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Noxnabaker
04-11-2018, 02:46 PM
I've always wondered what the symbols in this emblem stands for:

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Any one who knows?
Please tell...
:)

StudeRich
04-11-2018, 02:54 PM
Well since they are clearly Champion (Crowns) and Thunderbirds your guess is as good as mine! :)

Maybe an early attempt at a Commander or Hawk Symbol?

ddub
04-11-2018, 03:02 PM
At one point Studebaker considered Thunderbird as a model name. Maybe stems from that time.

Commander Eddie
04-11-2018, 03:05 PM
Judging by the humble origins of the Studebaker family I would guess it is not a family crest or coat of arms. This is a very interesting question you pose.

Alan
04-11-2018, 03:54 PM
Nox, Your answer lies in Turning Wheels, July 2006, page 26. The Thunderbird name was registered with the Automobile Manufacturers Association to Studebaker from 47 to 54. Stude sold the rights to the name to Ford. Stude. was being pushed by Mack Hellings to make a sports car, but died in a plane crash out in the Mojave Desert in 1950. After that Stude's desires to build a sports car wavered. I will put up a pic. of the one built, but it looks like it will take me a little while to find it again.

Noxnabaker
04-11-2018, 04:37 PM
Okidoki Alan, thanx! :)

thunderations
04-11-2018, 05:13 PM
Looks amazingly like a Cobra........which was based on a Bristol, I believe. Any connection between Studebaker and Bristol?

Nox, Your answer lies in Turning Wheels, July 2006, page 26. The Thunderbird name was registered with the Automobile Manufacturers Association to Studebaker from 47 to 54. Stude sold the rights to the name to Ford. Stude. was being pushed by Mack Hellings to make a sports car, but died in a plane crash out in the Mojave Desert in 1950. After that Stude's desires to build a sports car wavered. I will put up a pic. of the one built, but it looks like it will take me a little while to find it again.

PackardV8
04-11-2018, 05:42 PM
Looks amazingly like a Cobra........which was based on a Bristol, I believe. Any connection between Studebaker and Bristol?You're confusing AC, which was the basis for the AC Cobra, with Bristol, which was a smaller car and aircraft company which supplied a derivative of the BMW 2-liter 6-cylinder engine to AC and other small car companies. So, yes, there was an AC Bristol, but it was AC which became the Cobra.

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Alan
04-11-2018, 06:53 PM
The AC Bristol was a 6 cylinder and the AC Ace was a 4. The Ace is the one that became the Cobra. Same design but different wheel bases and outside sizes. The Victress S1 was basically an AC Bristol in the front and Jag. XK 120 in the rear. Made in fiberglass.

firestoper 25
04-11-2018, 07:10 PM
Nox, Your answer lies in Turning Wheels, July 2006, page 26. The Thunderbird name was registered with the Automobile Manufacturers Association to Studebaker from 47 to 54. Stude sold the rights to the name to Ford. Stude. was being pushed by Mack Hellings to make a sports car, but died in a plane crash out in the Mojave Desert in 1950. After that Stude's desires to build a sports car wavered. I will put up a pic. of the one built, but it looks like it will take me a little while to find it again.

Oh boy, do I see a FUN summer car show info battle coming on. When I am told my 63 Avanti came with a Ford 289.....then I kick over the Thunderbird was really a farmed out Studebaker, somebody better call the fire department for the upcoming turf war! :lol: This going to be fun, my first target is going to be my fire dept. buddy with the beautiful 70 yellow 428 4 speed CJ Mustang. :rolleyes: Thanks for the amo, Sherm / Green Bay

whitehawk759
04-11-2018, 08:04 PM
That is one fine looking Studebaker, I certainly would have bought one!

Hallabutt
04-11-2018, 08:26 PM
It looks to me like a Jaguar XK 120. How quickly so many have forgotten one of the most important trend setting cars of the post war period.

Interesting about the Thunderbird name. As Mary indicated maybe there was something unknown drawing us Studebaker fans into TBird ownership.

Pat Dilling
04-11-2018, 09:03 PM
Maybe that is why people keep calling my 53 coupe a Thunderbird!? :-o

studegary
04-11-2018, 09:17 PM
Nox, Your answer lies in Turning Wheels, July 2006, page 26. The Thunderbird name was registered with the Automobile Manufacturers Association to Studebaker from 47 to 54. Stude sold the rights to the name to Ford. Stude. was being pushed by Mack Hellings to make a sports car, but died in a plane crash out in the Mojave Desert in 1950. After that Stude's desires to build a sports car wavered. I will put up a pic. of the one built, but it looks like it will take me a little while to find it again.

The car looks to me like a Kellison or Woodhill Wildfire body. Perhaps it is a kit car on a Studebaker chassis.

bezhawk
04-11-2018, 11:03 PM
I believe it says Victress, right on the side.

t walgamuth
04-12-2018, 07:35 AM
It's certainly a handsome little car. A lot like the cobra in front, and a lot like the XK 120 on the side.

This is the first I have heard of a four cylinder AC ace as the basis for the Cobra. I always heard it was the six cylinder car.

PackardV8
04-12-2018, 01:48 PM
From Wikipedia:
AC Cobra - History and development
Like many British manufacturers, AC Cars had been using the Bristol straight-6 engine in its small-volume production, including its AC Ace two-seater roadster. This had a hand-built body with a steel tube frame, and aluminium body panels that were made using English wheeling machines. The engine was a pre-World War II design by BMW which by the 1960s was considered dated. Bristol decided in 1961 to cease production of its engine . . . AC started using the 2.6 litre Ford Zephyr engine in its cars.

In September 1961, American automotive designer Carroll Shelby wrote to AC asking if they would build him a car modified to accept a V8 engine. AC agreed,

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Noxnabaker
04-12-2018, 04:18 PM
Well this sure became interesting indeed!
I also thought Jaguar exept the front bit.
& wouldn't it been awfully nice if Studebaker had built a model named Thunderbird just for the fun of the Ford people... gonna be fun anyway...
:)
picture from internet:
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Alan
04-12-2018, 06:33 PM
See if this answers your question and if it doesn't I can add more.

Noxnabaker
04-13-2018, 04:32 AM
Okidoki, I also thought it was the same as on bulletnose hoods & Hawk grilles. :)
The article doesn't mention any sale/money transaction thou.

daytonadave
04-13-2018, 09:34 AM
Emblem on a 52 Commander.
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Noxnabaker
04-13-2018, 05:29 PM
& oh yeah, ofcourse:

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