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JDP
01-26-2008, 12:28 PM
Jeff and I set up a tent to soda blast his R2 Lark. it works like a dream, a lot less messy then sand, and less aggressive..

http://stude.com/soda.jpg
http://stude.com/soda1.jpg

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 02:23 PM
:) Well, John; the way the internet works and the fact that you now have this large photograph in circulation with the words BLAST TENT so prominently displayed, I'd be on the lookout for some black helicopters with large searchlights hovering overhead around 2AM! :D BP

BobPalma
01-26-2008, 02:23 PM
:) Well, John; the way the internet works and the fact that you now have this large photograph in circulation with the words BLAST TENT so prominently displayed, I'd be on the lookout for some black helicopters with large searchlights hovering overhead around 2AM! :D BP

Frank Starr
01-26-2008, 03:52 PM
What size air compressor do you have, John?


what about eye protection?

Frank Starr

Frank Starr
01-26-2008, 03:52 PM
What size air compressor do you have, John?


what about eye protection?

Frank Starr

JDP
01-26-2008, 04:09 PM
It works on as little as 7 CFM, mine is 21 and unlike the sand blaster, the compressor keeps up. The baking soda is not a salt as far as I know and at 80 PSI it you don't seem to need eye protection other then the glasses. Nothing blows back, you can't even feel it on your bare hands.
It will not remove rust or putty though, it's very gentle, barely polishes stainless, and harmless on glass.
We did switch to a real painting style mask after the pictures. We put a tarp floor down in the tent and recycled the soda after filtering.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-26-2008, 04:09 PM
It works on as little as 7 CFM, mine is 21 and unlike the sand blaster, the compressor keeps up. The baking soda is not a salt as far as I know and at 80 PSI it you don't seem to need eye protection other then the glasses. Nothing blows back, you can't even feel it on your bare hands.
It will not remove rust or putty though, it's very gentle, barely polishes stainless, and harmless on glass.
We did switch to a real painting style mask after the pictures. We put a tarp floor down in the tent and recycled the soda after filtering.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Frank Starr
01-26-2008, 05:36 PM
"It will not remove rust or putty though,"

So are you using it just for paint removal then?

Frank Starr
01-26-2008, 05:36 PM
"It will not remove rust or putty though,"

So are you using it just for paint removal then?

JDP
01-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Yes, we'll switch to the sand blaster for a few spots like the rust blisters on the rain gutters.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-26-2008, 05:44 PM
Yes, we'll switch to the sand blaster for a few spots like the rust blisters on the rain gutters.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

dictator27
01-26-2008, 05:47 PM
Just a normal sand blasting gun?

Terry

dictator27
01-26-2008, 05:47 PM
Just a normal sand blasting gun?

Terry

JDP
01-26-2008, 05:53 PM
Eastwood tools sells a conversion kit for $130 to work with your sand blaster and you can switch back quickly. HERE:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1408&itemType=CONTENT&path=32&KickerID=395&KICKER

JDP
01-26-2008, 05:53 PM
Eastwood tools sells a conversion kit for $130 to work with your sand blaster and you can switch back quickly. HERE:
http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1408&itemType=CONTENT&path=32&KickerID=395&KICKER

Chris Pile
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Who would have thought SALT can get rid of rust....... (keep it out of the car body itself)

MIKE


Soda is NOT salt.

Chris Pile
StudeFolk Manager
http://tiny.cc/RYqAK

Chris Pile
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
quote:Originally posted by hotwheels63r2

Who would have thought SALT can get rid of rust....... (keep it out of the car body itself)

MIKE


Soda is NOT salt.

Chris Pile
StudeFolk Manager
http://tiny.cc/RYqAK

gordr
01-27-2008, 04:15 AM
Well, from a chemist's standpoint, soda is A salt, but it's certainly not "salt" in the everyday sense. Sodium bicarbonate versus sodium chloride, with the latter being more corrosive.

I guess the nice thing about soda as a blasting abrasive, is that it is quite gentle, and, being water soluble, you can wash away any residue. I know from personal experience that it's darn hard to get rid off all the sand when sandblasting.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

gordr
01-27-2008, 04:15 AM
Well, from a chemist's standpoint, soda is A salt, but it's certainly not "salt" in the everyday sense. Sodium bicarbonate versus sodium chloride, with the latter being more corrosive.

I guess the nice thing about soda as a blasting abrasive, is that it is quite gentle, and, being water soluble, you can wash away any residue. I know from personal experience that it's darn hard to get rid off all the sand when sandblasting.

Gord Richmond, within Weasel range of the Alberta Badlands

Kdancy
01-27-2008, 07:21 AM
I have had the "tent" set up for regular sand blasting for years. I re-cycled the sand up to three times, by that time it is pretty well shot.

Kdancy
01-27-2008, 07:21 AM
I have had the "tent" set up for regular sand blasting for years. I re-cycled the sand up to three times, by that time it is pretty well shot.

JDP
01-27-2008, 07:40 AM
Question for you body shop experts. Do we just wipe the bare metal down with the phosphoric acid solution, rinse and wipe dry, before priming or what ?

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-27-2008, 07:40 AM
Question for you body shop experts. Do we just wipe the bare metal down with the phosphoric acid solution, rinse and wipe dry, before priming or what ?

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

Kdancy
01-27-2008, 08:01 AM
Expert?? If you are sure all the rust is off, even "flash" rust, just clean off with thinner and spray with epoxy primer. If not positive about the rust, phosphoric acid solution or (I use Picklex 20) http://autobodystore.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8618&highlight=Picklex and here is another thread
http://autobodystore.com/forum/search.php?searchid=126597
Here is Florida, metal will get flash rust in a matter of hours.

Kdancy
01-27-2008, 08:01 AM
Expert?? If you are sure all the rust is off, even "flash" rust, just clean off with thinner and spray with epoxy primer. If not positive about the rust, phosphoric acid solution or (I use Picklex 20) http://autobodystore.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8618&highlight=Picklex and here is another thread
http://autobodystore.com/forum/search.php?searchid=126597
Here is Florida, metal will get flash rust in a matter of hours.

JDP
01-27-2008, 08:06 AM
Thanks Kerry. The soda residue keeps the metal from flash rusting for a week or two, but we'll need to remove it all before priming, that's why I thought the acid and water rinse might work better. I'll do so reaching on the net too.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-27-2008, 08:06 AM
Thanks Kerry. The soda residue keeps the metal from flash rusting for a week or two, but we'll need to remove it all before priming, that's why I thought the acid and water rinse might work better. I'll do so reaching on the net too.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

58PackardWagon
01-27-2008, 08:49 AM
We just got our R2 Lark blasted. They used some of the same thought process....they blasted it with plastic media first and then went after the seam sealer, undercoating and rust with a sand media. It looks outstanding. I wish I could figure out how to post pics on this site. Take care.

58 Packard Wgn (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wgn (Park Green)
58 Packard Sdn (Shadowtone Red)
62 Daytona (White)
63 R2 Lark (Super Red)

58PackardWagon
01-27-2008, 08:49 AM
We just got our R2 Lark blasted. They used some of the same thought process....they blasted it with plastic media first and then went after the seam sealer, undercoating and rust with a sand media. It looks outstanding. I wish I could figure out how to post pics on this site. Take care.

58 Packard Wgn (Parade Red)
58 Packard Wgn (Park Green)
58 Packard Sdn (Shadowtone Red)
62 Daytona (White)
63 R2 Lark (Super Red)

bonehead007
01-27-2008, 09:05 AM
John, did you blast a few pieces from the car or the whole car itself ?? Any more photos ??

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

bonehead007
01-27-2008, 09:05 AM
John, did you blast a few pieces from the car or the whole car itself ?? Any more photos ??

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

bams50
01-27-2008, 09:11 AM
John, I'd wipe it down with a little cheapo fast-dry enamel reducer and thoroughly wash with 3919s Prep-Sol, let completely dry, then epoxy primer.

Prep-Sol has been around forever, and is great for removing any traces of contaminants- oil from your hands, wax traces, tape glue, etc... and it's always fun working with something that smells like urine[xx(]:D

http://www.dupontrefinish.co.uk/portal/en?page=2.1.1_Product_Categories_and_Details&category=Auxiliaries&catid=51574957833280114101112115111108

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

bams50
01-27-2008, 09:11 AM
John, I'd wipe it down with a little cheapo fast-dry enamel reducer and thoroughly wash with 3919s Prep-Sol, let completely dry, then epoxy primer.

Prep-Sol has been around forever, and is great for removing any traces of contaminants- oil from your hands, wax traces, tape glue, etc... and it's always fun working with something that smells like urine[xx(]:D

http://www.dupontrefinish.co.uk/portal/en?page=2.1.1_Product_Categories_and_Details&category=Auxiliaries&catid=51574957833280114101112115111108

Robert (Bob) Andrews Owner- Studebakeracres- on the IoMT (Island of Misfit Toys!)
Parish, central NY 13131

MikeW
01-27-2008, 09:18 AM
When I had my Packard Hawk painted back in 2000 I had it soda blasted, fiberglass and all. Then it was wiped down with reducer allowed to dry and a coat of epoxy primer applied. Lets see that was about eight years ago and no problem with paint lifting etc. Looks about as good as the day it was painted.

Mike
www.packardhawk.com

MikeW
01-27-2008, 09:18 AM
When I had my Packard Hawk painted back in 2000 I had it soda blasted, fiberglass and all. Then it was wiped down with reducer allowed to dry and a coat of epoxy primer applied. Lets see that was about eight years ago and no problem with paint lifting etc. Looks about as good as the day it was painted.

Mike
www.packardhawk.com

JDP
01-27-2008, 02:22 PM
We're blasting the fenders, doors, hood and trunk off the car, and the shell after. I'll post more as we do it. Jeff only works one or two days a week.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-27-2008, 02:22 PM
We're blasting the fenders, doors, hood and trunk off the car, and the shell after. I'll post more as we do it. Jeff only works one or two days a week.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

skip
01-27-2008, 07:41 PM
where can you buy soda in such large quantities ?.

skip
01-27-2008, 07:41 PM
where can you buy soda in such large quantities ?.

JDP
01-27-2008, 07:56 PM
Jeff bought it from the local soda blasting guy in 50 pound bags. Info Here:

http://www.natriumsodablast.com/

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-27-2008, 07:56 PM
Jeff bought it from the local soda blasting guy in 50 pound bags. Info Here:

http://www.natriumsodablast.com/

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

oldcarfart
01-28-2008, 07:13 PM
media cost vs. sand?

oldcarfart
01-28-2008, 07:13 PM
media cost vs. sand?

JDP
01-28-2008, 07:22 PM
It's about $25 a 50 pound bag, takes about 5-6 bags to do a car.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-28-2008, 07:22 PM
It's about $25 a 50 pound bag, takes about 5-6 bags to do a car.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-28-2008, 07:31 PM
It's about $25 a 50 pound bag, takes about 5-6 bags to do a car.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

JDP
01-28-2008, 07:31 PM
It's about $25 a 50 pound bag, takes about 5-6 bags to do a car.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
51 Commander
39 Coupe express
39 Coupe express (rod)

bonehead007
02-19-2008, 07:45 AM
John, how is the soda blasting working out ??? I received mine from Eastwood & was going to try it on the Avanti trunk...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

bonehead007
02-19-2008, 07:45 AM
John, how is the soda blasting working out ??? I received mine from Eastwood & was going to try it on the Avanti trunk...

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q189/bonehead007/MVC-021F.jpg

New Jersey & Studes Perfect Together

JDP
02-19-2008, 08:02 AM
Jeff decided to switch to sand since he was not worried about glass, stainless or chrome and he had some rust to deal with. We may switch back and forth.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
39 Coupe express

JDP
02-19-2008, 08:02 AM
Jeff decided to switch to sand since he was not worried about glass, stainless or chrome and he had some rust to deal with. We may switch back and forth.

JDP/Maryland
63 R2 SuperHawk (Caesar)
spent to date $54664,75
64 R2 GT (Sid)
spent to date $62,839.60
63 Lark 2 door
57 wagon
39 Coupe express