, 04:52 PM
the car sold last night........anybody on here buy it?