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bumpkinvilledano
01-30-2018, 01:55 AM
On Atlanta Craigslist, car is located outside Gadsden Alabama.

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/d/1963-studebaker-avanti-r2/6460745079.html

Ron Dame
01-30-2018, 06:28 AM
Painted front bumper and chrome rear. Why? Other than power windows, it's a clone of mine

avanti-hawk
01-30-2018, 06:39 AM
Painted front bumper and chrome rear. Why? Other than power windows, it's a clone of mine Likely rusty front bumper, much cheaper to paint!

TWChamp
01-30-2018, 09:53 AM
Likely rusty front bumper, much cheaper to paint!

That's what I figured also, but when you're selling a car for that much money, let's do it right.

PackardV8
01-30-2018, 11:10 AM
But this R2 is "Capable of 170 MPH. "

jack vines

WCP
01-31-2018, 01:13 PM
Early serial number with a #259 body and replaced later front panel (sq. headlight bezels, but early hood cross brace). Nice looking exterior but "wild" interior colour.

bumpkinvilledano
01-31-2018, 04:46 PM
"wild" interior colour.

I was thinking the same. I would need sunglasses, even on a cloudy day.

StudeRich
01-31-2018, 07:10 PM
It appears to be a "Deluxe" Interior reproduction not a pleated "Regal", with a Tangerine Console replacement cover or sprayed.

JRoberts
01-31-2018, 08:13 PM
I really do not know much about the value of Avantis, but is the price too far off? I know there must be some issue regarding the painted front bumper and the not quite original interior color, but being a true R2 I would have thought 20k wasn't too far off the mark.

Dwight FitzSimons
02-02-2018, 08:51 AM
A couple comments: (1) The speedometer is a 140 MPH unit, used only on R1s. R2s used a 160 MPH speedo. So, the car may have originally been an R1 car. (2) The radio appears to be an AM one, not AM/FM. AM/FM radios weren't available until the 1964 model year. (3) The front panel must have been replaced with a '64 one. Every thing else forward of the windshield looks to be correct for a '63 (3EEE battery, etc.). (4) The exterior color looks too white to be the original Avanti White. (5) The orange interior color looks correct to me. The console is supposed to be orange. The owner should be banned from ever using ArmorAll again, though.
-Dwight FitzSimons

WCP
02-02-2018, 07:49 PM
The 140 mph speedometer is correct for an early R2 Avanti, as indicated by the body number.

Dwight FitzSimons
02-03-2018, 10:17 AM
Hi WCP,
I have looked through the 1963-64 Avanti Authenticity Manual and can't find any mention of the early Avanti R2s using a 140-mph speedo. On page F-200 the authors state: "It is obvious that this is an R1 car by the 140-mph speedometer as compared with the R2's 160-mph unit." Basile & Prince have done a seemingly thorough job of documenting all the little details, as is needed in an authenticity manual. What is your source for stating that early R2 Avantis used a 140-mph speedometer? We'll need to pass this info onto the authors, but we must have one or two sources.
-Dwight FitzSimons

Bob Langer
02-03-2018, 11:21 AM
Hi WCP,
I have looked through the 1963-64 Avanti Authenticity Manual and can't find any mention of the early Avanti R2s using a 140-mph speedo. On page F-200 the authors state: "It is obvious that this is an R1 car by the 140-mph speedometer as compared with the R2's 160-mph unit." Basile & Prince have done a seemingly thorough job of documenting all the little details, as is needed in an authenticity manual. What is your source for stating that early R2 Avantis used a 140-mph speedometer? We'll need to pass this info onto the authors, but we must have one or two sources.
-Dwight FitzSimons

WCP is correct. Here are two examples, scroll down to instrument panel.

http://studebaker-info.org/AVDB1/R1000/63R1002/63R1002.html

http://studebaker-info.org/AVDB1/R1000/63R1004/63R1004x0512.html

WCP
02-03-2018, 12:18 PM
Dwight, you need to reference the early Avanti parts book, dated July '62, where the 140 mph speedo is the only one listed for all Avanti models. The 160 mph speedo didn't appear 'til the Dec. '63 issue.
The earlier parts book should be a 1st reference for a "authenticity guide".

Dwight FitzSimons
02-03-2018, 03:20 PM
Great! I learn something new every day. Now who's going to email Al Basile? I don't want to take credit for this research, but I can type & will write it up if y'all want. I emailed him a few days ago with a correction/addition to page B-43 on casting date codes and he said he is currently working on an addendum to the Avanti Authenticity Manual.
-Dwight

WCP
02-04-2018, 08:25 AM
It's interesting to note that the pictures of R1004 in the link of post #13, shows the power steering hoses routed forward of the regulator, rather than the correct routing behind the regulator, wrapping around the left fewer apron below the regulator wire connectors.
Regarding the speedometer, my last Avanti, an R2 with body #404 and a 140 mph speedo, had a build completion date of mid-Sept.'62. On previous forum queries, there have been no responses as to when the 140 to 160 change was made. My guess is that it occurred shortly after the Bonneville salt flat speed runs.