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Bengt53
12-31-2017, 09:50 AM
Does anyone of you fellow Studebaker experts know the history of this 1950 R10 "panel van" that is for sale in Netherlands at https://www.erclassics.com/studebaker-r10-1950-s2291/? As far as I know Studebaker never produced a regular panel van or panel delivery in the fourties or fifties. The seller has no historic information on the truck other than it has been owned by people in The Netherlands and Belgium.
The D´leteren company in Belgium used to assemble Studebaker cars (CKD) in the fifties so it might be a D´leteren-truck or at least a chassie from them. There is a metal sign on body from Carosserrie Roland in Tournai (a city in Belgium). I have found traces on the internet that there has been a body shop i Tournai with the name Carosserie Roland, so probably the van body was built there. But is this well designed panel van a one of a kind, or did they make more of them? Does anyone have more history to tell about this van and Carossiere Roland?
Bengt

Skip Lackie
12-31-2017, 04:13 PM
It was almost certainly not built by Studebaker itself, and was probably caused to be built by D´leteren. I have seen pictures of other trucks sold by them, and they had wide contacts with truck/custom body builders. Many, like this one, were very attractive. As you probably know, you can purchase a copy of the original production order from the Studebaker Museum. It will probably show that it was ordered as an "A1" assembly, which had no body behind the cowl.

Bengt53
01-01-2018, 02:03 PM
I guess you are right about the truck being sold as an "A1". Do you happen to have any pictures of such D´leteren trucks that you can show, or do you know where such pictures can be found?

rockne10
01-01-2018, 04:32 PM
The production order will no doubt indicate it was shipped to Belgium as a knocked down bare chassis with no body (the grill, hood, cowl and windshield are considered part of the chassis).
I'm sure some Studebaker owners in the Netherlands, Sweden or France might be quite familiar with the builder.
Are you a member there, or tried contacting any of them?

http://www.spcn.nl/
http://www.studebakerklubben.se/
amicalestudebaker@cegetel.net

Skip Lackie
01-01-2018, 05:00 PM
I guess you are right about the truck being sold as an "A1". Do you happen to have any pictures of such D´leteren trucks that you can show, or do you know where such pictures can be found?

I don't have any such pictures, but remember that there were several articles in Turning Wheels about 10 years ago that described the various vehicles sold and modified by D'Ieteren. Maybe someone else can provide a reference to those issues.

JRoberts
01-01-2018, 06:04 PM
That is a great looking truck! The panel part of the truck reminds me of the wagon part of a Volvo 544 station wagon.

studegary
01-01-2018, 08:34 PM
That is a great looking truck! The panel part of the truck reminds me of the wagon part of a Volvo 544 station wagon.

Wouldn't that be a 445 or 545? I am working from memory, as usual, on this.

EDIT: I think that the later wagon version would be a P210 and not the logical 545 (to follow the 445).
There was a big difference in the wagon versions of the PV444 and PV544. The sedans were unit body and the wagons weren't.

8E45E
01-01-2018, 10:04 PM
Wouldn't that be a 445 or 545? I am working from memory, as usual, on this.

EDIT: I think that the later wagon version would be a P210 and not the logical 545 (to follow the 445).
There was a big difference in the wagon versions of the PV444 and PV544. The sedans were unit body and the wagons weren't.

I posted a photo of one in this thread here: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?96816-Avanti-Fans-Who-thought-of-the-reverse-opening-hood&highlight=Duett

Craig

packard352
01-02-2018, 07:30 AM
To those that might be interested in getting closer to the research angle, the D´Leteren Company in Belgium is operating, I believe... so it might be possible to email them a question directly. However, the company is much changed from its founding

http://www.dieteren.com/

But, there might be a knowledge person in the PR dept. that would be interested in shedding some light on this vehicle...

Noxnabaker
01-02-2018, 11:07 AM
Hej Bengt!
Prøva "Studebaker-Packard Club Netherland", de borde funka, & Paul Dames e åxå en trevlig man.

christophe
01-02-2018, 11:43 AM
If you want to check with D'Ieteren's, contact Mrs Rommelaere: catherine.rommelaere@dieteren.be
She's very helpful and will provide you any information they got. And for free! You just have to give her the serial number of the van.
It really is a very nice vehicle.
Happy new year everyone.

migral23
01-02-2018, 01:24 PM
This would indeed be a super-cool vehicle to see/own here in the USA, even though the 25,000 Euro price is pretty steep....plus having it safely transported to the USA !
The current dealer's website, though, lists many other classic cars for sale, and they are uniformly pricey. Cases in point: two 1964/5 Mustang convertibles, each at 55,000 Euros !!!

Bengt53
01-02-2018, 01:38 PM
Hej Bengt!
Prøva "Studebaker-Packard Club Netherland", de borde funka, & Paul Dames e åxå en trevlig man.

Hi Nox, we have been in contact with Paul. He had no information about the van, but sent a picture of a couple 1950 Studebaker ambulances that where built by an (unknown) Dutch body shop.

Bengt53
01-02-2018, 01:52 PM
If you want to check with D'Ieteren's, contact Mrs Rommelaere: catherine.rommelaere@dieteren.be
She's very helpful and will provide you any information they got. And for free! You just have to give her the serial number of the van.
It really is a very nice vehicle.
Happy new year everyone.

Great tips Christophe!
Happy new year

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If you want to check with D'Ieteren's, contact Mrs Rommelaere: catherine.rommelaere@dieteren.be
She's very helpful and will provide you any information they got. And for free! You just have to give her the serial number of the van.
It really is a very nice vehicle.
Happy new year everyone.

Great tips Christophe!
Happy new year

Noxnabaker
01-02-2018, 02:12 PM
Okidoki Bengt, I don't think the rear wheel arches was as nice on the Dutch built ones thou.
(By the way, it's a pity that Swedish Studebaker owners don't have more kids in school, then the big meet wouldn't be when it's still schooldays...)

DougHolverson
01-02-2018, 02:40 PM
Too bad Studebaker didn't produce or contract out to make something this cool for the US back in the day. I'm thinking about how those old Ford and Chevy panels are popular and desirable with the Hot Rodders.

StudeRich
01-02-2018, 03:07 PM
Interesting how the near "R" Series looks taller, more H.D. like a 3/4 Ton and the far one looks puny like a 1/2 Ton!

http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=69466&d=1514921865

Noxnabaker
01-02-2018, 03:21 PM
I agree Christophe, I've always had a soft spot for the 60's chevy apache suburban & panel vans, imagen a Champ panel van...
:)

Skip Lackie
01-02-2018, 03:36 PM
From 1951 to 1957, Studebaker built several thousand 4WD, RHD, V8 trucks for the Indian military, and exported several thousand more trucks for civilian customers in India. Some of them still exist, and some had van bodies added locally. From Stude Truck Talk:

https://imgur.com/a/bWG8q

Bengt53
01-03-2018, 03:52 PM
From 1951 to 1957, Studebaker built several thousand 4WD, RHD, V8 trucks for the Indian military, and exported several thousand more trucks for civilian customers in India. Some of them still exist, and some had van bodies added locally. From Stude Truck Talk:

https://imgur.com/a/bWG8q

Really nice vans! It´s a pity Studebaker didn´t produce such vans, and vans like the R10 we discuss.

StudeRich
01-03-2018, 04:07 PM
WOW! They look like 4 Door Suburbans that did not exist at the time! ...COOL! :!:

8E45E
01-03-2018, 05:06 PM
WOW! They look like 4 Door Suburbans that did not exist at the time! ...COOL! :!:

How about this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?94353-Studebaker-Woodies&highlight=woody

Craig

Bengt53
01-04-2018, 03:28 PM
How about this one: http://forum.studebakerdriversclub.com/showthread.php?94353-Studebaker-Woodies&highlight=woody

Craig

Beautiful woody, made in Holland. Studebaker should have offered woodies!
Here is another nice (1941?) M5 Studebaker with european connection, a panel van in Oslo. It´s a screenshot from the film Gatelangs ("along the streets") from 1951 made by the police to instruct the citizens on how to behave in the traffic. You can see the film at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StT6ZRwrjxE. The Studebaker appears at 8 minutes sharp. You must see the film, it´s beautiful exposé of cars and city life. Does any of our Norweigan friends know anything about this panel van, or coach built Studebakers in Norway?