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old fart
03-15-2018, 07:52 PM
Just a thought for those thinking about hosting a zone meet or other meets hoping to draw people from neighboring areas . I have just learned of another bit of no consideration . First it was South Dakota chapter being dist , they have been doing their show for over thirty five years and the national gets set up on that exact same weekend . Now the Northlands Wheel chapter who has been hosting their show every year for the past 46 years on the second weekend in August , the folks putting on the Zone meet as far as I am concerned never took it seriously enough to consider another weekend . When will people learn to be less inconsiderate . At least when our chapter hosted a zone meet we checked first to avoid clashing events . Just my opinion .

lugamatic
03-15-2018, 08:19 PM
I read your post and try not to join in,, but you are right on, our current national team seems to only do things their way and we are supposed to fall in line behind them. I guess that is called progress. Just one old mans opinion.

dynolou2
03-15-2018, 11:55 PM
There are other things to consider, sometimes to get the Hotel rates that members EXPECT, only a certain week is available. In 2001 I worked the Hudson National in Sea Tac to get best rates the week of the 4 th of July was chosen. After the meet the old farts on the board pushed thru a by law forbidding a meet during a week with any Holiday in it. Lou Cote President Club Avanti Northwest, Past president North Puget Sound SDC, Past President NorthWest Chapter HET Club

dynolou2
03-16-2018, 12:17 AM
Another story, the Monroe Wa. Fall Swap Meet and the Portland Or. Fall Swap meet used to coexist in October, but one year no one in charge noticed that the two meets were scheduled for the same weekend. Usually the date for the Portland would shift to the next weekend. What were the vendors to do? they had to choose one or the other. the group that ran the Portland consisted of 20 car Clubs with a swap meet and displays from many of the clubs involved. That helped to kill the Portland Fall Swap Meet, along with the high fees of the Expo Center, to get the blessing of the Fire Marshal costs $ 1000. BTDT Lou Cote

StudeDave57
03-16-2018, 02:09 AM
This is something Regional Managers, Zone Coordinators and Zone Directors should be working to avoid.

Call one another once in awhile.
Especially those in bordering Zones.

It seems easy enough- the reps for each Zone are listed in Turning Wheels every single month.

I should also add this~
if the chairperson (or some other Meet rep) didn't contact at least one of the above for their own and neighboring Zones-

that is on them.


As far as International Meets conflicting with long running Meets, well-- it happens.

And so long as it's not happening within the same Zone-
you're not afoul of the new rules put in place a few years ago...

8E45E
03-16-2018, 06:53 AM
Attendance figures at these conflicting meets will speak for themselves in the end.

Craig

thunderations
03-16-2018, 11:57 AM
Kind of like an early May date for an International in South Bend?
Attendance, both people and vehicles, was low.

Attendance figures at these conflicting meets will speak for themselves in the end.

Craig

58L-J8 Guy
03-16-2018, 12:21 PM
I read your post and try not to join in,, but you are right on, our current national team seems to only do things their way and we are supposed to fall in line behind them. I guess that is called progress. Just one old mans opinion.

lugamatic, sent you a PM

8E45E
03-16-2018, 01:00 PM
Kind of like an early May date for an International in South Bend?
Attendance, both people and vehicles, was low.

And I wrote how I felt about that on my questionnaire we were all asked to fill out last fall. All that meet was for me was a $5K shopping trip!!

Craig

Jeffry Cassel
03-16-2018, 01:02 PM
Was looking foreward to a drive to the Hills this Sep. Going to Tacoma instead--mostly to see our little granddaughter tho. Was disapointed they could not find another time for nat'l. Guess we folks in "fly over country "'are just used to being dissed.

dynolou2
03-16-2018, 10:12 PM
NOT DISSED ANYONE, read my first post. No one hotel has enough room for everyone. To get all three hotels at $129.00 + taxes per night is the best deal, regular rates are over $175.00 +taxes per night. Well, Jeffry, maybe you should look into hosting the 2020 National and see how much work between Hotels, venues for tours and other attractions it takes. Lou Cote

5brown1
03-17-2018, 12:19 PM
Actually the Dakotas Chapter will be holding their 42nd Annual Labor Day Event this year. It is a very successful event giving great exposure to the Studebaker brand.
Year after year over a thousand spectators from at least 25 states and 6 or more foreign countries view and vote for their favorite Studebakers during the 5 hour Show and Shine.
Being inconsiderate - I think not. Although reading and rereading the OPs post I can't be sure of just who he thinks is inconsiderate.
Yes, it is unfortunate that some individuals will have to make a choice. But I have to wonder just what that number really is.

studeguy54
03-17-2018, 01:43 PM
Lugamatic,

In fact, your "current national team", including myself, receives nary a penny ($0.00) for all the planning, sleepless nights, contract negotiations, website composition, meeting of deadlines, creation of content for Turning Wheels, listening to complaints in here and other locations, and all the other detritus that has to be in-place for an International Meet to succeed. I'm sure your comments are well-intentioned, but are seriously misplaced. We DO listen to your comments, and we do NOT expect you to fall in line behind us. The love of the brand is why I do this, and, fortunately, for the compliments we get from time to time..

I have read EVERY survey that was completed coming out of the Mid-May 2016 International Meet in South Bend, as have your officers of the club. We take our work (and, by God, it IS work!) seriously. My work week on the International Meet is 20-30 unpaid hours a week, and negative comments on the efforts of myself and others is hurtful. There is still a lot of work to be done on Tacoma 2018, and your comments and a few hours to help would be welcome.


I read your post and try not to join in,, but you are right on, our current national team seems to only do things their way and we are supposed to fall in line behind them. I guess that is called progress. Just one old mans opinion.

studeguy54
03-17-2018, 01:45 PM
Thank you Lou. Your comments are appreciated.

studeguy54
03-17-2018, 01:47 PM
Craig,

You are correct. Attendance figures will speak for themselves. Have you reserved for the meet yet?



Attendance figures at these conflicting meets will speak for themselves in the end.

Craig

studeguy54
03-17-2018, 01:52 PM
Jeffry,

to the contrary, you will not be "dissed" if you are interested in hosting an International Meet. As you will see in my reply below, putting a meet together IS a lot of thankless, unpaid work. There is an opening for an International Meet in 2020 and/or 2021 if you would like to host one. A note was put in Turning Wheels a month or so back asking for those interested in hosting a meet to contact me. We're listening...



Was looking foreward to a drive to the Hills this Sep. Going to Tacoma instead--mostly to see our little granddaughter tho. Was disapointed they could not find another time for nat'l. Guess we folks in "fly over country "'are just used to being dissed.

tsenecal
03-17-2018, 01:55 PM
I attended my first International meet, last year in South Bend. It was pretty apparent, the amount of work, and time spent, that it took for the people that volunteered to host it. The logistics for an event that size, have got to be enormous. My wife and I both enjoyed the show in South Bend, and plan to make it to Tacoma this year. Thanks ahead of time, all of the folks working on this years meet, and all of the ones to follow.

swvalcon
03-17-2018, 02:26 PM
tsenecal I second that. The south bend meet was my first International meet and I had a great time. Did everything go perfect? No maybe not but when does it ever. I will be going to south bend again and it has to be a big job for those that put it on. THANK YOU. Steve Welsh.

tim333
03-17-2018, 02:57 PM
Ditto to the max the previous two posts.

thunderations
03-17-2018, 03:03 PM
Nobody said it wasn't a big job. But, that job is the same size, no matter if you pick the worst time of the year or the best.
This discussion started because the use of a simple calendar and comparing dates and events seems to be difficult for some.

Jeffry Cassel
03-17-2018, 03:28 PM
Ooops! Sorry, didn't mean to step on toes. Appreciate the effort ya'll put into these meets. Not sure a lot of people would want to come here and watch corn grow. Many of us are getting on in years and are not real flush in our golden years so spending several thousand dollars on a national meet can be prohibitive. Still think the Casino meet in Redwing was on of my favorite and the casino apparantly did a lot of the organizing.

Skip Lackie
03-17-2018, 04:12 PM
As Studedave said, scheduling and de-conflicting regional and zone meets is the responsibility of regional and zone managers. These are unpaid, elected positions to which not a lot of people aspire. And as noted by several people, Denny and his committee try very hard to find hotels that will guarantee rooms for ~$125 a night, often during their high season. It's also worth remembering that school doesn't end until the end of June in the Northeast, and begins in mid-August in the Southeast, which leaves only 6 weeks each year during which somebody's kids or grandkids are not in school.

old fart
03-17-2018, 04:24 PM
As Skip just said . When I was zone co-ordinator that was the first thing I did . And the two shows that were put on under my watch there were no conflict . There has to be some countability here somewhere .in the two cases I have mentioned . It is odd though I am the regional manager and have been for many years and nobody has asked for my opinion yet on any meet or event within a days drive from here .

Hallabutt
03-17-2018, 06:44 PM
Another unfortunate scheduling conflict out west is the Northwest Overdrive and the Pacific SW Zone meet. The NWOD is forty years old and was devised to coincide with the US and Canadian memorial days. The way it was designed was that on the weekend that the meet was held in the US, it was held over the Canadian weekend and the next year the order was reversed. The SWZ meet is scheduled for the same time frame. Past efforts at better spacing have always failed.

StudeDave57
03-18-2018, 01:00 AM
Another unfortunate scheduling conflict out west is the Northwest Overdrive and the Pacific SW Zone meet. The NWOD is forty years old and was devised to coincide with the US and Canadian memorial days. The way it was designed was that on the weekend that the meet was held in the US, it was held over the Canadian weekend and the next year the order was reversed. The SWZ meet is scheduled for the same time frame. Past efforts at better spacing have always failed.

The Overdrive is also supposed to bounce back and forth over the border every year too.


But I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.
The SW Zone Meet is in October~ http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/eventszone.asp


Are you maybe thinking of La Palma?
That's not a Zone Meet- it's just a very very very long running Gathering of Studebakers.
Since the early '70s in fact.




StudeDave '57 :cool:

JoeHall
03-18-2018, 09:23 AM
With so many local, district and regional meets going on that time of year, there's bound to be scheduling conflict here and there. I say, let the attendees decide which one they attend, or not attend. I appreciate the hard work involved in planning any of them, often beginning many months beforehand. I hope to be in Tacoma this year. But the part I dread most, is negotiating the traffic in the Tacoma area. The trip to & from, will probably be as much fun as the event itself, since every mile in a Stude is an adventure :)

8E45E
03-18-2018, 09:34 AM
I vote to expand the summer season from January 1st thru to December 31. That way, there will be almost NO conflicts!!

Craig

Chris Pile
03-18-2018, 10:20 AM
OK, we've discussed this problem very well. Let's go to another more specific problem.... Club officers at the local, state, and national level who will not allow their phone numbers and email addresses to be published in SDC specific websites and publications. If you don't want the position - don't take the job! I literally field phone calls from all over the country (not just SDC members), from people who are desperately looking for answers to their questions, and NO ONE will talk to them. I've had members of Buick and Chevy clubs thank me for at least answering the phone or an email. It's nuts. I don't want to name names, but at a recent nearby national meet, the co-chairs would pass the buck - "call the other guy". I (and my chapter members) could have played tennis with these two!!!! It really gripes me, folks. If you won't make yourself available to support your club and your hobby - GET OUT.

studefan
03-18-2018, 10:32 AM
Post #13 sums it up nicely. These aren't paid individuals. They are volunteers who are the folks truly responsible for keeping the club alive. Over complaining, discouraging them as opposed to showing your appreciation, will end in an earlier demise of this club.

It's guys like studeguy54 that allow you and me to enjoy attending these meets. Suck it up, be understanding, offer beneficial suggestions, not criticism, offer to help and volunteer yourself instead of complaining about what people are doing for you for free.

If you continue to be critical you very likely will be sitting at home every summer in the future with no Studebaker National meet to attend. Doesn't sound good, does it? How does it feel to no longer have the York swap meet? These are the same folks that lead that event by dedicating many of their personal hours throughout the year so that we have can have a nice getaway weekend once a year.

I realize the sacrifice that these volunteers have made and I am grateful for all of those that devote their time to allow us to convene and enjoy the marquee.

For those that don't understand or disagree with the above, call your regional and zone managers today to step up and take over the duties and responsibilities. I will continue to show up at the events that you organize as well.

Hallabutt
03-18-2018, 02:13 PM
But I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.
The SW Zone Meet is in October~ http://www.studebakerdriversclub.com/eventszone.asp

Mike I realize that this year the meet is in October, and I do hope that it is an ongoing change. Up until this year almost all of the SWZ meets have been held in the later part of May.

Avantidon
03-18-2018, 07:40 PM
Lugamatic, if you don't like what we do at the National level join the club and run for office and then you can take in the responsibilities that we the volunteers do for the same rare of pay we get.

Chris, I am one of the first on a national level who pops up on an internet search for SDC officers. Recently I received a call from a non member who wanted to give his Dad a birthday present so we found a P/U for him and I helped him put the deal together and get it delivered to his Dad without him knowing about it. I love to interact with both SDC and non SDC members and that's my role and I willingly spend many hours working for this organization all without any compensation. It is a very rewarding experience and I enjoy every minute even the less than pleasant moments of it.

StudeDave57
03-18-2018, 08:30 PM
Mike I realize that this year the meet is in October, and I do hope that it is an ongoing change.
Up until this year almost all of the SWZ meets have been held in the later part of May.
Mike? Mike who?

I am Dave.
The trouble maker.
:ohmy: :yeahright: :whome:


As for when SW Zone Meets are/or have been held- I've been to a few more than a few.
I am fairly sure May is not the standard. Late Summer usually is.

But just to be sure-
I can/will check my meet plaques, trophies, and past issues of TW tomorrow to refresh my memory... ;)





StudeDave '57 :cool:

Chris Pile
03-18-2018, 08:30 PM
Thank you, Don! Just this weekend at the Sunflower Swap Meet in Wichita I helped two Ford guys from Nebraska chase down one of those Ford crew cab pickups with 3 doors on each side. No one else would help them, so I did. It can't help but paint the Studebaker Drivers Club in anything but a better light.

Hallabutt
03-19-2018, 02:05 AM
Sorry Dave I really do know the difference. Just getting old!-Bill

lugamatic
03-19-2018, 06:36 AM
Don pm sent

studeguy54
03-20-2018, 12:51 PM
tsenecal,

Thank you for your comments. We DO care deeply about the image of SDC and try our best to promote a good meet. Look for me in Tacoma, and say "HI". I'll be everywhere during the meet, helping fill-in to help make this a great meet.

studeguy54
03-20-2018, 12:58 PM
Jeffrey,

Thank you for your comments. Yes, we are ALL growing older, and that's why the waste and lost days was taken out of the International Meet starting in South Bend in 2017. Lost days waiting for judging scores to be compiled cost us a day. That is gone. So is Fun Night, which, frankly wasn't fun to do. If we want to be honest, we ALL spent a lot less money to be in South Bend last year. Yeah, the weather was not perfect, but THAT we can deal with going forward with a different date. Your comments are appreciated.

Denny Foust


Ooops! Sorry, didn't mean to step on toes. Appreciate the effort ya'll put into these meets. Not sure a lot of people would want to come here and watch corn grow. Many of us are getting on in years and are not real flush in our golden years so spending several thousand dollars on a national meet can be prohibitive. Still think the Casino meet in Redwing was on of my favorite and the casino apparantly did a lot of the organizing.

studeguy54
03-20-2018, 01:03 PM
Joe,

Come and enjoy the meet. Your time on the Interstate will be limited, and your time with Studebaker friends and associates is always personally rewarding. We look forward to having you there!

Denny Foust

studeguy54
03-20-2018, 01:19 PM
Chris,

I'm not an officer, but I am readily available to talk with anyone, anytime in reasonable terms concerning International Meets. My email address recently and is studeguy54@gmail.com (studeguy54@gmail.com). Can't speak for any others, but I know how many long hours our officers spend on club business. I'm in almost-daily contact with our officers, and, frankly, they deserve a break at the end of the day too. I've never waited to get an answer from any of our officers. Feel free to address your complaint on people who won't call you back at the email address above, and I will ask them about it. I'm certainly not experiencing what you say you see>

Denny Foust
SDC International Meet Committee

OK, we've discussed this problem very well. Let's go to another more specific problem.... Club officers at the local, state, and national level who will not allow their phone numbers and email addresses to be published in SDC specific websites and publications. If you don't want the position - don't take the job! I literally field phone calls from all over the country (not just SDC members), from people who are desperately looking for answers to their questions, and NO ONE will talk to them. I've had members of Buick and Chevy clubs thank me for at least answering the phone or an email. It's nuts. I don't want to name names, but at a recent nearby national meet, the co-chairs would pass the buck - "call the other guy". I (and my chapter members) could have played tennis with these two!!!! It really gripes me, folks. If you won't make yourself available to support your club and your hobby - GET OUT.

studeguy54
03-20-2018, 01:26 PM
studefan,

Thank you for your well-constructed comments. If only our critics would read and understand how many hours we, at the national level, spend to make this club successful, it would be great. Our Regional and Zone Managers ARE there to take your questions. Oh, and thank the people who contribute to the club, Like Fred Fox and others. Your support is welcome.

Denny Foust


Post #13 sums it up nicely. These aren't paid individuals. They are volunteers who are the folks truly responsible for keeping the club alive. Over complaining, discouraging them as opposed to showing your appreciation, will end in an earlier demise of this club.

It's guys like studeguy54 that allow you and me to enjoy attending these meets. Suck it up, be understanding, offer beneficial suggestions, not criticism, offer to help and volunteer yourself instead of complaining about what people are doing for you for free.

If you continue to be critical you very likely will be sitting at home every summer in the future with no Studebaker National meet to attend. Doesn't sound good, does it? How does it feel to no longer have the York swap meet? These are the same folks that lead that event by dedicating many of their personal hours throughout the year so that we have can have a nice getaway weekend once a year.

I realize the sacrifice that these volunteers have made and I am grateful for all of those that devote their time to allow us to convene and enjoy the marquee.

For those that don't understand or disagree with the above, call your regional and zone managers today to step up and take over the duties and responsibilities. I will continue to show up at the events that you organize as well.