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T.J. lavallee
01-01-2018, 09:08 PM
I've often wondered why some 59' and 60' Larks have white plastic switch knobs? [heater, windshield wiper, ect.] I assume the chrome ones were used on the up-scale Regal models but I've learned to never assume anything. :o

StudeRich
01-01-2018, 09:57 PM
Yes '59 Lark Deluxe's had Black Knobs, '60 Deluxe's Had White Knobs, and both '59 & '60 Regals had the '57-'58 Packard Chrome Knobs.

The '59 Black Knobs were carried over to all Champ Trucks, as were the '59 Lark Parking Light Housings, but used ONLY on '61 to '64 Champs.

See how much nicer the '59 Regal Interior looks than the rather austere looking Deluxes.

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bjackameit
01-01-2018, 09:58 PM
Both my 1959 Lark Regal Hardtop and my 1960 Lark Regal 4-Door Sedan had the chrome knobs. My understanding is that lower trim models had the white plastic knobs. Interestingly, I have seen 1959 and 1960 Larks with radios that had the white plastic knobs and with radios that had the chrome knobs -- not necessarily matching the other dash knobs on a particular car. Could be the result of dealer installed radios which was often the case with Studebaker.

StudeRich
01-01-2018, 10:11 PM
The MOST common place of a Radio Installation was always the Dealer. And if you had left over '59 Radios in the Parts Dept. and you were a smart Parts Dept. Manager, you always sold the Oldest on the shelf first to get rid of it.

Most customers would never notice, and if they did you could easily order the correct knobs from your Local Warehouse or South Bend.

TWChamp
01-01-2018, 11:13 PM
I sure would have paid the few extra bucks for the Regal interior.

1oldtimer
01-02-2018, 01:07 AM
My '60 regal wagon has chrome dash knobs, the radio has white knobs and white push buttons.

bjackameit
01-02-2018, 08:55 AM
The MOST common place of a Radio Installation was always the Dealer.

That sounds about right based on personal experience -- both the 1964 Challenger Wagonaire and the 1964 Daytona Sedan that I currently own came from the factory without radios. The Wagonaire has an AC 3473 manual tune radio added by the selling dealer and I added an AC-3473 to the Daytona. The 1959 Lark Regal Hardtop that I owned back in the mid-1960's as a "regular" car came without a radio. I added an aftermarket Motorola unit to that one. Nice radio I always thought the face plate Motorola provided for the 1959 and 1960 Lark was better looking than the factory face plate. The 1960 Lark I owned in the 1980's had a dealer installed radio with white knobs. All three of my Hawks came from the factory with push-button radios -- maybe a reflection of them being more expensive upmarket cars. My Champ pickup and 1949 Champion Starlight Coupe came without radios and that is how I kept them. My favorite radio delete plates are the ones on the older cars that had "R A D I O" on fake push buttons which i always felt was the company saying "you were too cheap to buy the radio."

qsanford
01-02-2018, 09:32 AM
I have seen many radios with white knobs (and push buttons) in 1961 Hawks. I always thought the '61s used black knobs. Maybe, as stated previously, the Dealers were using up their "Old Stock" 1960 radios first.

RadioRoy
01-04-2018, 07:09 PM
I have seen many radios with white knobs (and push buttons) in 1961 Hawks. I always thought the '61s used black knobs. Maybe, as stated previously, the Dealers were using up their "Old Stock" 1960 radios. first

That is my thinking as well.

Bill Pressler
01-06-2018, 05:07 PM
My '66 Cruiser had no radio on the production order, but has the correct '66 Stude AM radio installed, with black knobs. Probably in the five months it sat in dealer inventory, someone there figured a radio might help move it. :)

StudeRich
01-06-2018, 05:22 PM
Rather than install Accessories BEFORE the Sale to "Dress them up" to sell, other than the easy install and removal items: Whitewalls and or Wheel Covers, the: Radios, Antennas, Climitizers, Air Conditioning, Bumper Guards, Mirrors, Clocks etc. were usually left for the Customer to personalize the Car to His or Her Taste and Budget, AFTER the Sale.
With Studebaker buyers, the "Budget" was a Big part of the choices.

Otherwise you end up with too much R & R Labor and damaged/used looking pre-installed Parts.

Bill Pressler
01-06-2018, 05:34 PM
Unscientifically to me, seems like more '60's Studes were sold without radios than other makes.

My Cruiser was built with wire wheelcovers, but no PS, PB, or radio. :)

studegary
01-06-2018, 07:38 PM
Unscientifically to me, seems like more '60's Studes were sold without radios than other makes.

My Cruiser was built with wire wheelcovers, but no PS, PB, or radio. :)

Sort of like my Golden Hawk that was built with power windows and power seat, but no PS or PB.

Jessie J.
01-06-2018, 08:24 PM
I recall overhearing in family conversations in the '50s that many if not most of my elders simply did not trust Power Steering or Power Brakes as being dependable or safe. I believe their perception was that when Power steering failed they would not be able to steer, and when Power brakes failed they would not be able to stop. Power windows and seats, not being critical to control of the vehicle were not viewed as being so dangerous.
Got to remember, at that time, older conservative American car buyers had little actual experience with these newfangled power options and little incentive to trust their lives to them. Contemporary 'Hot rodders' and performance minded buyers viewed such as being 'sissified' and so much dead weight to be discarded.
Tri-5 owners tossed their PS & PB options in the trash pile by the thousands.

If it had not been for the auto companies making them 'standard equipment' on their luxury lines it would have taken much longer for the public to concede to accept PS & PB. And even then there were quite a few buyers who insisted their new Cadillac or Chrysler be fitted with non-power steering and brakes as a condition of the making the sale. Most State Police vehicles were ordered power delete for decades.
Buddy used to drive a big old '69 C-Body 440 powered ex-State Police car. No Power steering, and only god knows how many turns lock to lock.
One of my '64 Daytona's was factory equipped with PS, long since removed, and I have never missed it, just
less trouble prone useless junk to work around.


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(S)
01-07-2018, 12:18 AM
Stuerich probably nailed it. A dealer could get more money 'installing' and 'marking up' extra items. I know they did this at the Ford place I worked at. in the 2000's

I have owned and driven 2 Hawks that had the power steering pumps removed. My current Hawk I just love how it handles without the pump. I assume eventually I'll need to look into it before the ram seizes up but I love how it steers and drives. Any thoughts on this? as the thread drifts........ I plan to start a new thread

raoul5788
01-08-2018, 11:31 AM
Unscientifically to me, seems like more '60's Studes were sold without radios than other makes.

My Cruiser was built with wire wheelcovers, but no PS, PB, or radio. :)

A Cruiser w/o a radio seems unusual since they were the top of the line sedan.

StudeRich
01-08-2018, 12:20 PM
That may be true Chip, but when all is said and done we are still back to the fact that PRICE was a a major selling or NOT factor with the Lower Prices of the competition, and someone with a small budget, or very conservative, would not start out with a Loaded Car and a Huge Monthly payment because of it!

And since Studebaker "aimed to please" they only added what "almost had to be there" on some models like Hawk & Avanti, like; Power Steering, Automatic Trans., in some areas Twin Traction, because Dealers would not do heavy, expensive mechanical work to install those, they just traded another Dealer for the "Right" Car.

Remember, quite a few top of the line Studebakers and even Packards came with NO Radio, no Power Windows, no Power Seat and almost never any A/C or side view Mirrors. :ohmy:

The term "Came with" should actually mean: "Standard Equipment" but not everyone interprets it that way, they mean it was was ordered and "Built" that way.
All Cars had "Standard Equipment" AND "Optional Equipment", big difference.

On a '62-'64 Cruiser you got things "Standard" like: Cigar Lighter, Glove Box Light, Back up Lights, 289 Engine, Finned Drums, Model 44 Rear Axle, Vanity, 2 Sun Visors, 4 Arm Rests, fold down rear Arm Rest, Opening rear Vent windows, Deluxe Steering Wheel, Carpeting, '62 & '63's had 4 Bumper Corner Guards.

63t-cab
01-08-2018, 03:46 PM
Rich, what would Your guess be ? I'd guess those Cruisers had the Bumper Wing Guards purely for LOOKS and nothing else. after all why would Cruisers need more protection than a Lark or other lesser Model.


That may be true Chip, but when all is said and done we are still back to the fact that PRICE was a a major selling or NOT factor with the Lower Prices of the competition, and someone with a small budget, or very conservative, would not start out with a Loaded Car and a Huge Monthly payment because of it!

And since Studebaker "aimed to please" they only added what "almost had to be there" on some models like Hawk & Avanti, like; Power Steering, Automatic Trans., in some areas Twin Traction, because Dealers would not do heavy, expensive mechanical work to install those, they just traded another Dealer for the "Right" Car.

Remember, quite a few top of the line Studebakers and even Packards came with NO Radio, no Power Windows, no Power Seat and almost never any A/C or side view Mirrors. :ohmy:

The term "Came with" should actually mean: "Standard Equipment" but not everyone interprets it that way, they mean it was was ordered and "Built" that way.
All Cars had "Standard Equipment" AND "Optional Equipment", big difference.

On a '62-'64 Cruiser you got things "Standard" like: Cigar Lighter, Glove Box Light, Back up Lights, 289 Engine, Finned Drums, Model 44 Rear Axle, Vanity, 2 Sun Visors, 4 Arm Rests, fold down rear Arm Rest, Opening rear Vent windows, Deluxe Steering Wheel, Carpeting, '62 & '63's had 4 Bumper Corner Guards.

StudeRich
01-08-2018, 03:58 PM
Clearly to Dress up the top of the line Daytonas and Cruisers these were Standard, and maybe to create the illusion of more protection! :rolleyes:

They were Optional on all '62-'63 Larks, I am sure not a lot were sold as add-ons because they require a different Bumper with square holes cut into them to mount.

I could see it happening more on crash replacements, when those flimsy bumpers were crushed with light impact.

Studebaker liked those extensions so much, they incorporated them into the '64 to '66 Lark Type Bumpers!